Possibly with the most extreme angle you could imagine even then I would still doubt it.

26grains of imr 8208xbr, out of a 16" AR, will get you around 2985fps....... This is an extremely accurate combination for me at least, although not my first choice for WT but it would work in a pinch.

I use my .204, excellent results

Hell you hit a deer in the head hard enough it will kill but dont mean you should .
I have had a lot and i mean a lot of people tell me they hunt wit a 204 and thats there only "deer gun'' but i would rather not .

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its funny how everyone hunts with bows that shoot 300fps and think that a bullet that's moving 3,000 fps second is unpractical and wont go through bone... i knew a guy that hunted with a .222 for years and this is most def not my only rifle, just the one i like hunting with... even if it was a bolt action

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actually, I hunt whitetails with a TC in .221 fireball and .223 Been shooting them for years with a rem 700 .223 as well. Its all about shot placement and knowing what your limitations are

current groups with factory 64gr bullets. Hope to tighten this up a bunch with reloads

I had a good dog back a few years ago and tracked a lot of deer that hunters lost because of .222 , .223 .243 so they are good for something but deer to me is really not one of them unless your in a emergency situation and thats the only option , for hogs there good shoot an let em go die elsewhere .

I could kill any deer in tx.....under the right situation.....with 60 grain nosler .223



Nice hog!

my hand loader would die laughing if you were bashing .243 lol

.204

Head shots are not what i am talking about
This is just like some i used to hunt that had 300 win mag's and would say it's dead if the bullet hits any part of a deer and then cry when they wound a big buck because they took a shot behind a big limb because they think it can hit a limb and keep going because it's a big gun.

I started hunting as a kid in 1962 with a 218 Bee, never lost a deer and killed my limit the first 9 seasons with that gun (27 deer, limit used to be 3). I only had one run more than a couple of steps. Its not my choice now, but that's what I grew up with and it will do the job with proper placement. I find it almost humorous that the military uses the 223 to kill people in battle the past 40+ years but some here argue the caliber when hunting deer. Again, not my choice but it should do the job...

people always uses the "well the military uses...." as an argument. they are engaging and disableing a target not trying to humanely kill an animal....when you see a deer you don't select "burst" and lay it out, you try and make one shot, one kill.

the reason the .223 was chosen because it met minimum standards(the .222 was looked at hard but it did not meet the minimum knockdown at I believe 400 meters) and allowed each soldier to carry 210 rounds of ammo. before that the .7.62 NATO was used, which in civilian garb is the .308 Winchester.

there choice had nothing to do with effectiveness, in the militarys eyes its better to wound a target because you draw two more out to retrieve the wounded than to make a clean, one shot kill.


combat and hunting are two totally unrelated things

them .243 magnums are beasts. 100 grains is a lot of lead to be chunking down range. how can you justify the recoil when you can get it done with half the bullet weight?

hunt long enough and you'll find there are very few "right situations"


if you wait for the right situations you will end up going home empty handed a lot.


I use enough gun and normally just getting a situation, I'm able to bring the game to bag.

I am laughing at your hand loader for not knowing about the performance of the Nosler Partition!

people always uses the "well the military uses...." as an argument. they are engaging and disableing a target not trying to humanely kill an animal....when you see a deer you don't select "burst" and lay it out, you try and make one shot, one kill.

the reason the .223 was chosen because it met minimum standards(the .222 was looked at hard but it did not meet the minimum knockdown at I believe 400 meters) and allowed each soldier to carry 210 rounds of ammo. before that the .7.62 NATO was used, which in civilian garb is the .308 Winchester.

there choice had nothing to do with effectiveness, in the militarys eyes its better to wound a target because you draw two more out to retrieve the wounded than to make a clean, one shot kill.


combat and hunting are two totally unrelated things



thank you little baby jesus in a hay trough, some hit it on the head

A 223 is all I use now. I have a few larger caliber rifles in the safe but I don't like the kick like I did in my youth.

He's been hand loading since 1957 I'm sure he has forgot more than you know about it homeboy. He just kinda sticks to the old school bullets he's been using for year. There's not a single deer in North America that I wouldn't feel comfortable killing with a 243

Not trying to knock on your reloader, but the Nosler Partition has been THE benchmark bullet since 1948. I would be a little weary of a "reloader" who is not familiar with it.

Congrats on the pig. I would also recommend the 60 gr. NP or 65 gr. SGK. I run both in front of RL-15 with great results.

I was laughing before but now I am...... .

Sounds like you both need a bullet education.

Just out of curiosity..........are Vmax "old school"?

I am laughing at your hand loader for not knowing about the performance of the Nosler Partition![/quote]

He's been hand loading since 1957 I'm sure he has forgot more than you know about it homeboy. He just kinda sticks to the old school bullets he's been using for year. [/quote]

I was laughing before but now I am...... .

Sounds like you both need a bullet education.

Just out of curiosity..........are Vmax "old school"? [/quote]
Not as much as I am that's for sure it is so funny the way there so many not it all people on here I said that I have killed and have tracked
I have shot some deer with a .243 but it is a small round and if your the type that is saying that you don't know that then you don't need to even be hunting also like I said just because you say or have made a head shot or neck shot with a .204 or dart gun don't mean you should IMO but I guess around here you can't have you option

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ive heard this theory before but somehow i doubt its true. when our military unleashes its destruction them bombs arent full of fire crackers or hot air, their full of straight up death. you can be assured the 223 was chosen for cost and nothing more.

you can only afford one gun?