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 Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: jhunter77]
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01/17/09 08:04 AM
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kwrhuntinglab
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7mmSTW None of us have pi$$ed or moaned about the lease you guys are on nor are we calling and whinning this post did start over the post for the openings on your lease and I'm the one that commented on the fact that no kids were allowed. IN MY OPINION Now more then ever hunting is a family activity lease prices are higher then ever so alot of families give up doing other things so the family can spend time time hunting. We understand also that you guys don't want kids on your place but you guys should understand that we are having a discussion about this matter not your lease, We have all agreed that there is a time and place to allow kids to responsibly hunt.
Now as for armchair QBs whinners and moaners maybe you are taking this post wrong and again if this is your channel 3 then go to channel 4 
Armchair......that analogy doesn't work.....
I coach...and sure as hell know what an armchair qb is.....
Rocky posted the lease opening......and stated the rules...
and yes there was pissing and moaning about their lease....go back and read the original post.....
if that ain't pissing and moaning....then I call 
Again....and we ALL have opinions.....
It is their lease....they can do what the HE!! they want to on it......they pay the money...and can afford it.....
BOTTOM LINE 
When my kid gets old enough to hunt, I will find a kid friendly lease......
Time is not wasted if you spend it with the ones you love.
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: kwrhuntinglab]
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01/17/09 09:11 AM
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jhunter77
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The fact that there were opinions stated doesn't always mean someone is pissing and moaning unless you don't like said opinion and then it turns it to said pissing and moaning, which in turn normally turns into what we have here which is a pissing match. I said I agree with the everyone having their own rules but I made the point that there could be other ways to get around the rule SUCH as YOUTH WEEKEND take the kids. If that's pissing and moaning then call the doctor cause I've been pissing now for 2 almost 3 days. When your kids get old enough to hunt I hope that you find a lease to take them. See in my opinion there are alot loyal, do things the way that they were taught when most people had to do work for a land owner or offer some help around the ranchers place to get a spot on a lease. But after I made a comment about no children being allowed on a lease the pompous fellas jumped on their soap boxes to prove a point that can't be proven. The reason I joined this forum is bacause it seemed more to be a brotherhood and in a brotherhood you have differences of opinion, not here it seems there are a few members on here that have to be at the front of every line and have to be heard from every time there are opinions flying around and it's not the one they like.......... JMO
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: jhunter77]
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01/18/09 01:32 AM
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kwrhuntinglab
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The fact that there were opinions stated doesn't always mean someone is pissing and moaning unless you don't like said opinion and then it turns it to said pissing and moaning, which in turn normally turns into what we have here which is a pissing match. I said I agree with the everyone having their own rules but I made the point that there could be other ways to get around the rule SUCH as YOUTH WEEKEND take the kids. If that's pissing and moaning then call the doctor cause I've been pissing now for 2 almost 3 days. When your kids get old enough to hunt I hope that you find a lease to take them.
See in my opinion there are alot loyal, do things the way that they were taught when most people had to do work for a land owner or offer some help around the ranchers place to get a spot on a lease. But after I made a comment about no children being allowed on a lease the pompous fellas jumped on their soap boxes to prove a point that can't be proven.
The reason I joined this forum is bacause it seemed more to be a brotherhood and in a brotherhood you have differences of opinion, not here it seems there are a few members on here that have to be at the front of every line and have to be heard from every time there are opinions flying around and it's not the one they like.......... JMO
Just like brothers....we have our fights and differences..
but I would still share a fire with 99% of the guys on this forum......you included.....
I have been on this forum along dang time and have never met a bad apple......
just a few rotten old ones... 
Time is not wasted if you spend it with the ones you love.
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: kwrhuntinglab]
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01/18/09 01:59 AM
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Big Tony
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C'mon yall. This aint a right or wrong thing. Like I said before I respect all hunters ways and methods, some just aint for me. I aint speaking for no one else. With that being said, I challenge all you no-kids allowed managers to take a kid huntin with you 1 time next season. You won't believe how much fun it can be. I think some of you guys eyes might be opened to a part of hunting you didn't even know existed. I remember when I was that age and got to go hunting. I love to give kids that same feeling. When my kids killed their first animals is a memory that nothing can ever erase from OUR memories. And it's OK if you don't. Like I said, there aint a wrong way to hunt as long as your hunting. I just get a bang out of celebrating my Constitutional right and passing it on to future generations.
"A hunt based only on trophies taken, falls far short of what the ultimate goal should be." -Fred Bear
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: Big Tony]
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01/18/09 06:02 PM
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Dave Davidson
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Right Tony. I've hunted and killed everything but a moose and a bear.
My Grandsons 1st deer and pig was 2 years ago. He was 8 years old. Nothing I have ever done in the outdoors was as memorable as his excitement. He said "Gimme the phone. I gotta call Grandma." Next was Mom, Dad and most of the D/FW and North Texas area.
Everybody ought to do themselves a favor and get in on that feeling.
Without a sense of urgency, nothing ever happens.
Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley, Rancher Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: Dave Davidson]
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01/18/09 07:05 PM
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ggunn1
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just like cigarettes,beer and kids if u dont have one or do it u are against it....u are right about some people on this forum always has to be at the forefront of dissagreements.its called a contrarian...like my 80 year old dad....
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: ggunn1]
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01/19/09 08:27 AM
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stealthfighter1985
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hey guys i'm kinda new to the forums but being a father myself and a hunter i cannot help to wonder why all the complaining and argueing for? whether someone allows kids on they're land or not allow kids on the land is completely they're choice because why............... it's they're land. me personally when i look for a lease or i go to my buddies place kids are in my mind because i would like to pass on the traditions of hunting to them now on the other hand i like hunting alone with the guys too, but i'm not going to cry like a "child" when i can't do what i would like to do on someone else's property. i don't mean to be rude or blunt but having land in our family and doing the lease thing as well means what the land owner's want and how they want they're lease ran is up to them not the leasee so if you don't like that a leaser won't allow kid's then stop crying and find another lease that will let you hunt with your kids, or better yet buy your own land if you can't afford to then you are just at the mercy of the landowner's so please don't cry on the forums about it.
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: kwrhuntinglab]
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01/20/09 06:52 AM
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jigman
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dont worry it will come back to haunt them some dad with lots of cash will come and take the lease away from them.my experience is that almost all land owners love kids to be involved.
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: Patriot15]
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01/20/09 07:13 AM
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Deerhunter61
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That is an easy one. I believe it is because most children now grow up with the idea they make the rules and the parents follow them instead of the other way around...so when children come to the lease excuses are made for bad behavior and the children that either disrupt things or break things are not punished for doing it.
So basically it comes down to a lack of discipline. I am from the old school although I am not that old. I believe parents should be responsible for raising there children and I also believe that "spare the rod spoil the child" is still applicable today. Parents need to start being parents and stop worrying about trying to be their childrens best friend. THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THEIR CHILDS FRIEND! They are supposed to be the parent.
I have never seen so many children that are as disrespectful as the generation coming up now.
Oh....by the way...I know that everyone on this forum has children that are extremely well behaved and this was not intended to offend any of you.
Last edited by Deerhunter61; 01/20/09 07:15 AM.
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: Deerhunter61]
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01/20/09 07:29 AM
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A.B.
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I spend my days teaching and coaching. Kids are kids, they are no worse now then when I went to school. I know this topic has been beat to death. I realize that kids on the lease are not for everyone. I was that way before the kids came along. So I repsect both sides, but I also know where I stand.
Like BMD said "no kids, no future". Most of us learned as kids and someone had to give us the chance to learn this fine sport of hunting.
Talent is a gift, character is a decision.
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: A.B.]
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01/20/09 05:38 PM
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Deerhunter61
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Aggie7734,
You are correct...kids are kids...but kids today are not raised the way they were back in the 60's and 70's when I grew up. At least that is not my experience. Kids today do not say yes sir, no sir. They do not exhibit any manners either. Are there some kids now that have been raised to do so? Yes but by and large they simply do not show respect for others and especially their elders.
Is this the kids fault? NO! They are who and how they are raised. Kids will always be kids...but their behavior will always be determined by the way they were raised.
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: Deerhunter61]
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01/20/09 05:52 PM
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A.B.
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Aggie7734,
You are correct...kids are kids...but kids today are not raised the way they were back in the 60's and 70's when I grew up. At least that is not my experience. Kids today do not say yes sir, no sir. They do not exhibit any manners either. Are there some kids now that have been raised to do so? Yes but by and large they simply do not show respect for others and especially their elders.
Is this the kids fault? NO! They are who and how they are raised. Kids will always be kids...but their behavior will always be determined by the way they were raised.
Kids still have manners out here in Omaha, TX cant speak of anywhere else. If you ever met Haley and Joshua and they dont address you or any other adult properly, then thats their butt. IMO, too many parents are too busy today doing things for themselves. My buddies see hunting as a time to get away from their wife and kids, I see it as a time to hang out with the kids. My wife went hunting one time with me back in 94 and said that was it, you can have this hunting thing. Some of my greatest memories were hunting with my Grand dad and uncle. Still to this day when I see the sunrise in the panhandle, I think of the two men that shaped me into what I am. That is what I want to be in my kids eyes. I never force my children onto my friends and left the lease in Menard for that reason. No bitching or complaining, just made a choice and left.
Talent is a gift, character is a decision.
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: A.B.]
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01/20/09 06:27 PM
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rifleman
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This topic could go on forever. It boils down to landowners have the final say, sometimes it's just the lease members who want to keep it a bachelor pad. Don't like it, don't join the place. No kids, no future is absolutely right. I would just have a hard time staying gone at deer camp on weekends after I have chil'ren. With divorce rate continuing to go up, I wouldn't want sancho to be the one to introduce them to hunting. 
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: rifleman]
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01/20/09 07:13 PM
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JTaylor
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If the landowner or lease manager says no kids... then its no kids... period. While I would never join a lease like that, I believe that people should be able to have those kinds of rules.
I will soon add a new rule to my lease of "no 4-wheelers" since the last group couldn't keep from joy-riding all day long while I wasn't there. I am sure many of you would have a problem with that rule as well.
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: JTaylor]
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01/20/09 07:32 PM
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rifleman
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the "no-4wheelers" depends on the lease..... have to weigh the costs of fixing the roads after getting tore up by trucks rather than folks just driving around on atvs. Our lease has some good roads, but the majority of them are river bottom gumbo, a little rain and a 4wd truck will tear the mess out of them and you pray you hit grass at some point to clean out the tires.
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: rifleman]
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01/21/09 06:46 AM
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Deerhunter61
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Aggie 7734,
I agree with you about the family thing. The good LORD did not see fit to give my wife and I a son but He did bless us with two beautiful daughters that I love dearly. I only wish one of them enjoyed hunting. Unfortunately that is not something they care to do. I have been blessed to have a great father-in-law that I have hunted with ever since my wife and I got married.
I am hoping to one day have a couple of great son-in-laws to hunt with and then hopefully have a few grandsons to hunt with as well.
The lease I am currently on allows for you to bring your family. They are allowed to hunt but they hunt off your tags. We are allowed 1 "Trophy" buck, 1 "Cull" buck and 3 does. And then on top of that as many hogs and varmits as we can take. So all in all it is a pretty good lease and the owner has been pretty great as well.
But I do understand why some owners and even some hunters would not want a bunch of kids running around. If I owned land and leased it I would probably stipulate that only the primary person, the person who paid the money, hunt the first two weeks of the season. After that I would allow family to be brought. That way anyone who wants to really concentrate on getting his trophy would have the first 10 days to do so.
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: Deerhunter61]
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01/22/09 05:29 AM
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passthru
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My son hunts. If a good lease comes along and I decide to take it even though it doesn't allow kids I know there are several places around I can take him to shoot hogs, does and spikes and other exotics also. Yes it would cost more out side the lease costs but if I really am committed to his future in the outdoors then the cost would be worth it.
I do look for family friendly leases though.
Why do so many things on this forum seem to polarize the members to the point of personal attacks. Most of this stuff is personal preference and opinion. Take it easy on each other folks.
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: passthru]
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01/22/09 06:09 AM
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A.B.
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Because we are men and most of us have strong opinions. We all think we are right and we wont back down. 
Talent is a gift, character is a decision.
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: A.B.]
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01/22/09 06:43 AM
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Because we are men and most of us have strong opinions. We all think we are right and we wont back down.
Yes we are all men, which gives the ability as fathers to choose what land or lease we hunt on. There is no one holding a gun to anybodies head that says we must hunt this or that land or lease this or that property. I am typing this as my 3 mo. old son is rolling over for the first time. This only reaffirms my belief in the feelings that all of us fathers share towards our kids. I also have a 10 year old girl, Mallory, and a 4 year old son Kade. Kade can't wait until he's "big" enough t go huntin with his daddy. Mal loves hunting with her daddy too, but she loves spending time with her daddy more than the actual hunting. I'm not asking for a big showing of sympathy, but I also have lost a son at 22 mos. of age. He would have turned 7 on July 24. There is nothing worse in all of this world than burying a child, and I hope that nobody wants to "challenge" me on that point or contradict me just for the sake of argument. I think this is a great site and I personally love all of the good humored and sometimes spirited trash talking that goes on. But I will say this: As fathers and grandfathers this is one topic that I think all of that [censored] can be pushed aside. Our kids are our future, and we are responsible for the future that lays ahead of them. Save the dam bickering for a good ol HF/LF debate and let's raise our kids the way we want to, hunting and fishing in the great State of Texas. 
 Low Expectations Championship Smokers "Look Good Doin' It..."
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: KBTXHunter]
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01/22/09 06:44 AM
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BMD
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: KBTXHunter]
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01/22/09 06:21 PM
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kwrhuntinglab
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Because we are men and most of us have strong opinions. We all think we are right and we wont back down.
Yes we are all men, which gives the ability as fathers to choose what land or lease we hunt on. There is no one holding a gun to anybodies head that says we must hunt this or that land or lease this or that property. I am typing this as my 3 mo. old son is rolling over for the first time. This only reaffirms my belief in the feelings that all of us fathers share towards our kids. I also have a 10 year old girl, Mallory, and a 4 year old son Kade. Kade can't wait until he's "big" enough t go huntin with his daddy. Mal loves hunting with her daddy too, but she loves spending time with her daddy more than the actual hunting. I'm not asking for a big showing of sympathy, but I also have lost a son at 22 mos. of age. He would have turned 7 on July 24. There is nothing worse in all of this world than burying a child, and I hope that nobody wants to "challenge" me on that point or contradict me just for the sake of argument. I think this is a great site and I personally love all of the good humored and sometimes spirited trash talking that goes on. But I will say this: As fathers and grandfathers this is one topic that I think all of that [censored] can be pushed aside. Our kids are our future, and we are responsible for the future that lays ahead of them. Save the dam bickering for a good ol HF/LF debate and let's raise our kids the way we want to, hunting and fishing in the great State of Texas.
Amen......
and if they want to have a lease without kids.....that is their right.....
We will choose to find another lease.....
Time is not wasted if you spend it with the ones you love.
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: kwrhuntinglab]
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01/22/09 06:54 PM
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Big Tony
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I asked a question on the 2nd page of this thread and nobody answered it. If kids aren't allowed on the lease how do we promote our sport? Do we not promote our sport? IMO I think that if hunting numbers drop, the cost will rise. With that being said, Maybe if the numbers rise so will the price. Who knows. But know this, when the hunting numbers in Texas drop, that fuels the Anti's to take away this great sport we all love so much. I truly believe that life without hunting would be alot shorter for me.
"A hunt based only on trophies taken, falls far short of what the ultimate goal should be." -Fred Bear
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: KBTXHunter]
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01/23/09 02:58 AM
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Dave Davidson
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My condolences on your loss. I think one of the hardest things around would be to outlive your children. I can't even imagine it.
Without a sense of urgency, nothing ever happens.
Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley, Rancher Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: KBTXHunter]
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01/23/09 06:00 AM
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No I will not argue that burying a child is not the worst thing in the world. Im sorry you and yours had to endure such an event. My sister in law buried her only son in 2004, Zak was 13 and it left a hole that is still there.
Talent is a gift, character is a decision.
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Re: NO KIDS ALLOWED???
[Re: kwrhuntinglab]
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01/24/09 07:41 AM
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xxxhunter
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No one will ever get money from me if I can't bring my son
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