maybe she just found you attractive and just used this as a ruse to get your info

Lol, that's a good one!

I was contacted by someone that works at Cabelas and they promised me that all they do is type in the birth date so she must have not understood me when I ask her about entering my DL.

Sorry for any confusion guys!

Well, ya know...if Uncle Sam wanted to know what sort of shooting gear we have, it's all right here on this forum.

That's why I sold and gave away EVERYTHING yesterday. I've got nothin. Hear me Uncle Sam?

Don'tcha just love those "show me you AR15s" and "show me your 1911s" threads?

Oh, and here are MY AR15s...



Well, at least they WERE mine. Lost 'em all in a fire. Yeah...a fire, right before the tornado hit.

^^ I would be so far away from that party at that point, I wouldn't even tell people bye!

Cause of the expert advice shirt?

The Expert Advice shirt probably had something to do with drinking, or maybe sex...don't recall who was wearing it.

Chad, this was taken at a family gathering of the younger generation of my family, all of whom I mentored. H3ll raisers beyond the shadow of a doubt, but patriots and salt of the earth beyond question!

Yeah, exactly, how ironic! I've seen people handling guns that are freakin' clueless. The last place I want to be is at a party with alcohol and guns out on a table for a freakin' show and tell. No thanks. That's how you make the news!

The "clueless" were not in attendance. We banished them.

Let me guess, not a native Texan?

Some of you guys are nuts. At least two of you are reasonable.

Good. And this confirms the reasoned side of the conversation!

Irrelevant - you'll tell me stories about how you used to be able to drink and drive, how the rules changed when we all migrated here, how the old times were but that was then and this is now - and now you have an ID for some items - regardless of if you or i agree with the laws now, they are the laws and asking for an ID to buy ammo is hardly a violation of our 2nd amendment rights or even an intrusion into our privacy.

People like to jump on the gun wagon so quickly sometimes - and trust me I am the first guy to say you will pry my gear from my cold dead hands and the barrel will be warm...... but it's just an ID, for ammo.

Even a new job requires..

ID
Credit Check
Background Check
and and and....

Alcohol
Cigarettes
Opening a Bank Account
House/Mortgage
Car
to Fly
to ADOPT A FREAKING DOG
Rent a Hotel
Hunting Fishing Licenses
a Cell Phone
CVS Pharmacy Pickup
a XBOX GAME that is Rate "Mature"
Over the counter COLD MEDICINE

None of that upsets anyone, but to have your ID checked for some 22LR it's the beginning of the end?

and to further this - asking for an ID, or hypothetically taking down your DL# is deemed an intrusion but every step you take in the store, in full video, including everything you purchased is somehow ok with everyone?

You don't think the store video, with time stamps, can't identify exactly what you bought with pinpoint accuracy (register/receipt) with little effort? Match your face to DMV records and now I know you also bought a camp stove, an axe, duct tape and a fluffy stuffed shark animal with your ammo.

Dave, it's just about government intrusion...it gets worse every single day and will until we wake up one morning wondering where our rights have gone....all under the guise of making everyone "safe". They use the type of argument to pass seat belts laws...which by the way DO NOT help you drive better.

Being in the business of ammo and dealing in firearms transactions, there's not that much intrusion, honestly. When you buy a new gun (a non-CHL) you fill out the Form 4473, and the FFL has to call in a back ground check. When they call it in, all the NICS knows that you are buying is one of 3 things- a Handgun, Long Gun, or Other. That's it. The only way for "them" to find out what you specifically bought, is to contact that FFL and ask. I've never had that happen.

If you are a CHL holder, you fill out the same 4473 form, and a background check is not called in, since the CHL is your background check. Therefore "they" don't even know you bought anything, unless contacted. I am actually amazed at the lack of info "they" know.

The DL for ammo thing, that's a company deal. They are simply verifying you are of age. Many companies have their own policies in ammo and firearms. For example, Academy will not transfer the firearm to you if you get a "Delayed" response, and NICS does not call them for a "Proceed". I've had customers and friends call me about this.

I do not disagree with you at all, but I also think that we need to pick and choose the battles and this is hardly one of them since it's no different than many other items in our daily lives.

This way when they truly go after a gun right and we all push back on it -the pusback is more effective and not just "another group of gun nus pushing back on ANYTHING they can"

I don't do not see any reasonable argument to why asking for a DL to get ammo purchased is an intrusion.... a real intrusion is a $200 stamp and 9 months for a supressor.

Sorry, there's nothing you can say to make that picture/situation better. Guns, booz, women, and what looks like a child in the background. Plus, you have an AR and pistols sitting there with a mag in- loaded or unloaded, who knows. That's plain ignorant!!!

What does ignorant mean? Here you go:

ig·no·rant
-lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.
-lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular.
-discourteous or rude.

Sorry, but your judgmental assessment is out of line Chad. Got a burr under your saddle?

Yelp, I'm totally out of line. You're right.

Dave,

Where do you draw the line that information gathered about you is too much?

Should corporations be allowed to gather and sell your information for their profit?

Who should decide who is allowed to buy ammo?

Who should be allowed to determine what kind of ammo you are allowed to own?

Who should be allowed to determine how much ammo you are allowed to own?

What should the criteria be for who is allowed to buy ammo?

Should the records of who bought what guns, and what and how much ammo be gathered and public information?

Who should be allowed to decide who sees what information?

Should the government or corporations be allowed to collect information about you and your family and keep it secret even from you?

Do you think there could be a chilling effect on peoples' conduct, or even willingness to criticize the government if they think the government is collecting dossiers on every citizen?

What is the difference between the KGB eavesdropping and maintaining dossiers on Soviet citizens with what our government is doing?

And meant to add, Chad has it right on safety.

I agree with him 100% on the safety concerns.

Being a good guy does not make up for lax safety.