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 Re: culling does
[Re: The crappinator]
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01/15/09 04:46 AM
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Like CH it doesn't matter...Unless you might think they would be in better condition earlier in the season.
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Re: culling does
[Re: buster2balls]
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01/15/09 05:57 AM
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When you see her, shoot her.
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Re: culling does
[Re: buster2balls]
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01/15/09 06:45 AM
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Whenever Im in the mood sounds good to me. Does it really matter?
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Re: culling does
[Re: A.B.]
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01/15/09 07:07 AM
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MaggieMTx
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+1 For what CH said....also we wait til later in the season due to the fact (here) we have seen some big doe breed AND fawn late....and by taking them later, if she has a young fawn, it will better survive AND the fawn will be there for next seasons. Plus if we wait til after the rut, if the doe is "hot" she'll bring in the big boy/boys.  (example below)
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Re: culling does
[Re: The crappinator]
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01/15/09 07:27 AM
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rstewlandman
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I like to kill em early for a totally different reason. Usually opening weekend the rut has not started you see a lot of doe and they are often easy to shoot, during the rut, I personally look at a doe and instantly look to see whats behind her, late in the season doe are skiddish of bucks, the last hunt we took this year I didn't see one doe at a feeder, this is menard county, corn is like crack here, I did kill a couple of doe that weekend but it was hard. and all the nubbers and young spikes were very visible. I also like the idea of killin them early to ease the pressure of meat, get the edge off, gain confidence....for manzagement reasons I say its a wash, other than the possibility of killin a nub,
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Re: culling does
[Re: rstewlandman]
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01/15/09 07:34 AM
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I also like the idea of killin them early to ease the pressure of meat, get the edge off,
I wondered if any one was going to mention that.
JMO, but I believe that if more folks would go ahead and shoot a doe opening morning/day, it would make it easier for them to then wait around for a good buck, because they have gotten some meat and taken the edge off, and are not so anxious.
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Re: culling does
[Re: Crazyhorse]
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01/15/09 07:46 AM
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TXBowhunter1
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a doe we shot this weekend had 2 babies. it was pretty neat to see. i even took pictures. 3 deer one shot. chicken fried vealison.
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Re: culling does
[Re: Crazyhorse]
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01/15/09 07:52 AM
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A little OT...
I had a tree stand that I built up in a big oak on my place neer Voca. Every year for three years strait I had a doe that would come up from the east down a fence line and poke her head out look right at me up in that tree and bust me. She would blow and make all sorts of racket. I know it was her everytime. She had two small doe that would follow her around. Well one day she came up the fence line and I guess she was not on her "A" game cause she didn't bust me so I busted her. It was personal with that doe. She tasted real good in that jalapeno/cheese summer sausage
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Re: culling does
[Re: BradyBuck]
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01/15/09 07:56 AM
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Last edited by BradyBuck60; 01/15/09 07:58 AM.
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Re: culling does
[Re: BradyBuck]
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01/15/09 08:15 AM
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MaggieMTx
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dang BB looks like you need to have a season of doe only
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Re: culling does
[Re: MaggieMTx]
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01/15/09 08:20 AM
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BradyBuck
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I don't hunt that place much anymore much since I started coaching up here in Post. The last day I hunted it I took three does of of it one evening in about 10 min during the doe and spike season. I bet the ratio was at least 10:1
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Re: culling does
[Re: BradyBuck]
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01/15/09 08:40 AM
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I think the idea of culling does pre-rut is to keep your bucks from wasting their energy breeding does that will later be culled. Maybe if I was hunting high fence I would do that but I'd prefer to keep as many does around during the rut as possible. Plus it's easier to process your does later in the season when the weather cools.
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Re: culling does
[Re: The crappinator]
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01/15/09 04:28 PM
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ChrisHen
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ya before the rut. its always better to draw blood early for good luck! lol
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Re: culling does
[Re: BradyBuck]
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01/15/09 05:45 PM
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here is what can happen if every hunter around you within 40 miles shoots every buck they see and wont cull any doe. It was like this at every feeder. 10-15 does no bucks.. 
same thing happens a lot in coke county!
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Re: culling does
[Re: ChrisHen]
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01/15/09 05:47 PM
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I make all lease members shoot one doe before they shoot a buck. Several reasons, more feed available to bucks, will see more rut activity/movement, better response to rattling/estrous scents, and to put meat in their freezer. Didnt do it this year and now i am getting hounded by some to want to shoot some younger deer, cuz they dont have any meat, which I wont allow regardless...wont be a problem next year though!
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Re: culling does
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01/15/09 10:43 PM
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Another reason to cull does is that you can change the genetic makeup of part of your herd. Does on our place seem to be fairly territorial. If you take out a good number of does, different bloodlines will filter in to take their place. With this in mind, you can alter the makeup of your herd and hopefully change the bloodlines a bit to keep the herd from becoming inbred.
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Re: culling does
[Re: cody]
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01/15/09 10:58 PM
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Too costly Cody. TP&WD won't endorse that method unless there is something I don't know about. We've had a kill-off before with a helocopter to get the ratio right but to harvest a doe or even two at a time would be a fine waste of money. This has to be a plan you guys came up with, right?
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Re: culling does
[Re: Cool_Hand]
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01/15/09 11:08 PM
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rifleman
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A doe could already be bred before rifle season even opens, so just shoot them at some point before food sources get scarce.
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Re: culling does
[Re: rifleman]
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01/16/09 04:55 AM
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This has long been debated at our ranch... We have had different Ranch Managers with different theories.... We have finally adopted a 50% pre rut 50% post rut system...
Not sure if this was mentioned, but you don't want to shoot a Doe before they can raise their fawns to a size where they evade predators.
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Re: culling does
[Re: Cuatro Esquinas Clabam]
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01/16/09 05:22 AM
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but you don't want to shoot a Doe before they can raise their fawns to a size where they evade predators.
TP&W has pretty well made that a non-option.
Unless you are on an MLD property, you can't start shooting until the end of sept. and you are SUPPOSED to be thru before the end of February.
If a doe is running around with fawns that small, between those dates, do we really want those genetics passed along???????
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Re: culling does
[Re: Cool_Hand]
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01/16/09 06:10 PM
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Too costly Cody. TP&WD won't endorse that method unless there is something I don't know about. We've had a kill-off before with a helocopter to get the ratio right but to harvest a doe or even two at a time would be a fine waste of money. This has to be a plan you guys came up with, right?
It's not too bad. We bought our own helicopter (man, those things are expensive) so all we're paying is fuel. Here are some pictures, we've kind of started our own "club".
Helicopter on doe cull...
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We call ourselves....SkyCoyote!
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Re: culling does
[Re: Crazyhorse]
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01/16/09 06:35 PM
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rifleman
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We usually get 130-150 permits and we are usually finished with the doe slaughter by the end of December. We do see a lot of young fawns on our lease during season, but I think it has something to do with having a lot of young does on the place since there are fines in place for shooting a doe that is less than 2.5 yrs old.
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Re: culling does
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01/16/09 06:51 PM
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On an overall management plan the doe harvest should be BEFORE the rut. Most of the doe harvest and the management buck harvest should be done prior to any breeding activity. I know this is not always possible but I try to shoot for 75% or better before the rut period.
On another note I am not sure who is shooting doe "fawns" but I have never seen that prescribed in a management plan...
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Re: culling does
[Re: buster2balls]
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01/16/09 10:32 PM
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IMO, you do your doe culling when your knife is sharp and the smokehouse is empty! I believe it does not matter if they are bred or not when they are removed. There will be some that don't agree with me but I just don't see the difference!
High fence, low fence, no fence, it really doesn't matter as long as you're hunting!
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Re: culling does
[Re: ILUVBIGBUCKS]
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01/17/09 07:26 AM
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IMO, you do your doe culling when your knife is sharp and the smokehouse is empty! I believe it does not matter if they are bred or not when they are removed. There will be some that don't agree with me but I just don't see the difference!
The concept is not that they are bred or not...it is that you want to maximize the percentage of doe being bred by the mature bucks. Now...for this type of management plan to work you have to be culling your buck herd and have the biggest percentage of your mature bucks in the trophy class and not inferior.
This would reason that it is better to get the biggest majority of your doe and cull buck harvest completed before the rut....Keep playing the numbers game and it will improve over the long term.
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