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Re: Help me settle an argument
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08/24/14 08:32 PM
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ImTheReasonDovesMourn
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I got your back brother, friend, buddy, neighbor! Whoa. That 30-year is a little pricey for my associates. A bottle of 17 doesn't sound unreasonable though.
Haha yea I polished that thing for hours.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5269667
08/24/14 08:37 PM
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udamdan
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15 a day per person is what it is .
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
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08/24/14 09:10 PM
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Whoa. That 30-year is a little pricey for my associates. A bottle of 17 doesn't sound unreasonable though. That stuff is even high for a well-to-do guy. Even the 18 year is out of my league. But any Macallen is better than no Macallen. We bet a beer, and when the stakes get high it is a six pack. Enjoy
"Man is still a hunter, still a simple searcher after meat..." Robert C. Ruark
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Re: Help me settle an argument
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08/24/14 09:23 PM
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Sniper John
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So, if I'm crappie fishing should I stop fishing if I've caught 25 keepers and there are two of us in the boat and the other guy has only caught 12? Or, should we both continue fishing until we hit 50? What is your reply if the GW ask how many you caught? More trivia. For fishing there is a "guided" exception. "The bag limit for a guided fishing party is equal to the total number of persons in the boat licensed to fish or otherwise exempt from holding a license minus each fishing guide and fishing guide deckhand multiplied by the bag limit for each species harvested."
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Re: Help me settle an argument
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08/24/14 09:38 PM
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ImTheReasonDovesMourn
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Whoa. That 30-year is a little pricey for my associates. A bottle of 17 doesn't sound unreasonable though. That stuff is even high for a well-to-do guy. Even the 18 year is out of my league. But any Macallen is better than no Macallen. We bet a beer, and when the stakes get high it is a six pack. Enjoy Haha I usually wouldn't bet at all. I didn't want to call bs on him in the first place, but he was trying to give some younger hunters bad advice and so I called him out. He probably won't pay up anyway.
Haha yea I polished that thing for hours.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
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08/25/14 02:02 AM
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Jacob645
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So, if I'm crappie fishing should I stop fishing if I've caught 25 keepers and there are two of us in the boat and the other guy has only caught 12? Or, should we both continue fishing until we hit 50? What is your reply if the GW ask how many you caught? I'd say we've caught 37.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5270252
08/25/14 02:11 AM
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sling
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I hunt with my wife...this situation hasn't come up, but I can see his point. One thing that is interesting to me is that legally, he doesn't need 2 guns. If the warden didn't see the birds they shot, and they're going to lie anyway, just say that she shot her limit and then he shot his. There's nothing that says both hunters have to have a gun...hell I don't think there's anything that says you can use 2 guns if you wanted to. I don't know if I'd do this with my wife...with 2 limits....I don't think I'd feel bad if I was slightly over...knowing that she'd likely be way under....like Jacob645 said, we do this in the fishing boat all the time. Is it to the letter of the law? Nope. Is it what I'd consider blatant poaching? Nah, I don't think so...the limits are set with the expectation that hunters will shoot some number of birds, up to a limit of 15...if we were that short on dove the limit would be lower. I don't argue that it's legal, but I don't feel as strongly about this scenario as I do about what I heard earlier today, which was someone not far from me shooting, pretty random...didn't sound like target practice....it sounded like a dove hunt in august. I found a winged bird at my place a few weeks ago, so I know someone is shooting birds early (already been in contact with the warden on that situation). I have a real problem with the "early birds"...no pun
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Re: Help me settle an argument
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08/25/14 02:23 AM
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ImTheReasonDovesMourn
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I hunt with my wife...this situation hasn't come up, but I can see his point. One thing that is interesting to me is that legally, he doesn't need 2 guns. If the warden didn't see the birds they shot, and they're going to lie anyway, just say that she shot her limit and then he shot his. There's nothing that says both hunters have to have a gun...hell I don't think there's anything that says you can use 2 guns if you wanted to. I don't know if I'd do this with my wife...with 2 limits....I don't think I'd feel bad if I was slightly over...knowing that she'd likely be way under....like Jacob645 said, we do this in the fishing boat all the time. Is it to the letter of the law? Nope. Is it what I'd consider blatant poaching? Nah, I don't think so...the limits are set with the expectation that hunters will shoot some number of birds, up to a limit of 15...if we were that short on dove the limit would be lower. I don't argue that it's legal, but I don't feel as strongly about this scenario as I do about what I heard earlier today, which was someone not far from me shooting, pretty random...didn't sound like target practice....it sounded like a dove hunt in august. I found a winged bird at my place a few weeks ago, so I know someone is shooting birds early (already been in contact with the warden on that situation). I have a real problem with the "early birds"...no pun I don't think it's a coincidence that they started shooting at prime time and randomly blasted off until the birds quit flying. It sounded like they saw more birds than I did.
Haha yea I polished that thing for hours.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5270293
08/25/14 02:24 AM
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sling
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I don't think it's a coincidence that they started shooting at prime time and randomly blasted off until the birds quit flying. It sounded like they saw more birds than I did. Nope, I'm pretty confident that they were hunting too.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
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#5270324
08/25/14 02:41 AM
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Sorry, while you may have two vehicles registered in your name, you can't drive both at the same time.... just like you can't buy your wife a license, then shoot her birds..... legally Totally wrong, but I see his point. I pay registration on a vehicle. They don't care who drives it as long as the tag is paid. I have two vehicles. I can't drive them both at the same time, so why not let someone drive one for me, since it's paid for? I've paid for whatever taxes on two vehicles pay for, so why not fill two licenses if she isn't going to use hers? Better to use it than leave it in the driveway. Again, totally wrong, but I do see his point of view.
I'd ask him if he's pregnant. He missed a s__tload of periods. I'll take "things that look like a uterus" for $200 Alex.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5270452
08/25/14 04:00 AM
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Sniper John
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But you could drive both vehicles in the same day. And you could shoot both limits of birds in the same day. Only the latter would be illegal and unethical. I still don't see how your justifying the thought of illegally shooting two limits of dove because you can only drive one of two legally registered vehicles at a time. Most of the time you only shoot one dove at a time as well.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
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08/25/14 04:11 AM
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You dont have to be there at 5 am on opening day. You can easily roll in at 8:30 while most of the hunters already have their limits and handpick your doves. Yes, there will be less doves, but a whole less hunters too.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
#5270577
08/25/14 09:56 AM
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You can try to justify it to yourselves anyway you want to. Where do you draw the line on what law is acceptable to break? I'm just wondering not throwing rocks.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
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08/25/14 10:07 AM
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You can try to justify it to yourselves anyway you want to. Where do you draw the line on what law is acceptable to break? I'm just wondering not throwing rocks. It's just up to each individual. I don't think either scenario(fishing or bird hunting) is blatant poaching. I know in the eyes of the law it is but I'm just being honest. If there are 3 people hunting then the max limit is 45.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
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08/25/14 12:04 PM
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So, if I'm crappie fishing should I stop fishing if I've caught 25 keepers and there are two of us in the boat and the other guy has only caught 12? Or, should we both continue fishing until we hit 50? What is your reply if the GW ask how many you caught? I'd say we've caught 37. Well, the thing about fishing is you can let them go. So you'd only be breaking the law once you kept number 26. Let me ask you this. Would you let someone tag your over sized red? Or tag theirs?
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Re: Help me settle an argument
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#5270712
08/25/14 01:23 PM
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whitewing maniac
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Well you won your bet. Illegal yes, but as the saying goes, "It's only illegal if you get caught".
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Re: Help me settle an argument
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#5270733
08/25/14 01:37 PM
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john paul
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It is illegal but I would not lose any sleep if somebody shot their limit and helped their buddy finish theirs.
I'm with GK because I like salty old dudes.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
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08/25/14 01:45 PM
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Let me ask you this. Would you let someone tag your over sized red? Or tag theirs?
I would if they forgot their license so they could avoid getting a ticket if we happened to be checked. Not that this would ever be a problem for me because I don't know anyone who would even keep an over sized redfish...
I'm with GK because I like salty old dudes.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
[Re: ImTheReasonDovesMourn]
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08/25/14 02:32 PM
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Sniper John
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Or would you tag a deer you shot with your wife's tag? To bring your wife and buy her a license so you could shoot extra deer is the same thing as bringing your wife for the purpose of shooting her limit of dove in addition to your own. In the original poster's question, this is his intent. Not to commingle birds of two hunters shooting birds together. The intent in the original question that started this thread would be blatant poaching.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
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08/25/14 02:43 PM
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Kenneth1977
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Or would you tag a deer you shot with your wife's tag? To bring your wife and buy her a license so you could shoot extra deer is the same thing as bringing your wife for the purpose of shooting her limit of dove in addition to your own. In the original poster's question, this is his intent. Not to commingle birds of two hunters shooting birds together. The intent in the original question that started this thread would be blatant poaching. blatant poaching Really Thats not poaching man , i really dont see the problem with what he's wanting to do really i mean it's kind of bad but not .
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Re: Help me settle an argument
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08/25/14 02:50 PM
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blatant poaching Really Thats not poaching man , i really dont see the problem with what he's wanting to do really i mean it's kind of bad but not. By definition it is. No skin off my hide, but clearly that would be illegal. Ethics is a different can of worms. poach v. poached, poach·ing, poach·es1. To trespass on (another's property) for fishing or hunting. 2. To take (fish or game) illegally.3. To make (land) muddy or broken up by trampling.
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Re: Help me settle an argument
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08/25/14 02:51 PM
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Just call your local game warden and ask him, I'm betting he won't say 'it's kind of bad but not'....
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Re: Help me settle an argument
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08/25/14 02:55 PM
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Just call your local game warden and ask him, I'm betting he won't say 'it's kind of bad but not'.... If i get time later today i will i have a family member that is a GW and i dont think it is illegal it does not state it anywhere in the book that you cant do that in those words does it ? I am not 100 % sure anyhow people are going to do it either way .
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Re: Help me settle an argument
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08/25/14 03:04 PM
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whitewing maniac
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Well heck I will just bring my wife and son and shoot thier limit to, bring a couple neighborhood kids that dont need licenses and really blast away. Sounds like a hoot
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Re: Help me settle an argument
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08/25/14 03:05 PM
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Just call your local game warden and ask him, I'm betting he won't say 'it's kind of bad Gaugenot'.... If i get time later today i will i have a family member that is a GW and i dont think it is illegal it does not state it anywhere in the book that you cant do that in those words does it ? I am not 100 % sure anyhow people are going to do it either way . Better yet..... make sure you lie when he/she ask how many birds you shot and make sure the non shooter is using a different gauge shot gun.
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