So if the Patio only sold ewe.....unless a ewe is sold that was bred which resulted in a male lamb.....there should be no "pure" Stumberg rams other than those on the Patio (and I use the term pure in quotes because the Stunmbergs are a hybrid to start with).

Since we are on the subject of the Patio Ranch, here is a picture of an unreal ram from their newsletter.




Here is an excerpt from that newsletter. I also attached the link. They do not state what the exact hybrid was, but someone did tell me it was Transcaspian Urial x European Mouflon, but I do not know if that is correct. regardless, I would love to shoot a ram like that.

"The second was a hybrid Trans-Caspian urial ram that had been an experiment in genetics. It produced a sheep that is a one in 10,000 type sheep: large body, long horns, massive bases and the intelligence of the true wild sheep."


http://www.thepatioranch.com/timbo-s-dream-come-true-sheep-hunt/

Here are two Stumbergs from the White Elks ranch ..the bigger one is a hammer of a ram

Yeah you beat me to it saying that White elk has stumbergs

That's what He claimed, He had a Ewe lamb after purchasing and She had a Ram lamb, look at the First Pic of the Harvested Ram from White Elk, might be hard to see in that Pic (but I seen the Ram Live) He has a Badger Face like a Barbado, some of those first "Pure Stumbergs" that White Elk Got weren't so "Pure"....

Hilonsome,

I've seem quite a few Transcaspian Urial ram x Stumberg ewes ..... I figure that's what a lot of the people who buy Stumberg ewes try and bred them with.... a hybrid of two large sheep. It's an impressive hybrid as I've seen some 3 1/2 year olds that look pretty good with 33-36" horns . If you could find one that was 7-8 yrs old I bet it would be a monster, but most get sold and hunted before they get really old. That's just how the business model is for the breeders.

Agreed! the Baddest Ram I ever seen was a T Urial and Stumberg Cross! I had a Urial/Texas Dall/Mouflon Cross Ram that was a beast! at 3 years old he weighed 250 lbs and sported 38" Horns with 12.5" Bases, talked to Gary at Patio Ranch a few times about getting some Stumberg Ewes to put him on but didn't have enough room to keep a buffer between Him and My Mouflon Herd, so ended up selling Him....

Here is a Pic of the Ram I'm talking about, Didn't have the Depth or width of the ones You posted, but incredible length and Base at that Age!

He's a beast. The bases are really exceptional and all the ridges on the horns are really handsome, but I see what you mean about the depth of the curl. A heck of a ram and would look great on anyone's wall.,,and only 3 yrs old.

What a beast of a ram.