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Re: 3/4 ton gas rig help [Re: EasyMoney] #5299327 09/10/14 09:15 PM
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The capability is there that's no problem... I carry a 100hp 10,000lb tractor on our 3/4 ton gas and a 25ft dove tail flatbed pretty regular and many many 8,000lb+ loads every day. I would still choose a diesel just since its what iv always owned but the gas trucks we use for the shop get the job done just fine.

Re: 3/4 ton gas rig help [Re: redchevy] #5299382 09/10/14 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
They are both 2wd crew cab 6' beds. One is a 2500 hd with 4.1 gears the other is 1500 hd with 3.73's. Both have stock size e range tires.

Change your 3k on startup to 2 or 2500 rpm it will go up. If your gonna call it grandpa driving I never saw grandpa ever hit 3k grin

At the end of the day I love and have owned a couple diesel trucks, no a gas wont pull like a diesel, but that's a far cry from not doing it. May turn a few more rpm bur a bit more gas and take a little longer to get to speed, but that don't mean they cant do it.


Sounds like you have a combination of head starts on mine, no front end driveline probably being the biggest one. Even when I went from the 245s to the 275s it didn't drop that much. I guess the 4wd components really do rob a lot of mileage, unfortunately I can't access my place without it several times a year.

I've heavily considered getting an older regular cab 4x4 half ton when this one's paid for, just for all the times I'm making a run and don't need the extra capacity.

I fully agree that the gas 3/4 tons are more than capable of handling just as much of a load as a diesel, albeit not as quickly. The only non-driveline components on a diesel that are different than a gas are the ones required to be beefed up because of the weight. That weight, on the other hand, becomes a huge liability once the pavement turns to mud.

Re: 3/4 ton gas rig help [Re: EasyMoney] #5299563 09/10/14 11:19 PM
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Pull this and tell me a 6.0 isn't gutless

Re: 3/4 ton gas rig help [Re: EasyMoney] #5299573 09/10/14 11:23 PM
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For what its worth, I can see both sides of the argument. Both trucks have their places, differet strokes for different folks. I had a 07 dodge diesel that was a powerhouse but i hated the emissions issues. I can say that my dad and i both have 6.0 chevy/gmcs, both 4x4, both with the old style and new style trannys, one with 4.10s and one with 3.73s, and neither one have ever seen 16 mpg's empty, ever! And my dad drives super conservatively, he is the guy you get behind who is doing 55-60 in a 70-75 zone. The most mine ever got hand calculated was 13.8 mpg. That said they pull my 26' 5th wheel and a 24' gooseneck lowboy fine 8-10 times a year. Not a powerhouse but gets the job done. I have hand calculated mileage pulling my travel trailer many times and 5-8 mpgs is common on my truck, with 4.10s in 3rd gear(4 speed auto) at around 2500-3000 rpms, running anywhere from 60-70mph depending on winds and stuff.

Re: 3/4 ton gas rig help [Re: EasyMoney] #5299586 09/10/14 11:25 PM
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Also, I see we have gotten way off topic, the O.P. just wanted opinions on gas 3/4s

Re: 3/4 ton gas rig help [Re: EasyMoney] #5300147 09/11/14 03:32 AM
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I've had my '02 6.0 for 11 years and have never seen that thing get over about 11 MPG... My mom drove it to Oklahoma one weekend before it had a lift and tires on it with the cruise set at 65 and that's all she got. But it has never left me stranded and I have done very very little to it to keep it running, that's why I still have it as a back up whenever my newer diesels have to go into the shop (more times than not). I'd hook a trailer to it right now and take off across the country... It just might take me a while and cost a lot.


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Re: 3/4 ton gas rig help [Re: TKM] #5300281 09/11/14 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted By: TKM
BS! Back before the modern day diesels came to be all you had were the 454's and 460's. In the 70's and 80's the town I worked in was ruled by the oil field. There WERE NO DIESELS and 100's of 454's pulling 15k to 16k pound backhoes on tandem dual trailers everywhere and for a long time. That is all there was back then unless you went with a semi setup. I've had all the diesels, have had a 4wd diesel with a few mods that would smoke all four tires from a roll. Saying a gas truck won't last hauling a load is nothing but ego talking or lack of being realistic. I have several trucks, one being a 97 Ford F350, regular cab, flat bed, with a 460 and 5 speed manual, still going, still hauling 16k pounds of round bales all over a few times a year, when is it supposed to fail? Hauls a 4020 with duals and water in tires, dozer blade on front,6 ft round baler, well over 20,000 lbs not including the trailer. On a long hill I may need to drop from 5th to 4th, so what, does that mean I must turn in my man card because, heaven forbid, I down shifted? What is it I'm not supposed to be able to tow? Will the newer diesels do it easier, sure, but I haul it the speed limit just fine, do I need to be able to haul it faster? If I needed to tow often and heavy, I'd 100% go back to a diesel. But for a few times a year now, the numbers are just not there.


BS+1......True you can haul those extreme loads with the big block 1 tons....I choose not to treat my equipment like that........I stay within the limits its manufactured.........

Re: 3/4 ton gas rig help [Re: redchevy] #5301048 09/11/14 05:24 PM
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If you towed 8k with a 5.3 (my wife has one in her yukon) without any issues you must have been going down hill, that is impossible, that engine makes more noise than power. I pulled my 16ft trailer with a ranger on it 60 miles and it hated it I think it got to overdrive once going down hill. IMO a 1/2 ton is made for pulling to your neighbors house and no further. ??????????????3200RPMS????????????CRAZY you have 1800RPMS left and your redlining. Do what you want hand but your running thin on efficiency.


In a 5.3 you should have about 2800 rpm to get to read line.

In a chevy diesel the 04 and 05 we have reline at 3200 and tow at 65 at 2000-2100 rpm in OD they are only 1200 rpm away from redline, whats your point?

I never saw OD in the 5.3 towing bigger stuff with it, lighter stuff the boat light flatbed you put it in 5th and it runs about 2200 at 70 put it in 4th for bigger stuff in it runs less than 3k, which is perfectly acceptable.

My 94 in the onwners manual directed you to take it out of OD if towing anything or even in hilly terrain. I towed our 20 foot boat in OD with no issues. Towing in 3rd gear wound the rpms up to about 27-2800 rpm at 65, at 70 it was 3k rpm and it redlined at 4k rpm. I sold that truck with 265k miles on it original motor and transmission never been rebuilt or had motor or transmission work done. Pulled a trencher with that truck that weighed over 9k lbs dry by itself not counting the trailer it was on 100 miles each way on I-10 going 65 with no issues other than a little sway. In no way would I recommend doing that every day with the truck or even often, but there is a huge difference between a 90's model 350 with a 700R4 that barely squeaks out 200 hp and 300 lb ft of torque on a good day and a modern hd gas truck putting out 2x the hp and a lot more torque.


A lot of folks are misinformed on how to tow with a gas rig... especially a 1/2 ton. When towing anything more than the smallest of trailers, you should NEVER be in OD. OD allows the torque converter to unlock... losing power and building major heat in the transmission (read toasted seals and short life-span.)

I will not claim that gas rigs are the end-all-be-all, but they are way underrated. Yes, diesels have their place - they are the kings when it comes to a life of towing heavy loads. But with that comes more $$$. One of thee biggest reasons that I probably won't ever own a diesel is the loss of off-road (mud) capability with those heavy front ends. Our house is 2.5 miles of dirt off of the pavement. After a decent rain, our road becomes a diesel eater!!!

My 5.3L 1500 will pull our 27' TT without problems... not impressively, but it will do what I need/ask of it. But when it is time to replace it, a 3/4 ton gasser will be high on the list. The increased capabilities would be appreciated without the NEED of a diesel.

Re: 3/4 ton gas rig help [Re: Dustnsand] #5301061 09/11/14 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted By: z71dustin
Pull this and tell me a 6.0 isn't gutless


You are pulling a dang sail... What do you expect??? That's like running your pickup into a pond and claiming that the 4WD sucks because you got stuck... confused2

Re: 3/4 ton gas rig help [Re: ckat] #5301069 09/11/14 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: ckat
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Pull this and tell me a 6.0 isn't gutless


You are pulling a dang sail... What do you expect??? That's like running your pickup into a pond and claiming that the 4WD sucks because you got stuck... confused2


Because a diesel actually pulls that damn thing and doesn't have to drop to 2nd gear at a little incline. With a tailwind. It's sucks no matter what you're pulling it with but it's a joke hooking it to that 6.0

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Pull this and tell me a 6.0 isn't gutless


You are pulling a dang sail... What do you expect??? That's like running your pickup into a pond and claiming that the 4WD sucks because you got stuck... confused2


Because a diesel actually pulls that damn thing and doesn't have to drop to 2nd gear at a little incline. With a tailwind. It's sucks no matter what you're pulling it with but it's a joke hooking it to that 6.0


Whats it hooked up to in that picture? Sure looks like the rear dif gm puts in the gas 3/4's... seems like its still doing the job no?

And one... more... time... just because a gas 3/4 ton may complain a lil pulling 15k lbs or a parachute down the road doesn't mean they are gutless or have no purpose. Plenty of people out there tow things like a tractor, flatbed with quipment materials or a moderate travel trailer that would put a hurtin on a 1/2 ton that a 3/4 can do all day every day and they will never ever need to tow something like pictures. If your towing that thing all the time then sure yes buy a diesel, but just remember MOST people don't tow that or 15k plus.


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Re: 3/4 ton gas rig help [Re: EasyMoney] #5301233 09/11/14 07:21 PM
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If the 6.0 is gutless so are the MUCH higher rated and newer Dodge and Ford gassers. Not much difference real world power or mileage wise.

http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2014-ultimate-three-quarter-ton-hd-challenge.html


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Re: 3/4 ton gas rig help [Re: EasyMoney] #5310924 09/17/14 08:05 AM
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Yep, when compared to the same truck with a diesel engine all gassers are considered gutless but that's not a fair comparison. The gassers will pull it but not without difficulty which causes too much stress on the truck if your pulling heavy loads regularly or long distances, if your pulling within 10 miles and take it easy you should be fine with a gasser.

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Originally Posted By: PineNut
If the 6.0 is gutless so are the MUCH higher rated and newer Dodge and Ford gassers. Not much difference real world power or mileage wise.

http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2014-ultimate-three-quarter-ton-hd-challenge.html


Say...Thats a pretty good link

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Re: 3/4 ton gas rig help [Re: EasyMoney] #5311845 09/17/14 08:02 PM
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Glad you like it. I posted the 1-ton diesel test link in another thread and the OP thanked me as well.

It is a great site and they have had many different truck tests through the years. Plus the comments are very entertaining clap


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Re: 3/4 ton gas rig help [Re: EasyMoney] #5316184 09/19/14 09:54 PM
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Take care of them and gas engines will cost you less to maintain in the long run


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Re: 3/4 ton gas rig help [Re: EasyMoney] #5318101 09/21/14 06:24 AM
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I just got a f350 super crew fx4 4x4 GAS with an 8 foot bed as a work truck and it is an absolute slug. From Sugarland back to Odessa I got a whopping 11.2 mpg average. I had a VR service skid in the bed, but still... I barely made it to Junction on a 38 gallon tank.

HOWEVER, they left the window sticker in the glove box and it was a cheaper truck than my F150 was, which freaked me out. Sticker on it was only 42-grand. I think the same truck in a diesel would be 60 grand plus.

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So why hasn't Ford made a v8 ecoboost for their 3/4 ton trucks?

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So why hasn't Ford made a v8 ecoboost for their 3/4 ton trucks?


I don't know why they don't just stick the current ecoboost in them. It already hangs pretty well within the performance numbers of all of the big 3's 3/4 ton gas offerings and thanks to the turbo delivers it at a much lower rpm.

Not sure if those that are dissatisfied with the ecoboost are comparing it to a diesel or what, but the several I have been in performed great had a lot of power on the bottom end and got reasonable fuel mileage, especially for what they bring to the table.


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Comparing my economy and the f350 mentioned above is like night and day. My eco has a small lift, 35" bfg's and about an extra 2000# of stuff, and still gets around 18mpg on the highway, and feels like it has allot more power than my f350.... I hear rumors about a 5 cylinder baby power stroke coming out for the aluminum f150, but it is just a rumor. We're definitely a Ford family. 2 fusions, f350, and f150.

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