My knobs get moved all the time when taking them out of a scabbard, or crawling around thick brush. Happens on my Razor and the ss 3-9. The weaver addresses that issue with locking knobs, but they are still too tall. This is why I am so adamant about having a covered windage knob and a zero stop on the elevation. One day those damn knobs are going to cost me meat in the freezer......

My NF never moves and I'm not easy on it.

Dee, I'm not trying to be rude here, but how many hiking miles has your nightforce rode in a scabbard, or pushed through thorn tickets? When I think about thorns and thick vines, I picture the Ouchita national forest in Arkansas. Those thorns just grab onto anything and everything, and it makes a prime environment for loosing ones windage zero. I am new here, and just trying to get a grasp of your type of hunting.

Even Nightforce themselves installed a low profile covered windage knob on there hunting series of scopes, the G7. I very much like that aspect of the G7, even if the adjustments and reticle aren't to my liking.

Also, how often do you dial wind in a hunting situation? I have heard rumor of people who dial wind for each shot, but most of those guys are f class or benchrest type shooters.

I love the low profile turrets and illumination. I figured, buy once and cry once

Tye, you will get no arguments from me. Very nice setup. If only that mark 6 would have been out when I bought my razor.

Mine is carried across my chest with a TAB sling and flush cups. I haven't gone up any mountains but have gone through briar and thick underbrush along creeks in Texas and Oklahoma. I don't think I have ever dialed for wind nor do I plan to start. The adjustments are very stiff and need to be deliberately turned. My older Bushnell Elite is no where near this way nor is my Leupold MK4. They are just not up to the same standard the newer Bushnell however seem to be.

You mentioned it, why not try the Elite Tactical ERS 4.5-30x 50mm Side Focus Mil-Dot?

Illumination required?

Dee, if you don't ever plan on dialing wind, would you welcome a capped windage knob like the one found on the g7? Or would you rather have an exposed turret that could move on you, but hasn't as of yet? Just curious. No wrong answers here.

I'm not sure if that question was directed towards me or not, but I will answer it anways. The ERS 4.5-30 just doesn't fit many of the requirements I want in a hunting scope. I wouldn't mind having that scope for a UKD target only rifle. It's just too heavy, bulky, and has excessive magnification for my version of a perfect hunting optic.

Illumination is not required. I rarely if ever use a lit reticle, except for my trijicon 3-9 mildot. I don't even bother changing out the batteries in most of my scopes anymore.

Nothing wrong with the Bushnell LRHS, good scope, just bought one. Shot one on a buddy's rifle, and I have their 3x21 tac with the Horus 59, on one of my guns....bought mine for $950 shipped to my door.

I'd prefer capped but not sure if the g7 is the answer as I haven't looked into them. The LRHS will be at the top of the list once the moa version hits the street.

Having shot several Tac style matches I have learned volumes from very good shooters. And one item has been to dial wind when unstable. So if you're only slung up or on an unsteady support (barricade) dial wind. Other than that, I hold wind. Soon as you commit to a wind dial the wind will change and you gotta reach up and correct it before sending the round. Its a double edged sword.

Getting a Leupold Mark 6 3-18 in on Monday to run on my new WC 308 18"
I have played with one but never ran one..
Of the reticles they had in stock I went with the CMR 7.62 though the TMR was my first choice.
Mainly a hunting rifle that I might do some casual competition with.

Oh, I will add that the Nightforce NSX 2.5-10x42's turrets don't accidentally turn.

I have shot a few TXPRC matches in 2012, 2013. Only time I broke into the top ten was in the finale at rifle ranch. I definitely learned a few tricks, and I still use my Razor for range work. I love going to the range and ringing still, but the TXPRC just wasn't my thing.

What I have outlined in this thread is my version of the perfect hunting scope. I can't see myself hunting for pigs off a barricade, a roof top, or a john boat attached to coil springs.

You got no imagination of a barricade. Translate those barricade learned skills into hunting.

How about shooting from a tree branch 2' or 3' off the ground? A fence post, barb wire, the side of a flatbed trailer, the hood of a pickup, , the tailgate, out the passenger window while still sitting in the drivers' seat, out the drivers' side window while still sitting in the drivers' seat (hardest one putting the butt of the rifle in your elbow).

That's how I teach guys on my range. I learned how to adapt to get stable using what is around you. Thus the reason I have a barricade in 1' increments, 1' to 4'. The stair step you've probably shot from. Learn the techniques to shoot from those barricades and translate their use while hunting. So I use a Mil/ Mil FFP for all rifle shooting, including hunting. And I realize what you have outlined, and I agree for the most part. I would like for my Viper PST windage knob to lock on zero for 95% of my shots. It won't, so I keep a watchful eye on it.

I hear what you are saying..
Too many people cant shoot unless they are on a bench.
I have been teaching my boys to learn to shoot off of improvised rests and to be wuick about it.

3 gun taught me how to shoot fast off hand and why I really like the ergos of an AR.

I would love to come up and shoot with you sometime.
I would love to get into the PRS stuff just havent made it a priority.

Say when.

I'm building a shop there, and there's always other work to do. So I'm there more days of a week than I am not.

Point well taken. The matches just weren't my thing.

I practice in a variety of positions, and have taken my fair share of shots from fence posts, rocks, etc. Participating in matches definitely helped in that regard.

LOOKS LIKE MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. Nightforce just about nailed everything I want except for the weight and price. Can't believe it. Time to start saving.

4-16 ATACR, ED glass,low profile elevation, capped windage knob, and ffp.


http://nightforceoptics.com/atacr/4-16x42-f1

It's about time.

Saw that late yesterday. I'm a bit interested to say the least.

It's about time. I was actually looking at the ATACR when it was SFP. I chose the Leupold mark 6 because of the FFP. I guess they are seeing that people are wanting FFP scopes

Although it doesn't interest me much, Nightforce is also offering a atacr 5-25 f1.

For the high magnification guys.
http://nightforceoptics.com/atacr/5-25×56-f1

Looks like both of these new scopes are going to be made in the USA too.

I hate yall. I opened the link.

I want one!

That's a hella of a hunting scope Imo
I wonder about that versus the mark 6