Show me none of them turning in to 170

no... don't shoot them unless you have to many deer... or your hungry

The myth of the runt.......

I can do that with pics of the last ranch I managed since 100% of the spikes were killed as well as every buck with 5 points or less. How many pics do you want to see? I have all day and can fill this thread full of pics if you want me to? But I would still rather see all those spikes that turned into 170+ buck you have.

I have seen spikes on ranches were fawns were born in late April up into August. Do you know what the differnce in them were? They all still had spikes. Some were longer spikes than other and the ones born in April were much larger bodied. Wanta try again?

Heck it will take you a while to find 10 pictures of spikes that turned into 170+ bucks.

You better get the pop corn truck out of the garage Ranchman.

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I used to think "once a spike always a spike" until a couple of guys who raise deer
showed me a couple of deer that were spike at 1.5 yeas old.

The one guy had a couple of fawns that were born late and had small spike antlers at 1.5 and the next year the deer were around 140"s.

The other guy had a buck that had 13" spikes at 2.5, he said the buck had gotten sick and that is all he grew, That buck was a 170" 3.5 year old.

Now I understand that these are farm breed deer but I think if a deer that gets all the food an nutrition it wants and does not have the stress of a wild deer can be a spike then I would think that a wild deer could easily be a spike and have still have good genetics.

Still waiting on pics of the 170+ bucks that were spikes.....

lol

I'm sure someone has ran into this before raising deer in a high fence area. TPWD has never tagged deer and done research for this purpose?

Hu?

I'm asking if research has ever been done a tagged spike to know it's growth year after year? It'd be quite difficult to prove otherwise as someone previously mentioned.

I think they "COULD" possibly grow into a nice buck. But for sheer numbers sake the odds are against them. So just take the spike and enjoy that tasty lil backstrap. If yall wanna let it pass cudos to you. But like the meat and there's still plenty of nice bucks available

Not as long as it is going to take Texas Dan to actually show us a picture of a deer hitting 170 on his place. Since he has never seen a browse line, and his deer have fat under the skin, he assumes he is under CC... Maybe he should let a few get to late maturity to express what genetics they might actually process, to see what he is working with instead of trying to manage yearlings.

You know as well as I do that many of the type deer that "get" you and I with straight slick 8pt frames probably fit the none multi point yearling genetic that Kerr so happily line breed, and reports on.

Regardless of yours and I's thoughts on yearling harvest... It's pointless with the limited resources and the acreage most hunt on.

Most would better served with getting as many bucks to full maturity or spending their tags on doe harvest then thinking the can control genetics

Did these guys who raise deer also have yearling bucks that had 6 or 8 pts? How did the spikes compare to them?

Yes it's been done. In STX and cross plains area.

And the results indicate?

Those true spike genetic bucks can't compare to those yearling bucks with 8,10 or more points. Just can't. The real question to ask is how many of those yearlings that were spikes were later used as breeder bucks? Then ask why they were not used as breeder bucks?

What they wanted to prove going in. When others interpreted the results on many of these studies and other studies on culling, they showed different results from the data.

googled 'giant spike deer'

If you like him then keep him another year till he grows into to something "special", cause you will get more that look just like him. I would really want a whole pasture full of bucks like this. How about you BOBO?

There are simply too many variables that will contribute to yearling bucks being spikes to justify shooting each and every one of them. Each variable is a product of the environment and has absolutely nothing to do with genetics. For example:
1. Born In August vs. born in May.
2. Was orphaned at 30 days vs. being fully weaned.
3. Was the smallest of a group of tripletts.
4. Doe was a poor milker.
5. Poor habitat conditions during the first 18 months of life.

Yearlings spikes are not genetically inferior and should not be culled under the pretense of genetic manipulation. Genetics cannot be altered under low fenced conditions via a bullet.

Stx nailed it. They lost a bunch to culling on neighboring ranches but had a few spikes break 150. Several ways to take it.

150 is a huge deer but is it huge when same ranch has produced a couple 170-180? Me 150 is still a really big deer.