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Re: Let's talk .257 wby [Re: txtrophy85] #5533196 01/10/15 11:19 PM
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This is what I was talking about. All this flatest shooting cartridge this, magical curved shoulder that, and none of it makes a difference.

I stand by my statements. Get a range finder and practice, practice, practice. The 257 weatherby is a cartridge for guys who don't put in the range time, and who don't pull the trigger often. If you want to shoot a deer inside 200 yards with a 257 weatherby, sounds great. But touting it as the greatest thing ever is silly at best.

The cost of ammo and barrel life simply will not allow for ethical hunting at medium ranges.


It costs me $3.30 every time I pull the trigger. I don't see how it plays into ethics the price of ammo

I pull the trigger enough to matter. I've killed over 100 big game animals why would need to shoot more?


Be honest with yourself, how many of those 100 animals were in between 300-500 yards? Could you have not done the same thing with a plain jane 30-06 and better bullets? Because this is the range where the flat shooting 257 weatherby is supposed to shine.

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This is what I was talking about. All this flatest shooting cartridge this, magical curved shoulder that, and none of it makes a difference.

I stand by my statements. Get a range finder and practice, practice, practice. The 257 weatherby is a cartridge for guys who don't put in the range time, and who don't pull the trigger often. If you want to shoot a deer inside 200 yards with a 257 weatherby, sounds great. But touting it as the greatest thing ever is silly at best.

The cost of ammo and barrel life simply will not allow for ethical hunting at medium ranges.


The 257 Weatherby is for people that like the 257 Weatherby.

Tell us, what calibers are acceptable to the discerning hunter? I may have been killing animals all wrong this whole time. Goodness, my 7 STW could be a complete work of the devil, now that my eyes have been opened.


Just about any centerfire rifle cartridge would do. I am just advocating range time in field conditions. Can you find fault in that?

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Too bad you weren't around to steer Roy Weatherby in the right direction, damned fool that he was.


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Too bad you weren't around to steer Roy Weatherby in the right direction, damned fool that he was.


Would have saved me a ton of money.


Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
Re: Let's talk .257 wby [Re: 6.5x47Lapua] #5533279 01/11/15 12:00 AM
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The cost of ammo and barrel life simply will not allow for ethical hunting at medium ranges.


Isn't it amazing that I've been shooting Weatherby's for over 45 years and I've yet to shoot a barrel out. I've also managed for 45 years not to need a rangfinder, but I have wore out allot of skinning knives. I shoot Weatherby's because they are fast and flat and have served me well over the many years. If you need all that practice then by all means go ahead, some of us don't. As far as the ammo price I don't give a rats arse it's not important.
You keep telling everybody else what they should be shooting and we'll just keep filling our tag's with our old junky worthless 70 year old Weatherby's.


Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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I don't plan on shooting mine much (accumark), I don't like the only load I found that it likes.
try the nosler trophy grade line


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This is what I was talking about. All this flatest shooting cartridge this, magical curved shoulder that, and none of it makes a difference.

I stand by my statements. Get a range finder and practice, practice, practice. The 257 weatherby is a cartridge for guys who don't put in the range time, and who don't pull the trigger often. If you want to shoot a deer inside 200 yards with a 257 weatherby, sounds great. But touting it as the greatest thing ever is silly at best.

The cost of ammo and barrel life simply will not allow for ethical hunting at medium ranges.


The 257 Weatherby is for people that like the 257 Weatherby.

Tell us, what calibers are acceptable to the discerning hunter? I may have been killing animals all wrong this whole time. Goodness, my 7 STW could be a complete work of the devil, now that my eyes have been opened.


Just about any centerfire rifle cartridge would do. I am just advocating range time in field conditions. Can you find fault in that?


I couldn't find fault in that, if that had been what you were doing.

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The cost of ammo and barrel life simply will not allow for ethical hunting at medium ranges.


Isn't it amazing that I've been shooting Weatherby's for over 45 years and I've yet to shoot a barrel out. I've also managed for 45 years not to need a rangfinder, but I have wore out allot of skinning knives. I shoot Weatherby's because they are fast and flat and have served me well over the many years. If you need all that practice then by all means go ahead, some of us don't. As far as the ammo price I don't give a rats arse it's not important.
You keep telling everybody else what they should be shooting and we'll just keep filling our tag's with our old junky worthless 70 year old Weatherby's.


I will ask the same question again. How many of your kills have been between 300-500 yards? After all, this is THE reason for buying a flat shooting rifle.

Even a 4-5 moa rifle will kill a deer at 100 yards. The 30-30 is a good example of this.

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This is what I was talking about. All this flatest shooting cartridge this, magical curved shoulder that, and none of it makes a difference.

I stand by my statements. Get a range finder and practice, practice, practice. The 257 weatherby is a cartridge for guys who don't put in the range time, and who don't pull the trigger often. If you want to shoot a deer inside 200 yards with a 257 weatherby, sounds great. But touting it as the greatest thing ever is silly at best.

The cost of ammo and barrel life simply will not allow for ethical hunting at medium ranges.


It costs me $3.30 every time I pull the trigger. I don't see how it plays into ethics the price of ammo

I pull the trigger enough to matter. I've killed over 100 big game animals why would need to shoot more?


Be honest with yourself, how many of those 100 animals were in between 300-500 yards? Could you have not done the same thing with a plain jane 30-06 and better bullets? Because this is the range where the flat shooting 257 weatherby is supposed to shine.


About 2-3 animals were taken over 300

But now my hunting areas have changed and I wanted a flatter shooting rig

Shame on me

You buy equipment based on worst case scenario you may encounter not the best


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Nothing besides My drop at that distance is 1.3 mils or 21.3 inches. With the 115 WBY advertises as their highest BC on their website the drop would have been 1.8 mils or 29 inches so I would assume that made the 22 creed "flatter shooting" since it has 7 inches less of rise at that distance??


Here in lies another problem, you go to their heavier bullet and use BC as the reason. I'm a hunter and BC don't mean a damn thing to me I want performance on game. My personal favorites for whitetails are the 80 and 87 grain rounds both I suspect shoot flatter than your 75 grain 22 cal. He's talking a flat shooting hunting round with bullets designed for performance on game.


Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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You praise the bullets terminal ballistics when the subject is external ballistics. Two different subjects. Entirely.


He's completely missed that part.


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Re: Let's talk .257 wby [Re: 6.5x47Lapua] #5533424 01/11/15 12:44 AM
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How many of your kills have been between 300-500 yards?


Several, what's your point? Hunt very much out here in West Texas and you'll get allot of long shots.


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"Flat shooting" should go away as a term used. If you're going to shoot distance learn how to correct for elevation. What matters is which one gets pushed by the wind more, then which one retains the most energy on the animal at "X" distance. All of these come down to BC, the ability to maintain velocity.

In factory offerings the 7 Rem Mag with a 168 gr is a mighty fine example.


That's all good and well but when that buck steps out in a sendero at 400 yards it's a lot easier to compensate for a 12" drop than a 20" drop when you have just seconds to range it and shoot


Fals. If you have time to range it you have time to hold or dial correctly for it. 400 for one of mine is 1.8 Mil. If it didn't drop as much I'd dial or hold less.


Yea and by the time you've got your range dialed in that buck is gone. One of the reasons I shoot Weatherby's is because I don't have time to mess with a range finder or worry about having to dial in my scope. I know it's trajectory and can guess the range close enough to put one in the heart/lung or shoulder inside of 500 yards and can do it almost instantly. That's the advantage of having a flat shooting rifle it's very for giving.


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Why do you guys keep saying certain calibers have better BCs than other calibers? Isn't BC determined by bullet form and sectional density? So you can get the same BC for any caliber with the right bullet.


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"Flat shooting" should go away as a term used. If you're going to shoot distance learn how to correct for elevation. What matters is which one gets pushed by the wind more, then which one retains the most energy on the animal at "X" distance. All of these come down to BC, the ability to maintain velocity.

In factory offerings the 7 Rem Mag with a 168 gr is a mighty fine example.


That's all good and well but when that buck steps out in a sendero at 400 yards it's a lot easier to compensate for a 12" drop than a 20" drop when you have just seconds to range it and shoot


Fals. If you have time to range it you have time to hold or dial correctly for it. 400 for one of mine is 1.8 Mil. If it didn't drop as much I'd dial or hold less.


Yea and by the time you've got your range dialed in that buck is gone. One of the reasons I shoot Weatherby's is because I don't have time to mess with a range finder or worry about having to dial in my scope. I know it's trajectory and can guess the range close enough to put one in the heart/lung or shoulder inside of 500 yards and can do it almost instantly. That's the advantage of having a flat shooting rifle it's very for giving.


You do't think I can estimate range? And CAN hold the proper elevation to compensate for said range? If you think I can't, you're wrong. The whole BS point of so called "flat shooting" cartridges is for those that don't eant to put in the time and effort to learn what it takes to quit guessing and KNOW where that bullet will impact at various ranges and KNOW what to do to allow for it. I'm not in the business of close enough because I hate tracking.

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How many of your kills have been between 300-500 yards?


Several, what's your point? Hunt very much out here in West Texas and you'll get allot of long shots.


The point was simple, you stated you have never worn out a weatherby barrel. That leaves two possible scenario's. 1 is you haven't shot the rifle much, or 2 the rifle doesn't need to be accurate for the ranges you are hunting. This is where my 4-5 moa rifle at 100 yards will still kill a deer comment comes from.

My family's ranch is in Brownwood. We have plenty of open space. So much so, that I need a range finder when hunting pigs.

I'm not much of a deer hunter, and haven't taken any over 200 yards. Pigs are another story.

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Why do you guys keep saying certain calibers have better BCs than other calibers? Isn't BC determined by bullet form and sectional density? So you can get the same BC for any caliber with the right bullet.


You are correct, the problem is bullet makers don't offer quality bc bullets in 257 and to a lesser extent 270. Bullet manufacturers have been competing for years to come out with the latest greatest 6mm, 6.5mm, 7mm, 30 cal, and 338 cal bullets. This competition amongst bullet makers has benefited the shooter in a real way.

Slow factory twist rates have also played into this debate as well.

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I see, thanks for the explanation. It seems odd the 25 cal. would be neglected, although I can understand why .270 would be, since the .270 WCF, .270 Weatherby, and .270 WSM are meant for hunting game at practical ranges.


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How many of your kills have been between 300-500 yards?


Several, what's your point? Hunt very much out here in West Texas and you'll get allot of long shots.


The point was simple, you stated you have never worn out a weatherby barrel. That leaves two possible scenario's. 1 is you haven't shot the rifle much, or 2 the rifle doesn't need to be accurate for the ranges you are hunting. This is where my 4-5 moa rifle at 100 yards will still kill a deer comment comes from.

My family's ranch is in Brownwood. We have plenty of open space. So much so, that I need a range finder when hunting pigs.

I'm not much of a deer hunter, and haven't taken any over 200 yards. Pigs are another story.


It seems both of your scenario's are incorrect but that doesn't surprise me since your doing so much assuming.


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A lot of you rifle/bench guys' posts are starting to sound like y'all are the only ones who know how to shoot. Keep in mind you may not always know the story of that guy you are talking down to.

Just sayin'....


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A lot of you rifle/bench guys' posts are starting to sound like y'all are the only ones who know how to shoot. Keep in mind you may not always know the story of that guy you are talking down to.

Just sayin'....


I'm thinking the same thing.

It's getting old hearing the same old talk about BC's and sectional densities. They don't apply in real world hunting situations.


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This is what I was talking about. All this flatest shooting cartridge this, magical curved shoulder that, and none of it makes a difference.

I stand by my statements. Get a range finder and practice, practice, practice. The 257 weatherby is a cartridge for guys who don't put in the range time, and who don't pull the trigger often. If you want to shoot a deer inside 200 yards with a 257 weatherby, sounds great. But touting it as the greatest thing ever is silly at best.

The cost of ammo and barrel life simply will not allow for ethical hunting at medium ranges.


It's not the greatest rifle ever, no rifle is the greatest .

How many rifle can you hold hair to 400yards?

How many shot you actually think it takes to shoot out a 257wby barrel?


The 257wby is designed to be a one stop shop from 0-400 yards... Nothing more nothing less. It does it well with out over complicating things.


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If you have time to range it you have time to hold or dial correctly for it. 400 for one of mine is 1.8 Mil. If it didn't drop as much I'd dial or hold less.


Those are your words not mine. And thank you, when they start demeaning my Roy's I'll jump out of the brush. I've only had to track 2 in just a little over 50 years and lost them both, it wasn't bad placement that caused it but bad caliber and bullet selection. One of the reasons I like my 257's and 300's so much is because they hit hard and deliver allot of damage, had I been shooting my Weatherby's in those two cases they would not have been lost.


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This is what I was talking about. All this flatest shooting cartridge this, magical curved shoulder that, and none of it makes a difference.

I stand by my statements. Get a range finder and practice, practice, practice. The 257 weatherby is a cartridge for guys who don't put in the range time, and who don't pull the trigger often. If you want to shoot a deer inside 200 yards with a 257 weatherby, sounds great. But touting it as the greatest thing ever is silly at best.

The cost of ammo and barrel life simply will not allow for ethical hunting at medium ranges.


It's not the greatest rifle ever, no rifle is the greatest .

How many rifle can you hold hair to 400yards?

How many shot you actually think it takes to shoot out a 257wby barrel?


The 257wby is designed to be a one stop shop from 0-400 yards... Nothing more nothing less. It does it well with out over complicating things.


But how can that be? It doesent have high ballistic coefficisncy or sectional density

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A lot of you rifle/bench guys' posts are starting to sound like y'all are the only ones who know how to shoot. Keep in mind you may not always know the story of that guy you are talking down to.

Just sayin'....


Shhh! Let them have their fun. There's some old boys on here were shooting competition before they were born and interestingly enough with 6.5's. My personal favorite was the 6.5-284.

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