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Re: CWD in Texas
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07/29/15 02:07 AM
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state of Texas euthanized 35 deer Tuesday at a breeding facility in Medina County http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/a...nch-6410354.php I kindly submit the following for your files... > The state of Texas euthanized 35 deer Tuesday at a breeding facility in Medina County so they can be tested for chronic wasting disease. WHY ONLY 35 DEER? this is insane. if they don’t slaughter and test every one of those deer for CWD, including the fawns, especially from the index herd, then it’s business as usually in Texas. no telling how much CWD has been trucked from one captive facility to another inside of Texas, from who knows where. besides that, TAHC has known since 2001 that CWD was waltzing across Texas from New Mexico, because I told them it was, not that it mattered. CWD was discovered in 2012 right where I had told them it was in 2001-2002. IF the state of Texas does not get serious real fast with CWD, and test all those deer, that 5 year plan is a ticking time bomb waiting to happen. Here are two examples of what waiting can look like with CWD ; http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2015/07/texas-kills-35-deer-at-medina-county.html I respectfully disagree 100%.
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Re: CWD in Texas
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07/29/15 02:27 AM
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I'm more concerned about Iran's nuclear capabilities... just saying
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Re: CWD in Texas
[Re: flounder]
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07/29/15 03:09 AM
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state of Texas euthanized 35 deer Tuesday at a breeding facility in Medina County http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/a...nch-6410354.php I kindly submit the following for your files... > The state of Texas euthanized 35 deer Tuesday at a breeding facility in Medina County so they can be tested for chronic wasting disease. WHY ONLY 35 DEER? this is insane. if they don’t slaughter and test every one of those deer for CWD, including the fawns, especially from the index herd, then it’s business as usually in Texas. no telling how much CWD has been trucked from one captive facility to another inside of Texas, from who knows where. besides that, TAHC has known since 2001 that CWD was waltzing across Texas from New Mexico, because I told them it was, not that it mattered. CWD was discovered in 2012 right where I had told them it was in 2001-2002. IF the state of Texas does not get serious real fast with CWD, and test all those deer, that 5 year plan is a ticking time bomb waiting to happen. Here are two examples of what waiting can look like with CWD ; http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2015/07/texas-kills-35-deer-at-medina-county.html They already new about the positive CWD in West Texas 3 yrs before they released it. Why have they not killed all the Mule Deer and Elk in that West Texas area already since it was a positive area for CWD? Has the lack of slaughter in West Texas increased the spread of CWD out there? Finding out how CWD got into Medina County is just as, if not more important than killing all the deer in those pens IMO. How many deer have died from CWD in Texas to date? You can kill every deer in those pens and still not find the source of how it got there. When it shows up in deep East Texas in a wild deer, what is your plan to stop that spread? Kill every deer in the state? The the lights will come on and someone will finally think about what is the source causing it to jump 100's of miles from one location to the next. Then why is it crossing over species to boot and start to look for the source. Killing all the deer does not stop the source from spreading it again.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: CWD in Texas
[Re: Frio County Hunts]
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07/29/15 03:28 AM
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If you took a deer that was infected, how do you identify? Seems I heard they would have mucus or drainage from nasal and anal . Any truth to that?
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Re: CWD in Texas
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07/29/15 08:54 PM
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state of Texas euthanized 35 deer Tuesday at a breeding facility in Medina County http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/a...nch-6410354.php I kindly submit the following for your files... > The state of Texas euthanized 35 deer Tuesday at a breeding facility in Medina County so they can be tested for chronic wasting disease. WHY ONLY 35 DEER? this is insane. if they don’t slaughter and test every one of those deer for CWD, including the fawns, especially from the index herd, then it’s business as usually in Texas. no telling how much CWD has been trucked from one captive facility to another inside of Texas, from who knows where. besides that, TAHC has known since 2001 that CWD was waltzing across Texas from New Mexico, because I told them it was, not that it mattered. CWD was discovered in 2012 right where I had told them it was in 2001-2002. IF the state of Texas does not get serious real fast with CWD, and test all those deer, that 5 year plan is a ticking time bomb waiting to happen. Here are two examples of what waiting can look like with CWD ; http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2015/07/texas-kills-35-deer-at-medina-county.html I respectfully disagree 100%. Thank goodness they didn't listen to you then or now Terry. If you really claim to want to solve this problem why don't you come up with a better answer than just killing all the deer? Why do we need a scientist to come up with that solution? That is a solution from someone who doesn't have a clue how to solve this problem.
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Re: CWD in Texas
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07/29/15 09:40 PM
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I feel a lot better about the situation knowing Flounder from Animal House is telling the state of Texas all about CWD.
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Re: CWD in Texas
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07/29/15 10:44 PM
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Gents, I'm a lurker who seldom posts. Please forgive me if I offend anyone.
Mr. flounder, if you are a scientist, why do you continue posting the same information? Seems to me if you were legit you'd be posting papers and studies you were directly involved with.
With that said, since you told TPWD when and where they would find CWD, what is...
1. The % of wild deer infected SINCE your initial findings? In the quarantined counties.
2. What is your solution to protect all Texans from CWD?
3. In areas where CWD led to the wholesale slaughter of white-tailed deer, Wisconsin for example, what has happened since then? CWD positives, deer repopulation densities, etc?
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Re: CWD in Texas
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07/29/15 11:17 PM
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flounder you are yelling fire in a crowded movie theatre. Just my opinion!
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Re: CWD in Texas
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07/30/15 02:29 AM
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The reason this guy is not being taken seriously is because there's just as much information out there about how CWD is really not that big of a deal, as there is that it's a deer version of Ebola. This guy posts links from a blog that he is the author of for crying out loud.
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Re: CWD in Texas
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07/30/15 02:34 AM
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flounder
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Gents, I'm a lurker who seldom posts. Please forgive me if I offend anyone. Mr. flounder, if you are a scientist, why do you continue posting the same information? Seems to me if you were legit you'd be posting papers and studies you were directly involved with. With that said, since you told TPWD when and where they would find CWD, what is... 1. The % of wild deer infected SINCE your initial findings? In the quarantined counties. 7 cases of cwd in that area. ... Wednesday, March 18, 2015 *** Chronic Wasting Disease CWD Confirmed Texas Trans Pecos March 18, 2015 http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2015/03/chronic-wasting-disease-cwd-confirmed.html Wednesday, March 25, 2015 Chronic Wasting Disease CWD Cases Confirmed In New Mexico 2013 and 2014 UPDATE 2015 http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2015/03/chronic-wasting-disease-cwd-cases.html 2001 - 2002 TEXAS OLD STATISTICS BELOW FOR PAST CWD TESTING; Subject: CWD testing in Texas Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 19:45:14 –0500 From: Kenneth Waldrup To: flounder@wt.net CC: mcoats@tahc.state.tx.us Dear Dr. Singletary, In Fiscal Year 2001, seven deer from Texas were tested by the National Veterinary Services Laboratory (NVSL) for CWD (5 fallow deer and 2 white-tailed deer). In Fiscal Year 2002, seven elk from Texas were tested at NVSL (no deer). During these two years, an additional six elk and one white-tailed deer were tested at the Texas Veterinary Medical Diagnostic Laboratory (TVMDL). In Fiscal Year 2002, four white-tailed deer (free-ranging clinical suspects) and at least eight other white-tailed deer have been tested at TVMDL. One elk has been tested at NVSL. All of these animals have been found negative for CWD. Dr. Jerry Cooke of the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department also has records of 601 clinically ill white-tailed deer which were necropsied at Texas A&M during the late 1960's and early 1970's, and no spongiform encepalopathies were noted. Thank you for your consideration. Ken Waldrup, DVM, PhD Texas Animal Health Commission ======================== TEXAS CWD STATUS Captive Cervids There have been no reported CWD infections of captive elk or deer in Texas. There is currently no mandatory surveillance program for susceptible cervids kept on game farms, although, there has been voluntary surveillance since 1999, which requires owners of participating herds to maintain an annual herd inventory and submit samples for all mortalities of animals over 16 months of age. snip... SO, i thought i would just see where these Ecoregions were, and just how the CWD testing was distributed. YOU would think that with the cluster of CWD bordering TEXAS at the WPMR in NM, you would have thought this would be where the major CWD testing samples were to have been taken? wrong! let's have a look at the sample testing. here is map of CWD in NM WPMR bordering TEXAS; NEW MEXICO 7 POSITIVE CWD WHITE SANDS MISSILE RANGE MAP http://www.wildlife.state.nm.us/conservation/disease/cwd/documents/cwdmap.pdf NEXT, let's have a look at the overall distribution of CWD in Free-Ranging Cervids and see where the CWD cluster in NM WSMR borders TEXAS; Current Distribution of Chronic Wasting Disease in Free-Ranging Cervids http://www.aphis.usda.gov/vs/nahps/cwd/cwd-distribution.html NOW, the MAP of the Exoregion where the samples were taken to test for CWD; CWD SURVEILLANCE SAMPLE SUBMISSIONS TEXAS http://www.tahc.state.tx.us/animal_health/diseases/cwd/CWD2003.gif Ecoregions of TEXAS http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/images/tx-eco95.gif IF you look at the area around the NM WSMR where the CWD cluster was and where it borders TEXAS, that ecoregion is called Trans Pecos region. Seems if my Geography and my Ciphering is correct ;-) that region only tested 55% of it's goal. THE most important area on the MAP and they only test some 96 samples, this in an area that has found some 7 positive animals? NOW if we look at the only other border where these deer from NM could cross the border into TEXAS, this area is called the High Plains ecoregion, and again, we find that the sampling for CWD was pathetic. HERE we find that only 9% of it's goal of CWD sampling was met, only 16 samples were tested from some 175 that were suppose to be sampled. AS i said before; > SADLY, they have not tested enough from the total population to > know if CWD is in Texas or not. BUT now, I will go one step further and state categorically that they are not trying to find it. just the opposite it seems, they are waiting for CWD to find them, as with BSE/TSE in cattle, and it will eventually... snip...end IBNC Tauopathy or TSE Prion disease, it appears, no one is sure Singeltary et al Posted by flounder on 03 Jul 2015 at 16:53 GMT http://www.plosone.org/annotation/listThread.action?root=86610 *** Singeltary reply ; Molecular, Biochemical and Genetic Characteristics of BSE in Canada Singeltary reply ; http://www.plosone.org/annotation/listThread.action;jsessionid=635CE9094E0EA15D5362B7D7B809448C?root=7143 31 Jan 2015 at 20:14 GMT *** Ruminant feed ban for cervids in the United States? *** 31 Jan 2015 at 20:14 GMT http://www.plosone.org/annotation/listThread.action?root=85351 2. What is your solution to protect all Texans from CWD? until the government takes tse prion disease seriously, and everything is tested before entering the public domain, you can't. friendly fire, pass it forward, iatrogenic CWD to human risk factor is real, i.e. surgical, dental, blood, tissue, etc. all iatrogenic CJD is sporadic CJD, until the iatrogenic event is discovered, documented, and put into the academic and public domain, which very seldom happens due to long incubation and trace back efforts. remember, *** These results would seem to suggest that CWD does indeed have zoonotic potential, at least as judged by the compatibility of CWD prions and their human PrPC target. Furthermore, extrapolation from this simple in vitro assay suggests that if zoonotic CWD occurred, it would most likely effect those of the PRNP codon 129-MM genotype and that the PrPres type would be similar to that found in the most common subtype of sCJD (MM1).*** https://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/prion/article/28124/?nocache=112223249 3. In areas where CWD led to the wholesale slaughter of white-tailed deer, Wisconsin for example, what has happened since then? CWD positives, deer repopulation densities, etc? Tuesday, July 14, 2015 *** TWO Escaped Captive Deer on the loose in Eau Claire County Wisconsin CWD postive farm Yellow ear tag http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2015/07/two-escaped-captive-deer-on-loose-in.html Wednesday, March 04, 2015 Disease sampling results provide current snapshot of CWD in Wisconsin finding 324 positive detections statewide in 2014 http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2015/03/disease-sampling-results-provide.html Tuesday, February 11, 2014 *** Wisconsin tracks 81 deer from game farm with CWD buck to seven other states http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2014/02/wisconsin-tracks-81-deer-from-game-farm.html Tuesday, October 07, 2014 *** Wisconsin white-tailed deer tested positive for CWD on a Richland County breeding farm, and a case of CWD has been discovered on a Marathon County hunting preserve http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2014/10/wisconsin-white-tailed-deer-tested.html Friday, April 04, 2014 *** Wisconsin State officials kept silent on CWD discovery at game farm *** http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2014/04/wisconsin-state-officials-kept-silent.html Tuesday, October 07, 2014 *** Wisconsin white-tailed deer tested positive for CWD on a Richland County breeding farm, and a case of CWD has been discovered on a Marathon County hunting preserve http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2014/10/wisconsin-white-tailed-deer-tested.html Wisconsin : 436 Deer Have Escaped From Farms to Wild Date: March 18, 2003 Source: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Hundreds of deer escape The DNR found a total of 671 deer that escaped farms - 436 of which were never found - because of storm-damaged fences, gates being left open or the animals jumping over or through fences. In one example in Kewaunee County, a deer farmer's fence was knocked down in a summer storm. Ten deer escaped, and the farmer told the DNR he had no intention of trying to reclaim them. The DNR found five of the deer, killed them and cited the farmer for violation of a regulation related to fencing. 24 farmers were unlicensed. One had been operating illegally since 1999 after he was denied a license because his deer fence did not meet minimum specifications. Records maintained by operators ranged from "meticulous documentation to relying on memory." At least 227 farms conducted various portions of their deer farm business with cash. Over the last three years, 1,222 deer died on farms for various reasons. Disease testing was not performed nor required on the majority of deer. Farmers reported doing business with people in 22 other states and one Canadian province. .. http://www.cwd-info.org/index.php/fuseaction/news.detail/ID/4eb67da18ca2c69fce5b5f2eaad058e8 CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD WISCONSIN Almond Deer (Buckhorn Flats) FarmUpdate DECEMBER 2011 *** The CWD infection rate was nearly 80%, the highest ever in a North American captive herd. RECOMMENDATION: That the Board approve the purchase of 80acres of land for $465,000 for the Statewide Wildlife Habitat Program inPortage County and approve the restrictions on public use of the site. SUMMARY: http://dnr.wi.gov/about/nrb/2011/december/12-11-2b2.pdf I never said anywhere I am a scientist, nor doctor, and never claimed to be so. the science speaks for itself. you can shoot the messenger, but it will not change the science. ... kind regards, terry kind regards, terry
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Re: CWD in Texas
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07/30/15 02:46 AM
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And you can slaughter all the deer in the state and still not find the source of the problem, that one source that brought into Central Texas across miles and miles of Texas.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: CWD in Texas
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07/30/15 10:55 PM
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So do they plan on killing the entire herd? Depends on how the tests come out.
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Re: CWD in Texas
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07/30/15 11:05 PM
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therancher
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state of Texas euthanized 35 deer Tuesday at a breeding facility in Medina County http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/a...nch-6410354.php I kindly submit the following for your files... > The state of Texas euthanized 35 deer Tuesday at a breeding facility in Medina County so they can be tested for chronic wasting disease. WHY ONLY 35 DEER? this is insane. if they don’t slaughter and test every one of those deer for CWD, including the fawns, especially from the index herd, then it’s business as usually in Texas. no telling how much CWD has been trucked from one captive facility to another inside of Texas, from who knows where. besides that, TAHC has known since 2001 that CWD was waltzing across Texas from New Mexico, because I told them it was, not that it mattered. CWD was discovered in 2012 right where I had told them it was in 2001-2002. IF the state of Texas does not get serious real fast with CWD, and test all those deer, that 5 year plan is a ticking time bomb waiting to happen. Here are two examples of what waiting can look like with CWD ; http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2015/07/texas-kills-35-deer-at-medina-county.html First, I don't think what "you told tpwd" holds a lot of water. Second, I'm willing to bet you that CWD hasn't "been trucked" from facility to facility in Texas. So before all the test results come in from the other ranches, why don't you and I have a little side bet. I'll do a mea culpa thread if you win, you do one if I win. The bet is no other ranches test positive.
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Re: CWD in Texas
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07/30/15 11:27 PM
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So do they plan on killing the entire herd? Depends on how the tests come out. Those test may very well bring the CWD doom and gloom to their knees.. Glad TAHC has sense.
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: CWD in Texas
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07/30/15 11:28 PM
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I have not gotten in to this discussion for one I am not versed enough in it be an expert as some seem to be and two I think TPWS screwed the pooch when the started the whole captive breeding permit system. And now they are actually considering it for Mule Deer. I have no faith in TPWS,TX A&M or anyone else doing post mortum test on animals and giving out expert opinions. I have sent and had Vets. send samples out to find either cause of death or illness for animals I have owned. Spent quite a bit of money doing so and the best answer I have gotten is it was the Bandera Goat Disease that they either died from or that they have. Not what caused it. Not how you prevent it. And not how you prevent others from getting it. Excuse me but i think all this is a bunch of BS. Humans die, animals die. Dead is dead and most of the time nobody knows why.
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Re: CWD in Texas
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07/30/15 11:36 PM
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state of Texas euthanized 35 deer Tuesday at a breeding facility in Medina County http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/a...nch-6410354.php I kindly submit the following for your files... > The state of Texas euthanized 35 deer Tuesday at a breeding facility in Medina County so they can be tested for chronic wasting disease. WHY ONLY 35 DEER? this is insane. if they don’t slaughter and test every one of those deer for CWD, including the fawns, especially from the index herd, then it’s business as usually in Texas. no telling how much CWD has been trucked from one captive facility to another inside of Texas, from who knows where. besides that, TAHC has known since 2001 that CWD was waltzing across Texas from New Mexico, because I told them it was, not that it mattered. CWD was discovered in 2012 right where I had told them it was in 2001-2002. IF the state of Texas does not get serious real fast with CWD, and test all those deer, that 5 year plan is a ticking time bomb waiting to happen. Here are two examples of what waiting can look like with CWD ; http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2015/07/texas-kills-35-deer-at-medina-county.html First, I don't think what "you told tpwd" holds a lot of water. Second, I'm willing to bet you that CWD hasn't "been trucked" from facility to facility in Texas. So before all the test results come in from the other ranches, why don't you and I have a little side bet. I'll do a mea culpa thread if you win, you do one if I win. The bet is no other ranches test positive. There have been over 55 deer tested (as of last Saturdays results in hand) on deer that were moved from the Medina County facilty and sold to other breeders. Those breeders took it on themselves to slaughter and do the test. No one of the deer tested positive for CWD. I think some might have even did the live test also
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Re: CWD in Texas
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stxrancman, it's obvious from documented cases and quarantined areas that CWD does not spread like wildfire. Otherwise, entire regions would have been wiped clean of deer, elk and moose. Probably bears, yotes and wolves, too. If I'm wrong please say so.
So how does CWD jump hundreds of miles between species and regions? Particularly when -0- animals from known areas in WTX are able to integrate with their brethren to the Far East?
Killing all cervids in immediate contact with an infected animal has proven ineffective. Repeatedly.
IMO, the source of CWD IN Texas has to be the single transient...feed.
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Re: CWD in Texas
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state of Texas euthanized 35 deer Tuesday at a breeding facility in Medina County http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/a...nch-6410354.php I kindly submit the following for your files... > The state of Texas euthanized 35 deer Tuesday at a breeding facility in Medina County so they can be tested for chronic wasting disease. WHY ONLY 35 DEER? this is insane. if they don’t slaughter and test every one of those deer for CWD, including the fawns, especially from the index herd, then it’s business as usually in Texas. no telling how much CWD has been trucked from one captive facility to another inside of Texas, from who knows where. besides that, TAHC has known since 2001 that CWD was waltzing across Texas from New Mexico, because I told them it was, not that it mattered. CWD was discovered in 2012 right where I had told them it was in 2001-2002. IF the state of Texas does not get serious real fast with CWD, and test all those deer, that 5 year plan is a ticking time bomb waiting to happen. Here are two examples of what waiting can look like with CWD ; http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2015/07/texas-kills-35-deer-at-medina-county.html First, I don't think what "you told tpwd" holds a lot of water. Second, I'm willing to bet you that CWD hasn't "been trucked" from facility to facility in Texas. So before all the test results come in from the other ranches, why don't you and I have a little side bet. I'll do a mea culpa thread if you win, you do one if I win. The bet is no other ranches test positive. There have been over 55 deer tested (as of last Saturdays results in hand) on deer that were moved from the Medina County facilty and sold to other breeders. Those breeders took it on themselves to slaughter and do the test. No one of the deer tested positive for CWD. I think some might have even did the live test also Yep and I talked to one at the deer summit at the Longhollow Ranch today that had already gotten his results. As you said, all negative.
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Re: CWD in Texas
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therancher
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stxrancman, it's obvious from documented cases and quarantined areas that CWD does not spread like wildfire. Otherwise, entire regions would have been wiped clean of deer, elk and moose. Probably bears, yotes and wolves, too. If I'm wrong please say so.
So how does CWD jump hundreds of miles between species and regions? Particularly when -0- animals from known areas in WTX are able to integrate with their brethren to the Far East?
Killing all cervids in immediate contact with an infected animal has proven ineffective. Repeatedly.
IMO, the source of CWD IN Texas has to be the single transient...feed. Feed might well be the vector. If the state doesn't make an attempt to use this perfect subject group and follow the right protocol, we'll never know.
Crotchety old bastidge
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Re: CWD in Texas
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rifleman
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I fear it will be feed/plant matter, which will probably be worse than if just an import deer were to test positive.
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Re: CWD in Texas
[Re: Frio County Hunts]
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07/31/15 02:14 AM
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nsmike
THF Trophy Hunter
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THF Trophy Hunter
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Everyone is assuming that the deer got infected, prion diseases have been shown to occur spontaneously, we need to include that possibility into the equation. Once a prion disease occurs, there is some ability to transmit the disease, so infectious disease protocols are needed. There is a lot that isn't known about CWD, but advances in the overall prion disease field are occurring regularly, what we need is for researchers to have more access to infected animals.
for every stereotype there's a prototype don't be the prototype
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Re: CWD in Texas
[Re: rifleman]
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07/31/15 02:23 AM
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stxranchman
Obie Juan Kenobi
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Obie Juan Kenobi
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I fear it will be feed/plant matter, which will probably be worse than if just an import deer were to test positive. If it were a feed/plant matter then just about every county would have had a positive test by now. I am still going with (1)Elk (I'll jump on the "kill them all state wide" bandwagon ), (2) out-of-state mule deer/elk kill brought back to that ranch for processing/trophy caping, then (3) vulture. But yet it was found in Mule Deer in West Texas and not one Mule Deer slaughtered to stop the spread, but find it in a pen and they want to slaughter every deer in the state before finding the source of how it got to Central Texas. That is the egos showing their best side.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: CWD in Texas
[Re: Frio County Hunts]
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07/31/15 02:26 AM
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rifleman
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With as small of a test population, it may very well be. Someone posted a deer on here a cpl years ago (think it may have been cameron) and thinking back on it, that deer probably should've been tested. Just remember it ran into a tree..out in the open.
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Re: CWD in Texas
[Re: nsmike]
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07/31/15 03:13 PM
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therancher
THF Trophy Hunter
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THF Trophy Hunter
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Everyone is assuming that the deer got infected, prion diseases have been shown to occur spontaneously, we need to include that possibility into the equation. Once a prion disease occurs, there is some ability to transmit the disease, so infectious disease protocols are needed. There is a lot that isn't known about CWD, but advances in the overall prion disease field are occurring regularly, what we need is for researchers to have more access to infected animals. Yes. My concern about our state organizations and other states' agencies is that it's becoming pretty obvious that none of them are as concerned about learning as much as they are about power, control, and tailoring the hunting industry to fit their preferred design.
Crotchety old bastidge
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Re: CWD in Texas
[Re: therancher]
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08/01/15 12:43 PM
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BOBO the Clown
kind of a big deal
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kind of a big deal
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Everyone is assuming that the deer got infected, prion diseases have been shown to occur spontaneously, we need to include that possibility into the equation. Once a prion disease occurs, there is some ability to transmit the disease, so infectious disease protocols are needed. There is a lot that isn't known about CWD, but advances in the overall prion disease field are occurring regularly, what we need is for researchers to have more access to infected animals. Yes. My concern about our state organizations and other states' agencies is that it's becoming pretty obvious that none of them are as concerned about learning as much as they are about power, control, and tailoring the hunting industry to fit their preferred design. I don't know...may be true may not be true but I heard TAHC is the reason TPWD didn't get to slaughter that entire herd yet. So as we are seeing someone in the stare government is actually trying to figure out origin.
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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