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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: Lipan Creep]
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01/28/15 06:16 PM
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Lonnie Paul Walker Jr.
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Exactly why we build our high fence inside on our property, no little fellow DRAMA.
He doesnt have to pay for anything, but if the fence was in poor condition he should pay half because that is what good neighbors do. Not the full price for the high fence, but half of a low fence. If the fence was new or in real good condition, then no I would object to paying half of any cost. Just because he puts up a high fence on 3 sides does not mean he is the bad guy, he is just protecting his investments. As far as low balling a price, not the ethical thing to do no . Most people now days have no clue what it is like to be good neighbors. Most guys think everything is owed to them, when they have no dog in the race. Feeling like your land is worthless now because of the fence, is not the way to look at it. Me personally I think it opens up the doors for many avenues to make more money than you did before. Look outside the box and use it to your advantage.
You only look at the negative, sad world to live in. Be positive, and figure out how to use it to your advantage and make money.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: Lipan Creep]
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01/28/15 06:20 PM
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Feed like crazy while they are fencing and stay off property let the deer settle in. Manage the herd your are left with. That is really all you can do. Or high fence remainder and kill everything off and raise Blackbuck or rams on it to sell or enjoy for your self.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: Lonnie Paul Walker Jr.]
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01/28/15 06:27 PM
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Exactly why we build our high fence inside on our property, no little fellow DRAMA.
Yep, those dang little fellas need to shut up and learn their place in this world. I read you-loud and clear.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/28/15 06:42 PM
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Ok.
1) our fences were in bad shape and needed to be rebuilt. We offered to pay for half of the cost of a 4 foot fence. Our neigbor will pay for the extra cost associated with the high fence.
2)the thought of hunting deer that are confined to a 150 acre high fenced piece of land does not seem very sporting or humane to my family. We are going to work with the game warden and rancher and have all the deer removed.
I'm not angry with our neighbor. Its his property to do what he pleases with it.He has every right to put up a fence. We will find a lease somewhere for us to hunt on. No big deal.
The land has use and value. Just less value to us but maybe more value to a potential buyer.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/28/15 06:45 PM
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2)the thought of hunting deer that are confined to a 150 acre high fenced piece of land does not seem very sporting to my family. We are going to work with the game warden and rancher and have all the deer removed.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: Lipan Creep]
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01/28/15 06:46 PM
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Ok.
1) our fences were in bad shape and needed to be rebuilt. We offered to pay for half of the cost of a 4 foot fence. Our neigbor will pay for the extra cost associated with the high fence.
2)the thought of hunting deer that are confined to a 150 acre high fenced piece of land does not seem very sporting or humane to my family. We are going to work with the game warden and rancher and have all the deer removed.
I'm not angry with our neighbor. Its his property to do what he pleases with it.He has every right to put up a fence. We will find a lease somewhere for us to hunt on. No big deal.
Great outlook! Good luck to you and your family.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/28/15 06:50 PM
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You know I agree he should be responsible for paying his half of the fence. Not a high fence, but the cost of a 5 strand barbed wire. It is the other land owner that choose to go high fence, so you should not be obligated to the to pay more than that normal low fence. I do this with our neighbors and it works out well for everyone. Please explain to me why he should pay one red cent to the folks who are rendering his land useless and, having done so, are now attempting to take advantage of that fact. +1
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: Lipan Creep]
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01/28/15 06:56 PM
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that makes little or no sense to me. if you hunted on 150ac before....why won't you do it now?
I get that they will be fenced....but the notion that a HF makes hunting not sporting to me is sorta silly. a deer in a pen....a small pen...where he has no place to go where he can even begin to avoid you...ok...that's canned hunting. but 150ac of brush? agreed its not optimal in size...but you might be surprised what will still evade you.
yes the situation will cost you some money. you will have to feed some. but not spend thousands. you will have to do something to provide some water. but honestly....a decent water catchment would probably do you ok. deer don't drink that much water. you'd be pressed to water cattle...but that's different.
before you did nothing. you just showed up a month before the season and fed until you took your deer. nothing wrong with that. but you're investing little to nothing into the land or the animals. you've got the same 150ac to hunt now as you did before. only now you're limited to what your 150ac is capable of. I'd say its very useable. it may not suit the number of hunters wanting to use it....you might have to switch to a rotation on who gets to hunt or who gets to shoot what annually. we do that on our family place now.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: Lipan Creep]
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01/28/15 06:58 PM
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Live to hunt, forced to work!
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/28/15 07:06 PM
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how big is the neighbor's place?
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: Lipan Creep]
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01/28/15 07:08 PM
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There's other animals to hunt on your property other than deer. I don't know where your land is located but dove and quail hunting as well as rabbit and varmits can be good. Just because there's a high fence does not mean that there will never be deer on your property again. Hogs root and push under high fences where deer can get in and so do coyotes. I have seen many times where deer cross under a high fence repeatedly. Keep whatever deer you have on your property and construct some kind of water trough or small pond which can hold water. You'll be surprised what will show up every season.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/28/15 07:12 PM
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No natural water on the place that's HF'd means the place has a CC of 0, which renders it useless.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: Lipan Creep]
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01/28/15 07:25 PM
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he made you a low ball offer because he knew you'd come back with a higher number. that 150 acres is worth a lot the him just to square off his property. plus, as mentioned it will save him the cost of fencing around vs strait across. Come back at him with a realistic counter offer.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: Lipan Creep]
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01/28/15 07:32 PM
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I equate land ownership, especially smaller acreage a little bit to a poker or blackjack game. Purchasing your acreage is a bit like playing with an unorthodox blackjack player or a high roller in poker. Not necessarily how you may conduct yourself but if they are within the casino rules and breaking no laws; certainly within their rights to conduct their business as they may. An inherent risk in the land ownership game. I happen to be in that situation, owning 70 acres and know if my neighbors to the south and north of me ever went up with HF, it would significantly alter my access to wildlife. The only things I can control in that respect are to exercise wise game management, being selective as to what and how many animals I harvest. Hopefully that display of game management alleviates any unnecessary concern on those landowners' part. Not implying that's what brought on this or any other situation of HFn'g but simply what I personally try to control from my end. That said, I certainly wouldn't help pay for anyone's HF on my boundaries. Nuff said.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/28/15 07:42 PM
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If you can get a fair price then sell. Buy more land in West Texas with a big canyon or two running through the middle of the property. The first good rainfall will tear their precious high fence down
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/28/15 08:34 PM
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that makes little or no sense to me. if you hunted on 150ac before....why won't you do it now?
I get that they will be fenced....but the notion that a HF makes hunting not sporting to me is sorta silly. a deer in a pen....a small pen...where he has no place to go where he can even begin to avoid you...ok...that's canned hunting. but 150ac of brush? agreed its not optimal in size...but you might be surprised what will still evade you.
yes the situation will cost you some money. you will have to feed some. but not spend thousands. you will have to do something to provide some water. but honestly....a decent water catchment would probably do you ok. deer don't drink that much water. you'd be pressed to water cattle...but that's different.
before you did nothing. you just showed up a month before the season and fed until you took your deer. nothing wrong with that. but you're investing little to nothing into the land or the animals. you've got the same 150ac to hunt now as you did before. only now you're limited to what your 150ac is capable of. I'd say its very useable. it may not suit the number of hunters wanting to use it....you might have to switch to a rotation on who gets to hunt or who gets to shoot what annually. we do that on our family place now. i bet very few "HF guys" would even want to hunt 150 HF'd acres. thats a pretty s****y silver lining IMO.
If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/28/15 08:50 PM
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I'd consider a motor cross park. Put up that billboard. He'll be back with a better offer.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/28/15 08:53 PM
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I'd consider a motor cross park. Put up that billboard. He'll be back with a better offer. Now we're talk'n Half motocross, 1/4 paintball war park and 1/4 a shooting range open 24- 365
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/28/15 08:55 PM
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No natural water on the place that's HF'd means the place has a CC of 0, which renders it useless. Temporary problem, With a multitude of solutions.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/28/15 08:56 PM
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that makes little or no sense to me. if you hunted on 150ac before....why won't you do it now?
I get that they will be fenced....but the notion that a HF makes hunting not sporting to me is sorta silly. a deer in a pen....a small pen...where he has no place to go where he can even begin to avoid you...ok...that's canned hunting. but 150ac of brush? agreed its not optimal in size...but you might be surprised what will still evade you.
yes the situation will cost you some money. you will have to feed some. but not spend thousands. you will have to do something to provide some water. but honestly....a decent water catchment would probably do you ok. deer don't drink that much water. you'd be pressed to water cattle...but that's different.
before you did nothing. you just showed up a month before the season and fed until you took your deer. nothing wrong with that. but you're investing little to nothing into the land or the animals. you've got the same 150ac to hunt now as you did before. only now you're limited to what your 150ac is capable of. I'd say its very useable. it may not suit the number of hunters wanting to use it....you might have to switch to a rotation on who gets to hunt or who gets to shoot what annually. we do that on our family place now. i bet very few "HF guys" would even want to hunt 150 HF'd acres. thats a pretty s****y silver lining IMO. A deer drive would work great! Now, after the first one-not so much.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/28/15 09:01 PM
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that makes little or no sense to me. if you hunted on 150ac before....why won't you do it now?
I get that they will be fenced....but the notion that a HF makes hunting not sporting to me is sorta silly. a deer in a pen....a small pen...where he has no place to go where he can even begin to avoid you...ok...that's canned hunting. but 150ac of brush? agreed its not optimal in size...but you might be surprised what will still evade you.
yes the situation will cost you some money. you will have to feed some. but not spend thousands. you will have to do something to provide some water. but honestly....a decent water catchment would probably do you ok. deer don't drink that much water. you'd be pressed to water cattle...but that's different.
before you did nothing. you just showed up a month before the season and fed until you took your deer. nothing wrong with that. but you're investing little to nothing into the land or the animals. you've got the same 150ac to hunt now as you did before. only now you're limited to what your 150ac is capable of. I'd say its very useable. it may not suit the number of hunters wanting to use it....you might have to switch to a rotation on who gets to hunt or who gets to shoot what annually. we do that on our family place now. i bet very few "HF guys" would even want to hunt 150 HF'd acres. thats a pretty s****y silver lining IMO. All about how you set it up, and what rules you put in place. It would take me an hour to use all my tags on a small LF place I hunt. What's sporting about that?? I mainly bowhunt for a reason until it's cull time.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/28/15 09:08 PM
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that makes little or no sense to me. if you hunted on 150ac before....why won't you do it now?
I get that they will be fenced....but the notion that a HF makes hunting not sporting to me is sorta silly. Speaking of silly....that quote is the silliest I've ever heard. Makes me wonder why I leave the trading post, leases, and outfitter sections. Very sad...
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/28/15 09:43 PM
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Exactly why we build our high fence inside on our property, no little fellow DRAMA.
Yep, those dang little fellas need to shut up and learn their place in this world. I read you-loud and clear. You really misread completely bud, lol. Your thoughts on this subject are the exact reason why I said little fellow Drama. By little fellow, I mean childish reactions with no thought process on reality. Take a seat, get yourself a deep breath, and think about things before you comment on them.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/28/15 09:48 PM
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The situation sucks, but as DQ pointed out, this is the risk of owning a small parcel surrounded by large neighbors. I would counter offer him with the established price per acre currently selling in your area. Buy another place. Or set up an account with the money to fund a family year round lease that would be much bigger and offer better hunting opportunities. Good luck.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/28/15 10:00 PM
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Exactly why we build our high fence inside on our property, no little fellow DRAMA.
Yep, those dang little fellas need to shut up and learn their place in this world. I read you-loud and clear. You really misread completely bud, lol. Your thoughts on this subject are the exact reason why I said little fellow Drama. By little fellow, I mean childish reactions with no thought process on reality. Take a seat, get yourself a deep breath, and think about things before you comment on them. ... back peddling there for sure
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