By solid I mean tough jacket not hollow point. I think you know what I meant but insist on being a "know it all"

I seriously doubt you have much killing experience with different types of 5.56mm ammo. You are just spewing on here what you read somewhere and ended up investing in. Trying to assure yourself of you purchase

I use what I use because it works. As I have said many times, the bullet choice varies based on what needs to be killed.
Just like the poster said after your post, I get a lot of yaw action and a high percentage of evicerations using the 55 gr. I pulled a bullet the other day that was in the opposite side hide from where it entered. Bullet was 100% weight and slightly bent.

It was not anywhere near the tangent from which it was fired.

I do not "spray and pray". I take deliberate aimed shots either kneeling or free hand standing.

My first choice would be my 6.5 Grendel. That alone is the better option. But the fact that ammo is scarce and I would rather not look for brass all night keeps it parked the the gun safe.

Keep spewing on the net what you read in your favorite gun rag.

I will keep using what I know works.
The right bullet
The right twist rate
Match trigger.

I am in The Great State Of Alabama.

Again, when selecting a bullet for killing anything, there are a few things to consider:

Twist rate
bullet weight
Bullet speed
Barrel length
Target density

I will admit, in the beginning, I tried what the "experts" recommended. However their data was based on thin skinned animals, target shooting, and in most cases sponsorship pressures.

I soon realized there had to be better choices and went back on my search based on logic and experience.
So I began trying different bullet weights, brands, and type.

With the 55gr m193, I rarely need to walk very far to find dead hogs. I rarely have a hit and run where I do not recover the Hog.

Simply put, they are just tools for me. I do not covet my rifles or have any safe queens. They get used regularly. Last night I busted a big ole sow at 50 yds. Just another DRT 55gr kill. She will eat good.

I have a full selection of rifles and uppers for my guests when they come eradicate with me. This is for those who think they need a big gun or something special. After all, paid hunters are the boss and I do not steer them one way or the other unless I am asked.

Good conversation going on. I don't use fmj simply because of over penetration and riccochets. Hog rush I see cattmmle behind those pigs that always scares me when using a fmj. Ricochet prolly won't kill a cow instantly but can really mess one up. It's not worth it to me. What u say?

No I didn't know what you meant. I thought you could have possibly been talking about your first choice (the TSX) which is certainly closer to a solid than the FMJ since its at least a mono metal. That's what I was really hoping your were talking about but instead you come out swinging making yourself even look dumber than you already did. And it doesn't take a "know it all" to know that a FMJ and a solid are nothing alike. But apparently in your mind they are (or at least close).

As far as me having any experience with the 5.56 on hogs.....well my adventures with the 5.56/223 are well documented right here on this very forum.

And you obviously don't have a clue what "spray and pray" is because you are doing exactly that in your video that you posted. I am not going to go back and count how many shots you fired and how many hogs you actually harvested but I would be willing to bet your shot to harvest ratio was some where worse than 2:1. That my friend is "spray and pray". I aint going to knock it though......"spray and pray" can be fun but you should at least know that's what you are doing when your shot to kill ratio is so lop sided.

If you want to use FMJ then be my guest. But me and you both know that you do so because of cost and not because you feel its anywhere near what one would consider a good hunting bullet.

Oh.......and my bullet tests that I do just about every year are well documented here on this site as well so yes I do understand a little bit about bullet construction and performance. No need to get my info from a forum/magazine/tv show/etc. like you just tried to insult me with. I tend to get my info from learning first hand. And learning is something you clearly need more of.

Personally, I don't see the need or justification for verbally beating on Hog Rush. Sounds to me like the guy knows what he's doing, and he sure has the right to an opinion. I will admit that I have never shot a hog with a 55 gr FMJ. I've shot them with 55 gr Nosler SBBT, 55 gr Nosler BT, 55 gr Sierra GK, 63 gr Sierra SMP, 60 gr Nosler SBBT (which I still wish they made), 60 gr Partitions, and 65 gr Sierra GK's. Of those, my two favorites are the 65 gr GK and the 60 gr Partition. Actually, my most recent favorite is the 100 gr Nosler BT in my 260, but we are talking 22 caliber right now.

I don't know what JCB's bullet tests are, but if it's water bottles, that's mostly worthless info to me. But maybe he shot a bunch of hogs over a bunch of years and his opinion is based on real world usage. In that case, he's worth listening to also.

Sometimes you think a bullet is just the thing for this or that. And I thought that the 125 gr JHP in my 357 Mag would be deadly on hogs. Nope. But I had some heavier cast bullets in a Keith style. Man, that knocked hogs down hard. So don't trash talk a bullet until you've used it enough times to have a real opinion. I'm not going to rush out and buy a bunch of 55 gr FMJ's, but if that's what Hog Rush likes, then I'm happy for him.

And note that Hog Rush was strong on placement. That will make a big diff on how a bullet performs. I shoot em behind the shoulder, so my bullet performance knowledge is based on that. Somebody that's a neck shooter can have a completely different opinion and still be right.

Yup, I figured that is why they made HPs.

I rarely get a pass through on a Hog.

Your comments are one of the reasons I use a .223 to begin with. I know a lot of people who use a .308 and so forth. Too much emphasis is placed on instant gratification and Hogs dropping in their tracks. So a bigger caliber is chosen more often as well as poor bullet selection.

In this video, I had one shot stoppages on large 250lb Hogs. 55gr FMJ was the bullet. I was lucky. Always lucky with the way I spray and Pray.



Here are some more lucky shots with one shot stoppages. More spraying and praying. 55gr FMJ :



Again, it seems like every time I go out to kill Hogs I get lucky. I need to teach a Spray and Praying Class. Anyone want to sign up?




I really got lucky in this video. One shot stop on a 400 lb sow. I had my lucky rabbits foot in my pocket that night. More spraying and praying... I need to hit the casino with all this luck I am having Spraying and Praying.





...oh, how could I forget this one...Long range Spraying and praying.




I have a heap more footage I have not leaked yet I am saving for the DVD series.

I think after this thread, I will name one of the dvds:

"Spraying and Praying"

HogRush my Brotha! Use whatever works for you, I won't fault you for that. You are tr ying to put as many critters down for your clients at a qouted price. I can't fault you for that, hell, I applaud you for that. Please keep doing it, I might be a client one day. All I ask is to not be BS'd, you're not saying FMJ's are the be all? Are you? Adequate at best maybe? Under ideal circumstances? I want you to succeed and I want you to be successful, kill hogs and make money in the process. Maybe you've already done this, just admit that an FMJ... is GENERALLY a poor "Killer" compared to other projectile designes.


Chupa

BTW, let me know when the DVD is available, I dig pork chops!!!

Chupa

I'll say this, I've been going hog hunting with a buddy here lately whose big into it, and all he uses is 55gr FMJ. I was skeptical and hesitant to use them, I usually use Winchester 64gr Powerpoints. But he told me that is all he has ever used, so I tried em out. We've dropped about 10 or so hogs with them. Most were headshots, some were not. Either way, they still dropped. They absolutely will work. Easier on the wallet too.

Sir, I did. Thin skinned animals need a bullet constructed in a way that allows rapid expansion without over penetration. That same bullet would not be the ideal choice for knarly Hogs. Especially larger Hogs.

FMJ is an ill suited round for thin skinned animals.

My experience shows that (5.56mm related) when killing Wild Hogs and other pests...a light, hard projectile, traveling at the speed of light, bursting from the confines of a slower twist rate barrel, followed by a Hooper Ordnance Titanium suppressor, will on a consistent basis complete the following tasks:

Create a cranial flap on a coyote, when struck at approx. 160 yds (see video #1 below)
Cause both eyes on a Hog to bug out when struck between the eyes at 30 feet(See video #2 below)
Cause complete eviscerations on a regular basis (seen more on running shots)
Blow body parts off juvenile pigs (See video #3 below)
Cause one shot body dumps on large Hogs...See Hog Rush Youtube channel(See video #3 below)
Makes the Big Girls Squeal
Cause complete cranial evacuation (See video #4 below)
Dump running coyotes at distance (See video #5 below)
Dump Large Running Boar Hogs at distance (See video #6 below)
Dump a 500lb Boar Hog when your buddy Dicks up the first shot (see video #7 below)
Allow you to steal kills when your buddy is slow on the trigger (see video#8 below)

Video #1



Video #2



Video #3



Video #4



Video #5



Video #6



Video #7



Video #8

As I said in my first post, the "Know it alls" would not believe me about 55gr fmj. A couple here have laid down their Guns and Ammo magazine long enough to spew their sponsorship paid knowledge they gained from paid ads. Knowledge that could never be wrong because a paid "Expert" was quoted and it was put in print.

I was put in my place by these forum members here who had bought into the commercial sporting industry machine, invested their money based on what the "Expert" said. I was put in my place because my choice of ammo was not what the "Expert" said to buy. My posts made them feel betrayed by their Favorite Gun Rag.

I am told I "Spray and Pray". Firing blindly into the night carelessly, praying for a kill. I am just glad I was able to document these occurrences using the 55gr fmj, because no one would ever believe my prayers were answered on such a regular basis.

My God man did you even watch your own videos??? That last video was "spray and pray" at its finest! I counted 50-60 shots in that last video and you had what.......maybe 6-7 actual kills??? And if you combine all the videos together you fired 95-100 shots and got 22-25 hogs and you are here braging about your marksmanship and what a great job those bullets are doing! You have got to be kidding me!!!!! Yes there were some one shot kills in there but that was obviously the exception and not the rule! You know that old saying...."a blind squirrel can find a nut every now and then"? Well that's what those videos reminded me of.

Look.....nobody is going to argue the fact that FMJ will kill. It most certainly will and I am guilty of using both the 193 and 855 myself on hogs but I aint foolish enough to believe that it is some kind of superior bullet to a lot of the other bullets mentioned here on this thread like you apparently think it is. All I can say is if you really think that the FMJ is superior to a lot of the other bullets here on this thread then you are only fooling yourself. Anyone with any basic knowledge of bullets knows better but I guess that's your story and you are sticking to it. Keep telling yourself that and you might actually believe it some day!

Keep posting more of those videos! I love it when people toot their own horns and win the argument for their opposition. SMH!


And something we haven't even touched on yet is what the FMJ is suppose to do. Do you know what the theory behind the FMJ is???? I will tell you........its to wound NOT kill. The whole idea behind the FMJ is to not kill the enemy but to wound him. If you wound him you not only take out him but also two other soldiers that will then have to carry him to safety which means you really took out 3 fighters. The theory is to do minimum damage but still incapacitate. Theres your lesson for today. Now does that sound like a good hunting bullet to you??? LOL!

I think I have shown plenty of video evidence to prove my point. There is a lot more that I have not even viewed after shooting yet. I just backed it up to hard drive and will get to it when I can. No BS.

Sir, the icing on the cake, is that they are cheaper rounds. I will use what works. If I thought that handloads using Barnes TSX was worth the benefit vs. 55gr FMJ, I would load them and shoot them. I like seeing stuff dead. I have the equipment and know how to load them. I load my .308 LR ammo.


The thing is, it is not worth the extra effort for a little better performance gains.

I try and stick to this:
Bullet selection...Hard thick jacket and core
bullet weight...light...55gr
bullet speed...speed of light
twist rate...barely stabile
Shot placement...head/neck/spine

Believe what you want. All Nay Sayers prove me wrong by showing proof. All I see you doing is repeating what you read or overheard at the local gun store.

Again, you post what an expert was quoted as saying and it was put in print. What you heard. All based on a thin skinned animal. A Human. NOT A BOAR HOG.

You must be well invested in your high priced ammo and gear. Purchasing decisions based on what a company paid your sporting goods store rep to say or gun rag to print.

I doubt you have any good lessons to teach anyone. Aside from bad purchasing behavior. How to listen to experts maybe.

You have missed my entire point of my postings. Examine your prey. Make decisions based on what you know. Not what "Experts" tell you or have been quoted as saying.

Your reading comprehension is as bad as your choice in bullets. I have already told you I learn hands on.

So which "expert" should I listen to anyway??? You??? The same guy that thought a FMJ was a solid??? LOL!

Hey, we killed 8 actually out of that bunch. Holy crap that was fun. Did you catch the mag change?lol

It was hard hitting those running hogs at 250 yds. Fun...and I love a challenge. But did you notice the hits took them down at distance?

I would love for you to come down and hunt with me. Get your marksmanship on video. See what a man with such vast knowledge can do. See what all the fuss is about with this pretty boxed ammo.

You know what I meant yet still try and grasp to one thing that, in your mind, helps you affirm your purchases.

By solid, to spell it out for you, I mean hard, strong, dense, etc...

Not a thin jacketed bullet or soft point.

Come hunt with me and lets see your best. I will put a Thermal on your rifle and cap the muzzle with a suppressor for you to use.

What purchases would that be? I already told you I use 193 and 855 for spray and pray. Its fun no doubt but I aint the one trying to convince others that its superior to a real hunting bullet when the real reason I buy and use it in that type of situation where high volume shooting is involved is the cheaper cost.

And I will pass on the hog hunt. I have more than my share to hunt much closer to home than Alabama.

Well even with your eyes closed if you put enough boollits in the air something is bound to run into one.....

A majestic 14 shots to put two wounded down works for me..

Hog Rush, if you like using FMJ's then USE them. This topic comes up over & again. Different strokes for different folks. I choose not to use them for my own reasons coming from years of personal experience hunting hogs. I have been an avid pig hunter since I was a teenager and have guided lord knows how many pig hunts. I am also involved in a full time feral pig eradication business when I can. I only tell you this to let you know that I get my info/experience from the field, not a magazine or the internet. Like mentioned before, I have seen a lot of pigs shot and I'm the guy who wants to see what that bullet did to a pig. If you are killing pigs then you are doing a good thing . In my 223/5.56 I shoot the bullets that I shoot (Winchester Rangers) because my gun likes them and they do their job as long as I do, and not too expensive when buying in bulk (still not reloading yet). When I let a client use my gun I have more confidence in the SP than a HP because they DO sometimes hit the body and they will penetrate better and do their job which normally isn't a problem in the open farm country. Especially in the brush country where I often hunt, you don't normally get a second shot anyway so I want a good hunting bullet that will enter the head or neck and blow up putting it down right there. Can you drop a pig in one shot with a FMJ bullet? Well of course. It's just not my choice for my own reasons. My pig hunting buddy that owns the business likes BIG guns, solid bullets, and takes a lot of body shots. I don't, I like a smaller gun, with a ballistic tip/hollow point, and I aim at the head or neck even on running shots. We differ on that, but we still kill the heck out of pigs and enjoy every minute of it.

Now that is pretty funny.lol

The average went up last night. Had a trio down to kill some Hogs. Guy smoked a 300 lb Boar Hog, one shot with 55gr FMJ 50 yds.

Bullet entered 3 ribs behind front shoulder and punched through leaving a bloody mess. DRT

Exit hole was the size of a half dollar. We said a prayer when we saw the Hogs in the Truck FLIR.
Once again, the prayer was answered. I am now adding a training class to my list of services on the web site.

Spray and Pray 101:
12am-4am....Professor Kill Thief

***Required reading...for class:
Guns and Ammo Magazine. All 6 recent issues prior to class start date.
All Posts made by Expert JCB on TX Hog Hunt forum
The Matrix



One Shot, One Squeal.