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 Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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03/07/15 02:36 AM
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Muddying with scientific data?? Lmao. Its performance info off the manufactures website. OP asked a question so I put information out there so they would have info available to choose. No charts or graphs from a program or coefficients. Posted the stuff I looked at when I was deciding on a larger caliber for hunting hogs. If it bothers some folks, don't read it. My post with your post quoted was also from Hornady site. You had just left out the one of those 3 cartridges I like best. So I added it. Sarcasm detector must be broken. How true
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true
Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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03/07/15 02:43 AM
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Sarcasm detector must be broken. Must be...
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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03/07/15 02:48 AM
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Yep!!! Must be. I have been part of THF for a while but haven't really been on here in some time. I don't know the flow of this forum like I used to.
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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03/07/15 02:53 AM
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My post with your post quoted was also from Hornady site. You had just left out the one of those 3 cartridges I like best. So I added it.
That was my bad and not intentional. I got distracted and hit post before I got it all together.
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
[Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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03/07/15 12:37 PM
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Different calibers for different missions. I love that I can use all my 5.56 components on my 300BO. With a mag change on can from subs to 110TSX that are PFM. If I did not care about sub/SBR/CQB I would go with 6.8
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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03/07/15 01:53 PM
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Thanks, gents. I figured 6.8 was the way to go since this will just be an additional upper, I won't be multi-hog hunting, and I want to find ammo off the shelf. If I was going to go 6.5 I'd build an entire AR for it so that I could really use the whole range of the cartridge. I wouldn't doubt that eventually a .300 joins the fold, though! Geez, I'm going to have to get a second job or win the lottery....
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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03/07/15 08:20 PM
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I am a big fan of the 6.8, have been for about 6 years.
FWIW, I have ran about all the ammo for it and handloaded a bunch.
I was running the 95g TTSX for the longest time and Hornady sent me a batch of the factory 120SST ammo.
It flat out works.
I have seen it around Austin and at least around here there are more 6.8 ammo choices than 300 blackout.
That doesn't mean what's in stock at the moment either.
They all work of course.
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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03/07/15 08:45 PM
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Just do a ptr pdw sbr...
That will have enough firepower
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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03/07/15 08:46 PM
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If I ever run out of Accubond the SST is what I will probably switch to. No complaints on the Accubond other than I can't get them locally. The SST has always impressed me in other calibers anyway.
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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03/09/15 01:50 AM
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just depends on what all you want to buy, .300BLK everything is the same except the barrel. I've ran my 8" .300BLK to 250yds no problem. its really your personal preference between all 3...
and can we please get an NFA sticky thread and apparently we need a .300BLK/6.8/6.5 sticky thread too...
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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03/09/15 03:32 AM
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I have a 6.8 and love it. I've shot several deer and a few pigs and never lost one. It's very accurate and predictable. I've had a few friends who have switched to it as their primary rifle after seeing how well mine was doing.
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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03/09/15 06:43 PM
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I have the blackout and the 6.8 the blackout stays in the safe now. Compared to the 6.8 the blackout was underperforming on hogs, I don't know about all the numbers just real word experience. Will a blackout kill hogs yes it is the ballistic equivalent of a 30/30. The 6.5 is nice also but I feel the 6.8 will be more commercially available.
So between the three my choices would be 1) 6.8. 2) 6.5 3) 300bo. They will all kill hogs with proper shot placement some provide more room for error than others. Only reason I can see to chose the BO is cost. I keep seeing this posted but a 300 no is not the equivalent of a 30-30. 110 bo has the sam velocity as a 150 gr 30-30. Both are good rounds for what they do but they are not the same.
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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I have the blackout and the 6.8 the blackout stays in the safe now. Compared to the 6.8 the blackout was underperforming on hogs, I don't know about all the numbers just real word experience. Will a blackout kill hogs yes it is the ballistic equivalent of a 30/30. The 6.5 is nice also but I feel the 6.8 will be more commercially available.
So between the three my choices would be 1) 6.8. 2) 6.5 3) 300bo. They will all kill hogs with proper shot placement some provide more room for error than others. Only reason I can see to chose the BO is cost. I keep seeing this posted but a 300 no is not the equivalent of a 30-30. 110 bo has the sam velocity as a 150 gr 30-30. Both are good rounds for what they do but they are not the same. Using 1680 powder, you can load 150g 300blk to 2000 fps, same as 150g 30-30. You can even use the same Interlock bullet in the 300blk. You can load 110 g bullets in both to 2200 fps, but the 300blk uses about half the volume of powder.
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
[Re: Toxarch]
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03/09/15 08:41 PM
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I have the blackout and the 6.8 the blackout stays in the safe now. Compared to the 6.8 the blackout was underperforming on hogs, I don't know about all the numbers just real word experience. Will a blackout kill hogs yes it is the ballistic equivalent of a 30/30. The 6.5 is nice also but I feel the 6.8 will be more commercially available.
So between the three my choices would be 1) 6.8. 2) 6.5 3) 300bo. They will all kill hogs with proper shot placement some provide more room for error than others. Only reason I can see to chose the BO is cost. I keep seeing this posted but a 300 no is not the equivalent of a 30-30. 110 bo has the sam velocity as a 150 gr 30-30. Both are good rounds for what they do but they are not the same. Using 1680 powder, you can load 150g 300blk to 2000 fps, same as 150g 30-30. You can even use the same Interlock bullet in the 300blk. You can load 110 g bullets in both to 2200 fps, but the 300blk uses about half the volume of powder. Check your numbers, those are selling the old 30-30 short by easily 200 fps from a 20 inch barrel
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true
Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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Tell that to hornady. It's their numbers.
It is far more important to be able to hit the target than it is to haggle over who makes a weapon or who pulls a trigger.
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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03/09/15 11:24 PM
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The data I used is also from Hornady Hornady 30-30 factory ammo   Even with 13000 psi more pressure spec for the blackout it lacks the case volume to catch the old 30-30.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true
Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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To be fair that 30-30 data is out of a 24in barrel, most of the data i have seen for 300BO is 16in
That bottom one is 150 @ 2100 fps 24In
Chad has 300BO ammo that is 150 @ 1950 fps 16in.
Yes the 30-30 does have more fps but its not apples to apples.
The big game changer for the 30-30 was the Lever Evolution gunpowder. That kicks the 160 grain up to 2400 fps
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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That bottom one is the Custom Lite reduced recoil load. Before I made the first post about the comparison I had run the fastest loads I could find through quickload and that is where I came up with about 200fps difference. That appears to hold true at 16 inch barrel or 20 inch barrel which are more realistic of the real world barrel lengths.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true
Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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That bottom one is the Custom Lite reduced recoil load. Before I made the first post about the comparison I had run the fastest loads I could find through quickload and that is where I came up with about 200fps difference. That appears to hold true at 16 inch barrel or 20 inch barrel which are more realistic of the real world barrel lengths. good call didn't read that it was reduced load...but the 16 vs 24 is still true the 30-30 does have more power than the 300BO not arguing that. But i would prefer a sbr 300 bo to a 24 in 30-30
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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My numbers were from Hornady 9th Edition, 16" 300blk vs 20" 30-30.
It is far more important to be able to hit the target than it is to haggle over who makes a weapon or who pulls a trigger.
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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I've been shooting 140 gr Berger VLDs in my 6.8 AR and am very impressed with the performance. They can be loaded to magazine length. 2400 fps out of a 16" barrel and retains enough energy to drop hogs pretty convincingly out to 300 yards. Reportedly supersonic out to 1000 as well.
IMO, .300BLK if you want to run a can, 6.8 if not.
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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SBR - Blackout
With a Can - Blackout
No Can and sub 300yds - 6.8
No can and 300+ - Grendel
Personally, I'd get a LWRC Six8 UCIW and a Specwar 7.62 and run 90gr Gold dots. Then you have the best of all worlds all the way to 200yds.
I've owned all 3 calibers, 95% of my shot opportunities for hunting environments are less than 100yds. I'm currently running a SBR Blackout.
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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I don't own either of these calibers but why not a Grendal with a can? The 6.5 seems to have better ballistics beyond 200 yards. I've been thinking of buying my daughter an AR hog/deer rifle which is lighter than her 270 and add a can. Probably NV or Thermal. With Thermal, it will be mine  .
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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SBR - Blackout
With a Can - Blackout
No Can and sub 300yds - 6.8
No can and 300+ - Grendel
Personally, I'd get a LWRC Six8 UCIW and a Specwar 7.62 and run 90gr Gold dots. Then you have the best of all worlds all the way to 200yds.
I've owned all 3 calibers, 95% of my shot opportunities for hunting environments are less than 100yds. I'm currently running a SBR Blackout. Why BLK with a can-isn't the can good with any of them?
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Re: 6.8 v 6.5G v .300BLK
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Because the blackout can shoot heavy rounds at subsonic speeds so it's quiet through a can. I think there's 6.8 subs off the shelf, but the bullet is light weight. Use the can with all 3 if you have a can. But it will be by far the quietest with 300 blk subs.
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