Alright. I left out Hensolt. Here's one:

http://www.eurooptic.com/carl-zeiss-optronics-hensoldt-zf-4-16x56-mildot-front-focal-riflescope.aspx

Money can be better spent on another brand in my opinion. But that's just like pickups, everyone has their preferred brand. FYI, I rarely see e Hensolt at competition. NF, SS, Vortex, even S & B. I really can't recall seeing a Hensolt, but I won't say no one uses them.

I looked at the HD5. The reticles with hold points, only a few have them on the windage line. Are they MOA, Mil, what? I have some firemen friends that have those reticles, and they came out pre-elk hunt wanting to hit 500 yards. I had to draw lines on paper at 100 yards, get behind their scopes, and measure what the lines meant so that I could convert it into MOA or Mil, since that's how ballistic calculators speak. I helped them on steel out to 500, but I can say with complete certainty that life is much easier when one can dial elevation and hold wind, they were holding both and it only worked on one magnification setting. Then I had to warn them that all that field DOPE they just got would change once they were on the mountain. Both suggested they would be calling me after the hunt and asking for recommendations on replacement scopes since they would be selling those Zeiss $1k scopes that don't really get the job done very easily.

Just saw that BOBO. One thing that is kinda odd is they list .25 inch at 100. If that's correct it's iphy not true moa.

I thought same thing until all the turrets have 1/4 Moa on them. Looks like the hd5 has a zero stop on it and stops at 16.5, but you unscrew the zero stop and you get full range.

So you just told the OP to sell a scope because you said it was incapable of shooting long range!!!! When in fact it is not. It has the similar dialing ability for the most part as the NF line when you add shims. So I wonder why NF even sells MOA scopes and SFP???

Fact of the matter is it is capable and it's as accurate as the shooter. The OP should learn how to use that scope first and see if it will accomplish everything he wants, then decide if he needs to spend another grand.

Seems like a lot of hassle. I also wouldn't trust the adjustments until I tested the actual measurement.

I'm in agreement with straightshot on the Bushnell as they are listening very well to the customers and putting it to product.

Fact of the matter is I teach classes and see, monthly, how hard it is to get some guys on 2 MOA steel out to 800 yards. I also see how FFP makes life easier for them. I also see how Mils makes life easier for them. Hell I've had MOA guys come out, we use their MOA scopes (yes I can use MOA just fine) and they have left, sold their MOA scopes and purchased Mil scopes. Without me suggesting they do so. I didn't tell Daniel to sell anything. He asked me via four pages of PMs if there was a better scope he could go through the class as well as use from now on, and I honestly answered.. I always offer to loan out my Vortex Viper PST for the class free of charge. The student just needs a 20 MOA pic rail and I'll move my scope and rings to their rifle. Some guys take me up on that, some guys decide to buy a different scope before they show up. Then I show them how to use it, very effectively.

Sure the Zeiss he has will dial corrections, but that's only half the battle. Life is much easier when you dial elevation and hold wind. Once you commit to a wind dial you will see the wind change in velocity or angle and you have to reach up and change the dial. His reticle had no good wind holds as do almost all Zeiss scopes as well as multiple other brands.

I always spend an hour or more going through a lesson plan, in a specific order before we ever fire a shot. Many times guys have questions and I have to explain things a different way. I give 100% of what I know and will change the explanation until they understand it. Then we check 100 yard zero, reset turrets if needed, and move on down the range from 200 to 800 yards, usually before lunch. I have not had a single negative report from anyone that has been out with me for a day. 100% customer satisfaction rate, and I intend to keep it that way. If someone wants to come out with a Zeiss or a Nikon, or a Leupold with a slick duplex reticle I will accomidate them. But when someone asks me what their options are for a better scope to get the job done I will give them a straight answer based on my experience.