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Yep, according to all that I'm hearing, the owner has crossed all t's and dotted all i's. Volunteered his animals for research, but the state is flat out going in to destroy the herd to prevent research! No reason for the state to do that OR to bully this guy.

From what I hear he's just bending over. We need him to fight.

It really bothers me that they will not allow researchers to take samples prior to destroying the herd. How can you learn about it if you don't allow research?

Not just that.... Tons of ranches that bought deer from that ranch have offered those deer up for research.... TPWD reply not right now..... Why?

Somebody has an alternative motive... This ain't stoping at one ranch.....

When you read CWD research one continous theme is that their confidence level is low because of limited samples. It's a catch 22, the researchers don't have enough samples to make real progress, yet when it's identified in a captive herd they're not allowed to take samples.

Since the vast majority of deer (if not all) about to be slaughtered will test negative for CWD, is the state going to do the right thing and donate the meat to the needy???

Cannot be present on their own land? Is this Texas or Communist Russia? There's no way that's legal. The government can't just throw someone off private property for an amount of time. There were no laws that were broken. I'm sure that ranch's lawyer is about to go to town on that one.

I agree it sounds too far fetched. And it might be a BS rumor. I'm doing my best to get it confirmed or quashed.

Exotic Wildlife Association
Membership Alert


TAHC
Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) Herd Plan for
Trace-Forward Exposed Herd with Testing of Exposed Animals
DOWNLOAD DOCUMENT


* A trace-forward exposed herd is a herd that has received an animal from a CWD-positive herd within 5 years before the diagnosis of CWD in the positive herd

* Texas Animal Health Commission (TAHC) will issue trace-forward exposed herds a hold order restricting movement of all CWD susceptible species pending an epidemiological investigation by TAHC.

* Note: This plan is subject to modification based on new epidemiological information.

1. All trace-forward exposed animals traced to a herd, regardless of their participation in the TAHC Herd Status Program for Cervidae, should be removed and tested:

* If the animal tested CWD-positive, the herd is considered to be positive and handled using a CWD-positive herd plan.

* If the animal tested "not detected", the TAHC Hold Order may be released. Herds in the TAHC Herd Status Program for Cervidae may have their status restored. Texas Parks and Wildlife Department (TPWD) may have additional requirements to regain "Movement Qualified Status."

2. For trace-forward exposed herds that are participants in the TAHC Herd Status Program for Cervidae shall immediately be placed in Suspended status pending an epidemiological investigation by TAHC.

* If the epidemiological investigation determines that the herd was not commingled with an animal from the CWD-positive herd, the herd will be reinstated to its former status, and the time spent in Suspended status be counted in its herd status.

* Animals are commingled if they have direct contact with each other, have less than 10 feet of physical separation, or share equipment, pasture, or water sources/watershed.

* If the epidemiological investigation determines that the herd was commingled with an animal from the CWD-positive herd, the herd will lose its program status and be designated a CWD-exposed herd. Herd status may be restored if the trace-forward exposed animal(s) is tested "not detected" for CWD.

3. The CWD postmortem testing of trace-forward exposed animals will be performed at the Texas Veterinary Medical Laboratory (TVMDL) in College Station, TX.

* Subject to the availability of funds, the testing of trace-forward exposed animals will be provided by the TAHC. Shipping costs shall be borne by the facility owner.

* Please note: the TVMDL submission form must state "The specimen is from a CWD exposed animal epidemiologically linked to a CWD positive herd." This statement will ensure the testing is appropriately charged to the TAHC.

4. Both obex and medial retropharyngeal lymph nodes in 10% formalin collected from trace-forward exposed animals are required to be tested for CWD. All animal identification (ear tags, tattoos, etc.) shall be submitted with the entire ear attached fresh or frozen, and must be recorded on the corresponding TVMDL submission form. Diagnostic specimens shall be submitted to TVMDL using one of the following procedures and individuals listed below.

* A USDA accredited, TAHC authorized, CWD certified veterinarian can either collect and submit the above specimens in 10% formalin or submit a whole head to TVMDL.

* The facility owner can only submit a whole head to TVMDL.

* A USDA, TAHC, or TPWD regulatory official can either collect and submit the above specimens in 10% formalin or submit a whole head to TVMDL.

5. Prior to the harvest and testing of trace-forward exposed animals that have been liberated to the wild, the property owner must call TPWD Central Dispatch at 512-389-4848 to request authorization. No liberated deer can be harvested during a closed season without prior approval by TPWD.

* Testing and sample submission requirements in Section 4 are applicable.

6. If an exposed animal traced to a herd has died and was not tested for CWD, no longer resides in the herd, cannot be identified, or is otherwise unavailable for testing, a risk evaluation will be conducted to determine the level of CWD risk associated with the length of time the exposed animal was held in trace facilities. This may include a review of all aspects of the producer's management, compliance, and record keeping to determine how best to manage each exposed herd. A herd plan will be established to describe required surveillance activities and management practices. All CWD susceptible species in exposed herds will be put under a TAHC hold order pending CWD test results and epidemiological assessment.
Charly Seale
Executive Director
Exotic Wildlife Association
Mobile-830-928-3158
charly@myewa.org











Exotic Wildlife Association | 105 Henderson Branch Rd W | Ingram | TX | 78025

Ok. I just verified (with the landowner) that what we are hearing is true. The state is telling them they can't be present when the deer are killed and that they won't allow it to be filmed.

They are working with legal council and hopefully the state will grow a brain before this gets crazy.

The other rumors about offering the animals for research are all true too.

These folks need the help of the entire industry.

I'm no legal expert, but that has to be unconstitutional. Not allow to film or even be on your own property? Who knows what the heck those people could be doing out there with no witnesses. Put CWD aside, this is just flat out wrong.

I said the same thing years ago, 'what are these folks capable of doing'?


so, let me show you, from my experience.

now, before going there, remember what our fine federal friends did with tobacco and asbestos. they covered that up for 100 years, and lied to us.


I am reminded of another similar incident. the mad sheep of mad river valley. what a mess that was. now that was all politics. a mistake made by government officials to let the damn sheep in to begin with, when they knew there was an atypical BSE case in Belgium, but they let them in anyway, and then had to back peddle fast. the owners took the blunt of that blunder, but were well paid for it afterward. I fought that case for 10 years via FOIA's, and the producer of the film even sent me the script to proof read for them. I did not agree with the science they were going by, and it _has_ been proven wrong since then, as I told them. but their plight was indeed a disturbing one. I felt for them, their family, their animals, and the Gestapo type tactics that followed.

in short, a decade or so ago, a family with exotic sheep that made cheese imported from Belgium to the USA, some exotic Belgium sheep. right afterward, it was discovered that these sheep should have never been allowed to come to the USA, but they were already here. all this became suspicious to me, so i begin my FOIA's request way back around 2000 or 2001. I believe a plan was put forth to find some suspect cases of TSE prion disease in those sheep. at first, it was stated that they tested some of these sheep and they came up positive with an atypical type TSE. this is what they based their scorched earth policy on, and scorch it they did. but the only problem was, those sheep never had any TSE prion disease, and the feds _knew it all along_. this was a sad story indeed. all the way around. but this is the TSE prion disease and politics at it's worst. what we already know about TSE prion disease is scariest enough, it's what they don't know that scares them so bad.

now I know everyone of these pen owners here are going to jump all over this. but it needs to be told here, this is the other side of this nightmare. it will not end soon. too much money involved, and enough stupid to go around for everyone.

here is this story of 'the mad sheep of mad river valley', the sheep that never were mad, and testing was _manipulated_ by the government...I'm just saying!


I'm going to get a bit long winded again, but this is for your files, if anyone is keeping any. I might disappear some day and good or bad, I want this stuff filed away...terry




From: Terry S. Singeltary Sr.
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 12:25 PM
To: BSE-L@LISTS.AEGEE.ORG
Subject: [BSE-L] APHIS Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Appeal Mouse Bio-Assays 2007-00030-A Sheep Imported From Belgium and the Presence of TSE Prion Disease Kevin Shea to Singeltary 2015

APHIS Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Appeal Mouse Bio-Assays 2007-00030-A Sheep Imported From Belgium and the Presence of TSE Prion Disease Kevin Shea to Singeltary 2015


Greetings BSE-L Members et al,

you can’t believe what I got in the US Postal mail today. the wife would not pick it up yesterday, because there was a $6.00 charge for a certified letter from USDA Kevin Shea for about 5 pages. I went to the PO today, told the girls in the back that if it’s an affidavit, a warrant, summons, I don’t want it, send it back. but it was certified. scared me. but the curiosity got to me, so i coughed up 6 bucks, and took a chance. low and behold, after my last appeal to this decade plus old quest was turned down, even though I already had the answer from another source, APHIS et al finally stumbled across those old mouse bio-assays. they had them all along.

what the industry sent me first was better, because it had some of the good stuff i.e. redacted.

this all started way back around the year 2,000, when in my opinion, the USDA et al let these sheep in the USA from Belgium, when they should not have because of atypical BSE in Belgium. I started asking for the these mouse bio-assays back in or around 2003 or before, then I had to get official with FOIA, because no one would answer my questions.

well, it’s February 20, 2015, over a decade later, and I don’t know how many denials, here’s what was in the mail yesterday, February 19, 2015 ;

United States Department of Agriculture

Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service Marketing and Regulatory Programs Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service Legislative and Public Affairs Freedom of Information 4700 River Road Unit 50 Riverdale, MD. 20737-1232

FEB 10 2015

Terry S. Singletary Sr. P.O. Box 42 Bacliff, Texas 77518

Re: FOIA Appeal # 2007-00030-A

Dear Mr. Singletary:

This letter is in response to the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) appeal that you submitted regarding FOIA request 07-566. Your appeal challenged the APHIS FOIA Office's search for the "Mouse Bio-Assays" on the sheep imported from Belgium. We apologize for the delayed response.

The APHIS FOIA Office received your appeal, on July 7, 2007 and assigned it FOIA case number 2007-00030-A.

In response to your appeal, the APHIS FOIA Office performed a second search of records responsive to your initial request. The Agency has since found four (4) pages of responsive records for the "Mouse Bio-Assays" dated October 22,2009. Although these records postdate both your initial request and subsequent appeal by approximately two years; we enclose them in the interest of responsiveness to your request.

We now consider this appeal closed and will take no further action. If you are dissatisfied with this decision, you have the right to judicial review in an appropriate United States District Court in accordance with 5 U.S.C. 552, (2)(4)(B).

Prior to seeking judicial review, you may contact the Office of Government Information Services (OGlS). OGIS was created within the National Archives and Records Administration when the Open Government Act of 2007 amended the FOIA. OGIS provides mediation of FOIA disputes between appellants and federal agencies. Participation in mediation does not affect your right to judicial review. Contact information for OGIS can be found at http:/www.archives.gov/ogis.

Sincerely,

Kevin Shea Administrator Enclosure

snip...end

the next 4 pages is exactly what I received from an industry source way back on Saturday, February 27, 2010. see ;

Saturday, February 27, 2010

FINAL REPORT OF THE TESTING OF THE BELGIAN (VERMONT) SHEEP

February 27, 2010

http://foiamadsheepmadrivervalley.blogspot.com/2010/02/final-report-of-testing-of-belgian.html


see history below ;


From: Terry S. Singeltary Sr.

Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 10:04 PM

To: Terry S. Singeltary Sr. Subject: mad sheep mad river valley...NOT...never was

Veterinary Laboratories Agency – Weybridge

New Haw, Addlestone, Surrey KT15 3NB United Kingdom

Telephone +44 (0)1932 341111 Facsimile +44 (0)1932 347046 '

Web site http://www.vla.gov.uk

Veterinary Laboratories Agency

Your ref: MPL-6197-7-37

Our ref: FT1294

This is the FINAL report for contract MPL-6197-7-37 The testing of the Belgian (Vermont) sheep.

Background

Brain homogenate (10% in normal saline) from each case was inoculated intracerebralty into panels of 20 Rlll and 20 Tg338 mice.

FT1294/0001 (Sample 4677) was inoculated into mice on the 14/12/06

FT1294/0011 (Sample 4703) was inoculated into mice on the 20/12/06

Method

The brain from each mouse was examined histologically for any evidence of TSE-related vacuolation, and immunolabelled using anti-PrP antibody Rb486 as described elsewhere1, All slide interpretation was undertaken blind with regard to the clinical status of the mouse, or the source of the inoculum.

Final bioassay results

FT1294/0001 (Sample 4677)

Tg338 mice - All 20 mice are negative by histopathology, and immunohistochemistry

Rlll mice - All 20 mice are negative negative by histopathology, and immunohistochemistry

FT1294/0011 (Sample 4703)

Tg338 mice - All 20 mice are negative by histopathology, and immunohistochemistry

Rlll mice - All 20 mice are negative by histopathology, and immunohrstochernistry

The survival times for these mice can be seen in the figures below. Additional data sets from positive and negative inocula (J Spiropoulos, pers. comm.) have been included for comparison._

1 Beck KE, Chaplin M, Stack M: Sallis RE, Simonini S, Lockey R, Spiropoulos J. Lesion Profiling at Primary Isolation in Rlll Mice Is Insufficient in Distinguishing BSE from Classical Scrapie. Brain Pathol. 2009 epub ahead of print

FINAL report for contract MPL-6197-7-37

VLA is an Executive Agency of the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra)

snip... (2 pages of charts and graphs of survival and comparison of tg338 data NOT included here...TSS)

CONCLUSION

These mice have survived for long enough to have demonstrated the presence of classical scrapie, atypical scrapie, or ovine BSE if any of these strains was present in the inoculum.

Both samples are negative by bioassay.

Dr. Marion M Simmons

22nd October 2009

February 27, 2010, INVESTIGATION OF MAD SHEEP OF MAD RIVER VALLEY COMPLETE. THEY WERE NOT INFECTED WITH ANY TSE. ...TSS

Greetings again BSE list members,

The investigation of the Mad Sheep of Mad River Valley may be complete now, but, I still have questions.

PLEASE SEE MY FINAL FOIA HERE ;

Monday, September 1, 2008

RE-FOIA OF DECLARATION OF EXTRAORDINARY EMERGENCY BECAUSE OF AN ATYPICAL T.S.E. (PRION DISEASE) OF FOREIGN ORIGIN IN THE UNITED STATES [No. 00-072-1] September 1, 2008

Greetings again BSE-L members,

I had a pleasant surprise this past Saturday. I got an unexpected package from O.I.G. on my old F.O.I.A. request, of the final test results of the infamous mad sheep of mad river valley. IF you all remember, back on Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:00:20 -0500 I wrote ;

Greetings,

With great disgust, I must report, that after years and years of wrangling over the infamous mad sheep of mad river valley, I have failed in getting an official answer via FOIA on the outcome of the TSE testing of those imported Belgium sheep. The USA Government refuses to tell the public, exactly what the testing outcome was, and in doing so, shows just how corrupt this administration has been. and the excuse given in their answer to my final appeal, which they have now officially denied, was bizarre to say the least ;

"I am denying your FOIA appeal. This is the final agency decision. You may seek judicial review of this decision in the United States district court for the judicial district in which you reside or have your principal place of business or in the District of Columbia, pursuant to 5 U.S.C. & 552(a)(4)(B)."

FOIA OF DECLARATION OF EXTRAORDINARY EMERGENCY BECAUSE OF AN ATYPICAL T.S.E. (PRION DISEASE) OF FOREIGN ORIGIN IN THE UNITED STATES [Docket No. 00-072-1] ...snip...end...TSS

NOW, out of the wild blue, AFTER them telling me they denied my FOIA appeal for the final time, any further action would have to be judicial review in the United States district court, I get 25+ pages, a lot of redacted names, etc, but this is the first time they sent me anything about this in the 6 years of waiting for my FOIA request. IT will take me a long time to get this online due to the fact you cannot hardly read it, very poor quality and eligibility of text. BUT, the just of it is, somebody (REDACTED) screwed those tests up. I will work to get all the data online next week or so, but it is odd how much they were concerned for human and animal health from an atypical scrapie of foreign origin back then, but yet when we document it here in the USA, you don't hear a word about it. it's a completely different story.

IN SHORT ;

August 15, 2000

OIG case # NY-3399-56 REDACTED, VT

''Enclosed is OIG's notification that they have scheduled an investigation of the following individual. REDACTED is alleged to have provided possibly inaccurate test results involving diseased sheep. However, because the results were determined to be inconclusive, no actual violation was actually committed.''

snip...

IN SHORT ;

August 15, 2000

OIG case # NY-3399-56 REDACTED, VT

''Enclosed is OIG's notification that they have scheduled an investigation of the following individual. REDACTED is alleged to have provided possibly inaccurate test results involving diseased sheep. However, because the results were determined to be inconclusive, no actual violation was actually committed.''

snip...

[only bush et al could have interpreted it that way. don't all criminals wish this is the way the system worked. ...tss]

JULY, 28, 2000

Case Opening Memorandum

snip...

An investigation regarding the subject identified below will be conduced and a report submitted at the conclusion of the investigation. If you have or should later receive additional information concerning this matter, please forward it to this office.

If you believe that administrative action should be taken before all criminal and other legal matters are completed, please coordinate that action with this office in order not to jeopardize the ongoing investigation.

The fact that this subject is under investigation should not be discussed with anyone who does not have a need to know and all inquiries on the investigation should be referred to the office of Inspector General.

snip...end

FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY FEBRUARY 7, 2002

SUBJECT OIG CASE NY-3399-56 REDACTED VT HEALTH/SANITATION VIOLATION

TO: William Buisch, Regional Director Eastern Region, VS Raleigh, NC

Enclosed is the official investigation report on REDACTED. If you will recall, REDACTED is alleged to have provided possible inaccurate test results involving diseased sheep.

OIG is closing their file upon issuance of the Report of Investigation (copy enclosed). We are, therefore, also closing our case file.

REDACTED

Resource Management Systems and Evaluation Staff

Enclosure

cc:

REDACTED IES, Riverdale, MD (w/cy of incoming)

APHIS:RMSES: REDACTED 2/7/02 "NY-3399-56-REDACTED Closure''

END...TSS

NOW, the question is, who screwed those test up, and was it done on purpose, just to cover someone's [censored] for letting those sheep in here in the first place ???

WHICH tests were compromised, one of them, all of them, and, can we trust the outcome of any of these test under the circumstances here ???

i.e.

"It is significant that four of the sheep which first tested positive on REDACTED Western blot tests, thereby providing the type of confirmation the plaintiffs argue is lacking on the current record."

UNDER what circumstances were these test compromised ???

MY basic, simple question, was not answered in layman term, i.e. exactly what strain of TSE did those sheep have ???

IS this the best we can do ???

>>>"REDACTED is alleged to have provided possibly inaccurate test results involving diseased sheep. However, because the results were determined to be inconclusive, no actual violation was actually committed.''<<<

PLEASE SEE FULL TEXT HERE ;

http://foiamadsheepmadrivervalley.blogspot.com/2010/02/final-report-of-testing-of-belgian.html

Saturday, February 27, 2010

*** FINAL REPORT OF THE TESTING OF THE BELGIAN (VERMONT) SHEEP February 27, 2010 IN SHORT ; August 15, 2000 OIG case # NY-3399-56 REDACTED, VT ''Enclosed is OIG's notification that they have scheduled an investigation of the following individual. REDACTED is alleged to have provided possibly inaccurate test results involving diseased sheep. However, because the results were determined to be inconclusive, no actual violation was actually committed.''

FINAL REPORT OF THE TESTING OF THE BELGIAN (VERMONT) SHEEP February 27, 2010

(10 YEARS LATER, FOIA, none of the sheep had any TSE at all...tss)

http://foiamadsheepmadrivervalley.blogspot.com/2010/02/final-report-of-testing-of-belgian.html

Thursday, April 24, 2008

RE-FOIA OF DECLARATION OF EXTRAORDINARY EMERGENCY BECAUSE OF AN ATYPICAL T.S.E. OF FOREIGN ORIGIN IN THE UNITED STATES [Docket No. 00-072-1]

http://foiamadsheepmadrivervalley.blogspot.com/2008/04/re-foia-of-declaration-of-extraordinary.html

Monday, September 1, 2008 RE-FOIA OF DECLARATION OF EXTRAORDINARY EMERGENCY BECAUSE OF AN ATYPICAL T.S.E. (PRION DISEASE) OF FOREIGN ORIGIN IN THE UNITED STATES [No. 00-072-1]

http://foiamadsheepmadrivervalley.blogspot.com/2008/09/re-foia-of-declaration-of-extraordinary.html

FOIA MAD SHEEP MAD RIVER VALLEY

Tuesday, November 13, 2007

DECLARATION OF EXTRAORDINARY EMERGENCY BECAUSE OF AN ATYPICAL T.S.E. (PRION DISEASE) OF FOREIGN ORIGIN IN THE UNITED STATES [Docket No. 00-072-1]

To: Garfield.O.Daley@aphis.usda.gov

CC: phyllis.Fong@usda.gov; bse-L@aegee.org;

Re: FOIA APPEAL 07-566 DECLARATION OF EXTRAORDINARY EMERGENCY BECAUSE OF AN ATYPICAL T.S.E. (PRION DISEASE) OF FOREIGN ORIGIN IN THE UNITED STATES [Docket No. 00-072-1]

November 13, 2007

Greetings Garfield O. Daley, Acting FOIA Director, and USDA et al,

SNIP

for those interested, please see full text answer below received from USDA et al below on latest appeal ;

http://foiamadsheepmadrivervalley.blogspot.com/2007/11/declaration-of-extraordinary-emergency.html

http://foiamadsheepmadrivervalley.blogspot.com/

http://scrapie-usa.blogspot.com/2009_01_01_archive.html


6. WHAT happened to the test results and MOUSE BIO-ASSAYS of those


> imported sheep from Belgium that were confiscated and slaughtered from the

> Faillace's, what sort of TSE did these animals have ? Imported

> Belgium/Netherlands Sheep Test Results Background Factsheet Veterinary

> Services April 2002 APHIS ...snip...

>

> 7. WHY is it that the Farm of the Mad Sheep of Mad River Valley were

> quarantined for 5 years, but none of these farms from Texas and Alabama

> with Atypical TSE in the Bovine, they have not been quarantined for 5

> years, why not, with the real risk of BSE to sheep, whom is to say this

> was not BSE ? (see later results via FOIA below...TSS)...snip



http://www.fsis.usda.gov/OPPDE/Comments/2006-0011/2006-0011-1.pdf


From: TSS (216-119-138-157.ipset18.wt.net)
Subject: Re: More on the Mad Sheep from Mad River Valley
Date: August 12, 2000 at 8:44 am PST

In Reply to: More on the Mad Sheep from Mad River Valley posted by Terry S. Singeltary Sr. on August 12, 2000 at 8:42 am:

######### Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy #########

>BSE-suspected Vermont Sheep Get Another
>Reprieve, USDA Backs Off Slaughter Order
>
>BURLINGTON, Vt., August 10 (United Press International) -- Two
>flocks of exotic sheep scheduled for slaughter this week in Vermont
>because of fears some of the animals might be infected with a form
>of the deadly mad cow disease have won yet another reprieve.
>
>The U.S. Department of Agriculture has temporarily backed off plans
>to seize and destroy the animals, the Burlington Free Press reported
>Thursday.
>

Actually something else happened in the interim:


Vermont sheep still grazing as lawyers reach deal


Thu, Aug 10, 2000 Reuters


BURLINGTON, Vt., Aug 10 (Reuters) - Lawyers for owners of Vermont sheep
suspected of having a neurological ailment similar to mad cow disease
struck a deal with prosecutors on Thursday for a fuller court hearing on
the animals' fate.


Under the agreement, lawyers for the farmers will forgo afederal
appeals case in return for a more detailed hearing
Under the agreement, lawyers for the farmers will forgo afederal
appeals case in return for a more detailed hearing in a lower court, said
Tom Amidon, who represents sheep farmer Houghton Freeman.
"So the sheep are on the farm awhile," Amidon said. He hoped a new
hearing would allow for closer examination of claims by the U.S.
Agriculture Department, which wants to seize and eliminate the 350 sheep
under scrutiny as a health precaution.


U.S. District Judge Garvan Murtha ruled last week the Agriculture
Department could carry out its plan. But the farmers planned to appeal
before Thursday's agreement changed the legal picture.
"We will drop our appeal to the second circuit and in return the U.S.
attorneys office in Vermont will allow us to hold a fuller court hearing,"
Amidon said.


Four sheep on Vermont farms near Warren, Vermont, tested positive last
month for a disease known as TSE or transmissible spongiform
encephalopathy, according to USDA officials.


TSE can cause scrapie, a fatal disease in sheep. It is also part of a
family of diseases that includes deadly BSE, also known as bovine
spongiform encephalopathy or mad cow disease.


No cases of BSE or mad cow disease have ever been found in the United
States, but the human form of the disease is blamed for 75 deaths in
Britain during the 1980s.


Breeding pairs for the two flocks of diary sheep came from Belgium and
the Netherlands in the mid-90s.


Amidon said the Belgian government has sent a letter to the USDA
requesting the return of all 350 sheep and that Freeman had already lined
up a plane to transport them. Whether that will eventually occur remains

############ http://mailhost.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/warc/bse-l.html ############


tss

Mr. Flounder, I'm concerned for your health.

You just posted that there were no positives in the mouse study... as proof that all prion related diseases are something for us all to be terrified of.

You also just used an example that (in your mind, which seems pretty far from reality right now) is related to the current cwd issue. I can assure you it is the opposite.

In your example the govt. was immagined to be covering up for industry (asbestos, tobacco, and belgium sheep). In the cwd issue in texas the exact opposite is occuring. The govt. is actively working to DESTROY an industry.

I guess in your mind we all have cjd and cwd, are on the way to total destruction and God knows belgium and europe are all dead and we are just seeing holograms when we visit there right???

Please get help. And you don't have to report the results of that help here.

nope, you missed the relevance of the post all together

I'm a little confused myself on that one.

I think flounder was trying to say that; the government has totally screwed things up in the past and don't want to have anyone in a position to be able to prove it.

my point was missed entirely.

my point was _what the government is capable of doing_ with reference to the cwd tse prion aka mad cow type disease.

in reference to captive farmers, livestock, cwd tse prion aka mad cow type disease, I referenced another similar incident, long ago, with another TSE prion disease, politics behind it, and what indeed the government is _capable_ of doing, because they did it, when they were wrong from the beginning, and knew it, just to cover up an import blunder with a TSE prion disease.

I would be upset as well if I could not be on my own land to witness and film the slaughter of my own animals.

my point I suppose was to show you both sides of the fence with the politics from the tse prion disease, and like it or not, that is what CWD is.

you can't have the industry running things, and you can't let the government do it all with out checks and balances from the scientist and the people.


here's their story, maybe some of you will see here what i meant ;


http://jmyarlott.com/Articles/Mad%20Sheep/


and where we are today 2015 ;



Sunday, July 12, 2015

Insights into CWD and BSE species barriers using real-time conversion

http://transmissiblespongiformencephalop...se-species.html



kind regards, terry

My apologies Mr Flounder. I missed the key paragraph in your post that changed the meaning completely.

I'm not in the breeding industry btw. I'm in the hunting industry though, and I'm concerned that the state is following the fed example you cited, and I question the validity of the initial test. It could have been on purpose, it could have been an honest CoC issue.

But, the scorched earth policy will forever hide the truth.

So apparently everyone is in Austin making their case. Breeders are being led by a lawyer who's has one of the best breeding ranches in Texas. The other side is being led by the Bass family. They have a huge hunting operation that's low fence. So HF vs LF, old money vs new money. However you want to look at it.

Tuesday, July 14, 2015

Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission Special Meeting Thursday on Chronic Wasting Disease CWD

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2015/07/texas-parks-and-wildlife-commission.html

HOW DID THAT TEXAD DEER CZAR DR. DOUGH DO FOR WISCONSIN ???




Tuesday, July 14, 2015

TWO Escaped Captive Deer on the loose in Eau Claire County Wisconsin CWD postive farm Yellow ear tag

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2015/07/two-escaped-captive-deer-on-loose-in.html





terry

He did quite a bit actually. Have you seen the deer up there?

He actually did a lot. Of course, folks who don't know squat and think the sky is falling might differ. But when Kroll went up their the dnr had gone Bat ch** crazy and had decided to try and kill all the deer in a few counties on the ignorant thought that that was a good idea to "control the spread of CWD". Even idiots can learn I guess, because they aren't doing that anymore.

I know this is technically off topic but for those believers here, yet another mystery mankind, science, common sense, and vast amounts of interpretation and data can't get a handle on. Like most problems in our country we cannot agree on. Sometimes there are factors outside of our control or understanding no matter how intelligent or redneck or otherwise we are. Not saying that CWD or other issues may never be explained just that sometimes God works in mysterious ways. That despite our beliefs may not be what we think or feel is happening or right.

I am also impressed with knowledge, concern, and relatively friendly banter that has gone on in this thread. There was a little name calling and back and forth. Ultimately I think anyone who read this thread is better educated. Lf, hf, dr, redneck, old money, new money, no money, we gotta get along to make progress, and the more debate, conversation and more minds at work the better.

In my opinion CWD remains a challenge and a concern. What is God's will in all of this... who knows?

As for the constant bending of our great country's Constitution on a regular basis these days I hope we all stand up against any injustice. Those who have been put in bad situation financially and otherwise by all of this I hope for the best and easiest remediation possible.

Thanks for all the good reading and shared knowledge. Keep up the good work THF.

This sentence illustrates to me the God factor in our world:

The propensity for trans-species prion transmission is related to the structural characteristics of the enciphering and heterologous PrP, but the exact mechanism remains mostly mysterious.

All the [/i]
si-entistfic [i] lingo ends in the sentence just ends with it is really a mystery.