Looks like I really got under ole Hog Washes' skin!

You know what they say......."some times the truth hurts", and it clearly did!

Someone else is more than welcome to take my spot. I have nothing to prove.

I figured you would turn me down. This is a friendly exchange of opinions. Mine just happens to be backed by over a Thousand dead Hogs.

I was only looking forward to seeing your perfect off hand shooting since you say I am such a horrible shot.

Easy there Hog Wash! I never made any claims about my shooting abilities and never called you a horrible shot either. I just called that type of shooting "spray and pray" and even admitted to doing the same thing my self at times.

Ok whatever you say. I would love to see your shooting.

You are grasping for something to hold on to now Hog.

Now show me in that quote where I called you a horrible shot and made any claims about my shooting ability.

Like I said......that type of shooting is SPRAY AND PRAY!

Do I really have to lecture you on that again??

I've been following this chat. Even though I don't use fmj bullets for anything, I am firmly in Hog Rushes camp. Hog Rush does, where JCB just talks.

most hogs I have killed with a .223 have been with a fmj. it kills them just like any other.



its just a pig, ya'll are over thinking it

Anyone with over 20k posts on any forum or other venue is definitely a person with plenty of time who likes to express himself.

The tsx or ttsx barnes are great bullets especially when you pay $$$ for a hunt and want to harvest the most.

For eradication purposes the 69hpbt in a 1:9 twist is on the verge of being de-stable, which will tumble in soft tissue. Solid hits in the head, neck or vitals will result in a much faster kill.
But at .10cents per pill (69gr HPBT) vs .66 cents per pill(62gr TSX) I have been using the 69gr HPBT which have great accuracy, much better then a 55gr fmj for about the same cost (if you reload).
The 55gr fmj have done the job for me, I would rather have 5 rounds per hog if needed for the same cost of 1 TSX round. I fired 27 rounds to get 8 out of 11 hogs at 193yds in an open field on a dark night. After that is when I started using the 69gr HPBT, if I didn't reload the 55gr fmj would have been my goto round next.
Money no object TSX opens up and will hold together every time I have recovered them.

Hog hunting vs eradication 2 different things.
I can only speak for myself, but firing several shots in rapid succession with slightly different trajectories to increase the probability of a hit at 200+yds at night is far from spray and pray.
I guess tier 1 snipers have a spotter to help them spray and pray. When one has a clue as to a bullet's trajectory placing several bullets in the path of a running critter on the fly has a much higher probability of a dead or stopped critter to allow for follow up shots. The farmer does not care how many hogs are recovered just how many don't come back.

a good poll would be bullet type, # of shots, # hogs killed

I think this will give a better picture of most effective bullet

The problem I have with match bullets like 69 gr and 77gr on hogs is this:

Thin Jacket installed from rear
Too heavy to launch fast enough from a 16" .223 barrel

On larger Hogs, I have found they do not penetrate enough and bullet weight retention is all over the place. I just had overall inconsistent results.

So far I have not have any get away with the HPBT, but I have not had hardly any hogs to shoot.
Over 120+ hogs in 1 yr 3yrs ago, 12 hogs all last yr, 3hogs yr to date. Hundreds of acres of watermelon, honey dew, sorghum, and corn.

100% agree on the 68/68 grain bthp bullets. I have taken a few pigs with a Hornady 68 grain BTHP, and you get absolutely no penetration. They are too soft and fragment bad.

The reason why the 55 grain FMJ works on big pigs is because of penetration. The bullet is able to hold together and reach stuff inside. At the speed they are going, they also have a lot of hydrostatic shock. I personally would not choose the 223 over a 300 blk out shooting the 125 supersonic hunting bullets. The 125's work like a charm on pigs.

Well I have just under 1000 69gr HPBT pills to get rid of. Guess it will be neck shots

Last hog shot with HPBT
This was SuperBowl BBQ

Hey look!^^^^^^^ Its the ever predictable post count insult strategy. I bet nobody has ever tried that approach before in the history of the internet!

By the way 603.....you have something brown on your nose.

So what do you say about folks from central Alabama on the Texas Hunting Forum?

70 gr Hornady GMX

There seems to be a greater Hog following in Texas. But thanks for the idea. I will add a forum to the Hog Rush website.

I am here to converse with other Hog Eradicators. To share my experiences and learn from others as well. Of what to do and what not to do.

Am I not welcome here?

As far as I am concerned, it's good to have you with us. Not everyone is as socially toxic as 'you know who'.

I'd say your more than welcome, just wondering what you could tell about a person from it like you can post count?

In all this hulabalo I think the point was lost. It was what do you use, not whats the "best" which is subjective, because what is best for me is not necessarily best for you. Most of us here are hunters not eradicators. Its more common for me to get 2 hogs with one bullet than to not get one with a bullet but im shooting at most singles/double from a rested position. If I was out shooting off hand 50 rounds a night I would likely shoot a different bullet as well. I feel for what I do, low round count hunting that you cant beat the 60 grain partition. I like it because of how it performs on not only head but body shots and my SIL and wife have used it to take many deer as well. Im not going to recommend shooting deer in the body with 223 55 grain FMJ so we use something that works for both.

I use that little plastic tooth pick at the end of my Swiss Army knife.

Chupa

Wow, this thread provides some VERY interesting reading!

Not that I'm any expert on the .223 ammo (I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express the other night, lol!), but my experience on my ranch is you get one, maybe two decent shots at a group of pigs before they scatter to the winds running full bore (always seem to run away from me in what seems to me to be the pig's version of a zig-zag pattern, lol). If I get them running cross ways to me then I have a better chance, but even then it often becomes a spray and pray approach. It's not unusual for us to go through 50 rounds of .223 in our AR15's on a given long weekend shooting at hogs. I also know, if you miss, it doesn't matter what round you're sending down the barrel! For these reasons, I tend to use the cheaper FMJ ammo. That said, I have taken down many of 200 lb hogs with one FMJ bullet to the head area or behind the shoulder and had them drop in their tracks or only take a step or two. For my money I think the FMJ rounds do just fine for me, that is unless I bring my 300BLK with the SDN-6 suppressor.....but that's a whole different story!

Hahaha I love it. Just caught up with the whole tiff on this thread...

Hog rush, without a doubt you've prolly killed more pigs than half the people on this forum combined. I've killed more animals with FMJ than anything else. No doubt I was on a budget goin through school, but there's even less doubt on the results.

JCB; definitely have to compliment you on your proper grammar throughout the arguments. That's about it though.

All jokes aside; everybody uses what works best for them, results = results. Period.

K my last post on this thread. Things have definitely gone a bit overboard.

But. I Accidentally hit that silly, really really, super funny pic JBC (JCB, CBJ, B.J.???) posted with the dog doin something weird, and it took me to this different link...

Was that a Jetta?