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 Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/25/14 01:13 AM
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I'll go with ya on that.
A well loaded 7-08, 260 Rem, and 6.5 Creedmoor will have what? Exactly the same wind hold to 1000.
Think the 162 and 168 7mm delivers a little more ft/lbs with the recoil.
Am I saying that right just going on memory?
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/25/14 01:21 AM
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Dan,
Its not the end all be all, but its a very nice S.A. round that's not barrel length sensitve.
When I went to rechamber wife's 243, I talked to three different builders beanland, gap, and horizon...all three gave those reason over and over. All three even put it over the 7-08. Ive used four different OTC ammo loads/bullets all sub moa. Is that performance all the builder or caliber, probably combo of both The only advantage over the 7mm08 is felt recoil. If you didn't hand load which would you pick for most accurate and consistent OTC ammo?
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/25/14 01:31 AM
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I'll go with ya on that.
A well loaded 7-08, 260 Rem, and 6.5 Creedmoor will have what? Exactly the same wind hold to 1000.
Think the 162 and 168 7mm delivers a little more ft/lbs with the recoil.
Am I saying that right just going on memory? The 7mm has a touch bit less drift if you both at 2700-2800. I know both can run up to 2800+ but both book at 2700 and the 7 has the bc edge.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/25/14 01:32 AM
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Dan,
Its not the end all be all, but its a very nice S.A. round that's not barrel length sensitve.
When I went to rechamber wife's 243, I talked to three different builders beanland, gap, and horizon...all three gave those reason over and over. All three even put it over the 7-08. Ive used four different OTC ammo loads/bullets all sub moa. Is that performance all the builder or caliber, probably combo of both The only advantage over the 7mm08 is felt recoil. If you didn't hand load which would you pick for most accurate and consistent OTC ammo? Depends entirely on what type of ammo is needed. Purely match the creed wins but if general hunting the 7 has the edge.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/25/14 01:39 AM
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Neither are hot enough to wanted warrant bonded IMO, but every one is different.
But I would agree with you
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/25/14 02:06 AM
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We're down to splitting hairs.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/25/14 01:09 PM
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Neither are hot enough to wanted warrant bonded IMO, but every one is different.
But I would agree with you
I only use bonded on slower stuff so I can be assured that I get a exit. In open terrain this isn't needed though and most c&c bullets will give you a exit but not always.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/25/14 01:34 PM
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To me after looking at the bullet i think i would want a little more brass on the end , it looks like the CM is more of just a LR pinking round but i am no expert and i dont know what the expansion is on it either and thats what counts not speed or drop or hold over . I am not trying to start an Sh1t storm but the OP asked the question about hunting with it and i see where he would get put off by all the LR talk and taking it way to far than just saying yes i have used it and it works or no it;s not a good round for hunting .
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/25/14 02:01 PM
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Always interesting to me that women and kids drop lots of large animals every year with 243's, while grown men need some Uber Mag with Mega Death Ray magic bullet tips to drop a deer, or even worse, the mythical armor plated feral pig.
Shot placement trumps power.
Good shot placement comes from practice.
A person with a 260/6.5 CM is far more likely to practice for more rounds than the person with a big gun for the simple reasons it is more pleasant to shoot.
260/6.5 will kill stuff just fine with good placement. A super duper mag will not kill without it.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/25/14 08:21 PM
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^^Yup^^
Keneth, go to my website in the photo gallery, theres several kills with a 260 Rem, which is the same external ballistics as the 6.5 Creedmoor. They are killing machines.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/25/14 08:24 PM
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Creed is my go to. Seriously thinking of doing a 6.5x 280 AI for this year. Just did one for customer and its pretty dang sweet. Good numbers close to the 26 nosler with way less powder
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/25/14 09:37 PM
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Dan,
Its not the end all be all, but its a very nice S.A. round that's not barrel length sensitve.
When I went to rechamber wife's 243, I talked to three different builders beanland, gap, and horizon...all three gave those reason over and over. All three even put it over the 7-08. Ive used four different OTC ammo loads/bullets all sub moa. Is that performance all the builder or caliber, probably combo of both The only advantage over the 7mm08 is felt recoil. If you didn't hand load which would you pick for most accurate and consistent OTC ammo? 308 is far in the lead by that criteria, followed by 260, 6.5 CM, 243 in that order.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/25/14 09:39 PM
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^^Yup^^
Keneth, go to my website in the photo gallery, theres several kills with a 260 Rem, which is the same external ballistics as the 6.5 Creedmoor. They are killing machines. I have and i am not saying that they are not good only saying that i didnt know much on them other than looking at the bullets and they seem a little on the small side but so does the BO and it takes down good to
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/25/14 09:44 PM
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Some guys like nothing but 30 cal bullets, even 45 cal going slow, and theres nothing wrong with that.
I was just letting you know that they do work. Also, a 6.5 Creed and 260 Rem deliver more foot pounds at distance than the 308 Win.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If I were forced to be down to one single centerfire rifle it would be a 260 Rem or 6.5 Creedmoor. And I'd take it elk hunting.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/25/14 11:50 PM
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Some guys like nothing but 30 cal bullets, even 45 cal going slow, and theres nothing wrong with that.
I was just letting you know that they do work. Also, a 6.5 Creed and 260 Rem deliver more foot pounds at distance than the 308 Win.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If I were forced to be down to one single centerfire rifle it would be a 260 Rem or 6.5 Creedmoor. And I'd take it elk hunting. no way would I want to be in the elk woods and come across a 1000 lb 7x7 200 yards across a meadow and have a .260 Remington in my hand. god gave us the 7mm Remington mag for a reason....its the upper threshold of what the average hunter can handle and packs a punch that will knock big animals in the dirt
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/25/14 11:59 PM
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^^Yup^^
Keneth, go to my website in the photo gallery, theres several kills with a 260 Rem, which is the same external ballistics as the 6.5 Creedmoor. They are killing machines. I have and i am not saying that they are not good only saying that i didnt know much on them other than looking at the bullets and they seem a little on the small side but so does the BO and it takes down good to The little 6.5 pills have a lot going for them besides high ballistic coefficients. They have some of the highest sectional density numbers as well and sd helps in initial penetration potential.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/26/14 12:03 AM
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Some guys like nothing but 30 cal bullets, even 45 cal going slow, and theres nothing wrong with that.
I was just letting you know that they do work. Also, a 6.5 Creed and 260 Rem deliver more foot pounds at distance than the 308 Win.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If I were forced to be down to one single centerfire rifle it would be a 260 Rem or 6.5 Creedmoor. And I'd take it elk hunting. you keep talking long range as in when the bullets are falling out of the sky, neither anything weve talked about would be considered a long range deer rifle much less elk. the 308 wins in energy under 500 yds which is the upper most limit for deer for anything weve talked about. im sure the 260 and creed are fine guns and will kill most anything but keep it real, were talking hunting here not paper punching and about the only thing they beat inside 500 yds is a 243
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/26/14 12:10 AM
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Some guys like nothing but 30 cal bullets, even 45 cal going slow, and theres nothing wrong with that.
I was just letting you know that they do work. Also, a 6.5 Creed and 260 Rem deliver more foot pounds at distance than the 308 Win.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If I were forced to be down to one single centerfire rifle it would be a 260 Rem or 6.5 Creedmoor. And I'd take it elk hunting. no way would I want to be in the elk woods and come across a 1000 lb 7x7 200 yards across a meadow and have a .260 Remington in my hand. god gave us the 7mm Remington mag for a reason....its the upper threshold of what the average hunter can handle and packs a punch that will knock big animals in the dirt So why not use a 338 Lapua?
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/26/14 12:12 AM
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punching paper and shooting game are two very different things.
I've never seen any serious sheep hunters carrying creedmoors or .260's....they are all using magnums.
target shooting is just that....target shooting.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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Within 500 yards vanguard is right - it's pretty much a ford/chevy conversation within those distances. I keep a short 308 in the safe that I know will always shoot and I can feed it pretty much anything I can get my hands on and it will drop most game within reason. 6.5's, 6's, 7's or a freaking 50 smooth bore all have their place and there is never going to be a single tool for the job. Shoot what you got, what you are comfortable with and within it's limits.
Now everyone hug.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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Some guys like nothing but 30 cal bullets, even 45 cal going slow, and theres nothing wrong with that.
I was just letting you know that they do work. Also, a 6.5 Creed and 260 Rem deliver more foot pounds at distance than the 308 Win.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If I were forced to be down to one single centerfire rifle it would be a 260 Rem or 6.5 Creedmoor. And I'd take it elk hunting. no way would I want to be in the elk woods and come across a 1000 lb 7x7 200 yards across a meadow and have a .260 Remington in my hand. god gave us the 7mm Remington mag for a reason....its the upper threshold of what the average hunter can handle and packs a punch that will knock big animals in the dirt So why not use a 338 Lapua? read my last sentence and you will see why not
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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Some guys like nothing but 30 cal bullets, even 45 cal going slow, and theres nothing wrong with that.
I was just letting you know that they do work. Also, a 6.5 Creed and 260 Rem deliver more foot pounds at distance than the 308 Win.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If I were forced to be down to one single centerfire rifle it would be a 260 Rem or 6.5 Creedmoor. And I'd take it elk hunting. no way would I want to be in the elk woods and come across a 1000 lb 7x7 200 yards across a meadow and have a .260 Remington in my hand. god gave us the 7mm Remington mag for a reason....its the upper threshold of what the average hunter can handle and packs a punch that will knock big animals in the dirt So why not use a 338 Lapua? read my last sentence and you will see why not I did, which revealed much. Read my first post in this thread for reply.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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kids and women drop animals with .243's.....they also wound animals with them. you just never see pictures of them next to a sparse blood trail with a caption that says "look what I almost got"
deer and pigs are not hard to kill, you don't need a magnum.
but if your going to spend the money and chase sheep or elk, why would marginalize yourself and pick up a .260?
these types of threads really separate the guys that shoot a lot and the ones that hunt alot
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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these types of threads really separate the guys that shoot a lot and the ones that hunt alot The latter should include the former, but yes, these threads do reveal a great deal, often unintentionally. And since you somehow missed the point, here it is again in its entirety: Always interesting to me that women and kids drop lots of large animals every year with 243's, while grown men need some Uber Mag with Mega Death Ray magic bullet tips to drop a deer, or even worse, the mythical armor plated feral pig.
Shot placement trumps power.
Good shot placement comes from practice.
A person with a 260/6.5 CM is far more likely to practice for more rounds than the person with a big gun for the simple reasons it is more pleasant to shoot.
260/6.5 will kill stuff just fine with good placement. A super duper mag will not kill without it.
eta: TxTrophy - who many rounds do you put through a 7 mag, and what bullets do you use?
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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these types of threads really separate the guys that shoot a lot and the ones that hunt alot
What's your point? I shoot a lot year round but yet also hunt every chance given.
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