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 Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
[Re: Jasb]
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That comment was made by a man speaking for himself and not for the organization. He was speaking about the attitude of individuals with in the ATF organization who feel that our rights don't mean anything and they have the right to kick in your door at any time to assert their authority whether justified or not.
That said. . .
I think Wayne LaPierre is a poor representative for the average gun owner but he has money, is respected by the gun manufacturers and effective at lobbying for our cause. Whether I like him or even respect him does not change his effectiveness and does not change the fact that the NRA fights for your gun rights whether you support them or not.
Another fact in that is that all of us contributing members sink millions of dollars every year into the fight against gun control while folks like you reap the benefits without sacrifice, effort or involvement.
Sit on the side lines and hope for the best. Those of us who know that we have to do some things we don't like to keep what we have hopefully can do enough to save ourselves and even those of you who have looked hard enough to find a excuse not to contribute.
And for all of you fooling yourselves by saying it can't happen to us understand it has happened all over the world. The United Nations is pushing this agenda and the liberal side of our political system supports sacrificing our national soverienty to the UN.
Join now, renew now and contribute what you can be it $10 every couple of months or more. Make no mistake ladies and gentlemen, we are in a fight. Don't allow yourself to get sucker punched.
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
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The NRA is a joke.
The NRA solicits big money, but it seems like they get nothing done in congress. Everytime a "liberal" is elected or appointed to a major position the NRA and gun companies start the "they are going to take our guns away!!!!" b.s.
They only do it to increase membership/ sell more guns.
It actually is a pretty good marketing move on their part.
Come on guys. Never will all guns be banned here in the USA.
They are playing on our fear of loosing guns.
Oh, by the way, this is just my opinion..
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
[Re: Bonehead]
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The moment the government trys to disarm citizens is precisely why the second ammendment is there in the first place.
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
[Re: longhorn_cop]
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The NRA is a joke.
The NRA solicits big money, but it seems like they get nothing done in congress. Everytime a "liberal" is elected or appointed to a major position the NRA and gun companies start the "they are going to take our guns away!!!!" b.s.
They only do it to increase membership/ sell more guns.
It actually is a pretty good marketing move on their part.
Come on guys. Never will all guns be banned here in the USA.
They are playing on our fear of loosing guns.
Oh, by the way, this is just my opinion..
I see your point, but I gotta' disagree vehemently. They do nothing? Do we still have our guns? Still have the ability to buy guns? We do.....and that is an accomplishment in and of itself. While I don't agree 100% with every stance ever profferred by the NRA, I do support them and know that their existence is vital to keeping our 2nd Amendment freedoms.
Like it or not, there are many, many people currently in a position to do something about it who would like nothing better than to take that away from all of us and remove or at least reword the 2nd Amendment. How do I know this? Well, for one, they've said so.
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
[Re: Jasb]
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If they made a gun ban, would we all then break the law of the US and risk time in prison? I don't think I would!
I wouldn't have to worry about it. I don't have any guns. Should I repeat that louder and slower for the Narcs?
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
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If they made a gun ban, would we all then break the law of the US and risk time in prison? I don't think I would!
I wouldn't have to worry about it. I don't have any guns. Should I repeat that louder and slower for the Narcs?
I don't have any either. I lost all my guns in a canoeing accident.
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
[Re: uthornfan]
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If they made a gun ban, would we all then break the law of the US and risk time in prison? I don't think I would!
I wouldn't have to worry about it. I don't have any guns. Should I repeat that louder and slower for the Narcs?
I don't have any either. I lost all my guns in a canoeing accident.
We all say that and then if it happens and you see people go to jail you might change your tune!! 
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
[Re: Jasb]
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Well all I can say is that I am an American citizen born and raised, Pay my taxes every year, Never been to jail, Obey every law besides a few speed limits hell I even work for the good ol' State of Texas. With that said there should never be anyone bust through my door with warrants or to take anything that I bought with my money that is stealing, For that you get shot on site regardless of who you are... Anyone busting in my door is going to be met with hot lead and alot of it. So all I can say is come take my guns I dare you I wouldn't feel to bad either considering most government officals are more crooked than actual criminals. JMO of course 
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
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The ACLU gets it right some of the time. But, mostly, it stands up for liberal/socialist ideas that are un-American. Just because they get it right some of the time doesn't mean I can support them.
Join the NRA!
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
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they will be extremly sorry if they do! im not convinced they have the votes yet. maybe they do but i certainly hope not. but then again maybe that will get it to the supreme court and maybe settle it once and for all. well i can dream cant i.
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
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These people have the votes and the votes to put people on the supreme court to help forward their agenda. Have you not seen that most of our victories are coming with one vote difference and that 2 of our justices are soon to move on so the balance could easily shift against us soon there also. Like I said. Put your head in the sand. It won't happen to you. BTW, the NRA is not an organization I agree with everything on but they are the enemy of my enemy and we do have common ground.
KRoyal, if you think they care who bought the stuff they decide is illegal and come to confiscate it because you broke the law and didn't turn it in you are funny. If you think they won't be better armed and out number you when they come for you think again. If you think that they will just shoot you as you "defend" your rights and home just look at Ruby Ridge.
It's better to stop it before it comes to them prying our cold dead fingers from around them.
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
[Re: B_Bop77]
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01/09/09 02:21 AM
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Love the new map. We made it on our own once, we can do it again......
Am I a bow hunter with a rifle problem, or a rifle hunter with a bow problem??? We may never know...
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
[Re: tex_ttu]
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01/09/09 02:39 AM
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Who is putting their head in the sand???
It sounds like someone has their head stuck somewhere else.
This is the USA. I love my guns. If some should become illegal then I will turn them in. I love this country too much to defy it's laws.
I do not think our own government would start kicking in doors on a large scale over gun ownership.
Call me naive, but I believe in this country more than that.
Believe me law enforcement has made mistakes in the past, but that is what they were "mistakes", not the norm.
If you feel like you would die for your guns go ahead and think that way.
I on the other hand will live in this great country.
Some of you sound like radical jihadists bad mouthing the US.
Some people might tell you that if you don't like it here, leave.
I on the other hand, think it is cool we can have differing opinions in this country. That's what makes us America!
Again- just my opinion
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
[Re: longhorn_cop]
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01/09/09 02:59 AM
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This is the USA. I love my guns. If some should become illegal then I will turn them in. I love this country too much to defy it's laws.
Problem with your analysis is that what makes the USA great is the ideals that it was founded on and the freedoms that it affords its citizens, including in a big way our 2nd Amendment freedoms. Once that way of life and those freedoms begin to erode little by little until they are eventually gone, the USA that you now love no longer exists. It becomes something that the USA has long fought against since its inception. I'm sure there were lots of German citizens who loved their country too in the early 20th century.
See the irony?
At any rate, call me a jihadist if you like, but I'll fight as far and as long as I have to to keep mine and your constitutionally protected rights as a law-abiding American citizen. You should too.
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
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The USA was founded as a democracy. Some of the constitution has changed since we were revolting against good ole england.
That is what a democracy is meant to do..
The constitution has been amended and will be amended in the future.
See the irony??
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
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longhorn since you agree that there are guns, that if deemed illegal for us to possess by our PE Seagull and his cronies, that you would gladly and without question accept as illegal if they said so and that if you owned them you would rush to jump in line and turn them in again without question, which guns would these be? 
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
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That's not irony at all.... Well, your idea of what a democracy is supposed to do and mine are two very, very different ideas. I've always been under the impression that our freedoms and liberties were sacred and were to be protected by our laws, govenrnment, and our Constitution. I love the USA too, but when the USA ceases to honor and protect those liberties, to me at least, it ain't the USA. Guess we won't meet in the "firearm drop-off line" eh? 
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
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The USA was founded as a democracy. Some of the constitution has changed since we were revolting against good ole england.
That is what a democracy is meant to do..
The constitution has been amended and will be amended in the future.
See the irony??
Yes i agree, the country was founded as a democracy,.......... so if a chosen,elite, left wing few declare guns illeagl and try to confiscate them, where may i ask is the democracy in that??
Is it meant for the wants/needs of the few outweigh the wants/needs of the many??
In the history of the world there has been one country to achieve complete gun control.......... It was Germany circa 1935, how did that work out for the world??
See the irony?? 
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
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Obama has put all antis in his cabinet. Does not look good for us.
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
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The 18th Ammendment banned alchohol. Average law abiding citizens began to make it at home, including my Great Grandfather, and many made fortunes(not including my Great Grandfather) selling it illegally. Heck, NASCAR even got it's start from the runners of alchohol getting away from the police. Several years later, the 20th Ammendment(or 21st--can't remember exactly) reppealed the 18th Ammendment because it was a futile attempt anyway and the government realized taxing it was a much better thing to do. Could Our Guns become the 21st century's prohibition? 
"Guns aren't toys!They're for family protection,hunting dangerous or delicious animals,and keeping the King of England out of your face!" H.Simpson 
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
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A new twist? Do you really think that the liberals will spend all the money it would take to fund the courts and prosecuting attorney in order to convict people for illegal possession of firearms? Heck, I can't even get a drug case filed half the time because the intake attorney wants to try the case at his/her desk and pass judgement.
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
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The USA was founded as a democracy. Some of the constitution has changed since we were revolting against good ole england.
That is what a democracy is meant to do..
The constitution has been amended and will be amended in the future.
See the irony??
We are a republic and were founded as such which is why we elect representatives to vote for us. We have democratic principals in that we all can take place in the voting process. There's a big difference.
We have had a total of 27 ammendments since 1787, however, 10 were added immediately in order for the 13 States to ratify the the Constitution. Two Ammendments cancel each other out (see my previous post). Therefore, we've only really changed the Constitution 15 times in 222 years and four of those were rights given to women and race rights. There is no other country in the history of the world that has had a governing document last as long. It works and I to am proud of our country; I served it for 7 years.
I get sick and tired of hearing the arguement about what our government intended when it wrote the 2nd Ammendment. "The right to bear arms" was purposely put into place because England tried to collect the storage of arms at Lexington and Concord-the first battles of the American Revolution. The miltia(minute men like regular shop keepers and farmers) were collecting their guns to fight against a corrupt government. The Ammendment was put into place for that purpose, so citizens could maintain/bear arms in case the government ever became corrupt. I'm not saying our government is, just the intend of the 2nd. But if I hear that the National Guard, highly funded and controlled by the Federal Government, is supposed to take the place of average citizens having guns, I may just throw up.
I don't think our guns will be taken, and if they are, I do believe the backlash will give them right back.
"Guns aren't toys!They're for family protection,hunting dangerous or delicious animals,and keeping the King of England out of your face!" H.Simpson
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Re: Congress' plan would let AG 'ban guns at will'
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A new twist? Do you really think that the liberals will spend all the money it would take to fund the courts and prosecuting attorney in order to convict people for illegal possession of firearms? Heck, I can't even get a drug case filed half the time because the intake attorney wants to try the case at his/her desk and pass judgement.
But that's not how it's supposed to work anyway....I sure don't believe that all of a sudden, gun ownership will be a crime and some government appointed henchmen are going to come and kick my door down. They do it through taxes on firearms and ammunition, essentially making these things unattainable for the common folk...they do it through the legal system, filing lawsuits against the gun manufacturers which are nothing but an attempt to drive up their overhead and out of business entirely....been tried unsuccessfully before. They do it through what they'll call "mandatory healthcare funds" where it will be required of the gun manufacturers to commit so many millions of dollars per year (perhaps a % of gross sales) to a fund to help victims of gunshots with no insurance.
I once worked with an attorney who was in-house counsel for a company I was with at the time. He was a lefty big time and did alot of pro bono stuff for all these liberal causes, including gun control (or abolition) in his spare time, and he knew I was a hunter and such. We used to have some lengthly discussions/arguments about this very issue. He used to tell me..paraphrasing.."you morons on the right are so scared about someone taking your guns, but there will be a time when you can't get them, and by the time you finally figure it out how it happened, it'll be too late."
It's bad enough that the media and all the urban elite have the world convinced that we're a bunch of backwards arse rubes with 3rd grade educations. But now we've got our own (hunters/gunowners) calling us jihadists. Looks like the plan is working.....
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we are a country founded by the act of treason.
we took countrol of our country once, we could do it again.
hopefully it will never come to that, but one never knows.
i am cancelling my subscription, i am tired of your issues!
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