What are you watching for??? You have seen this game played out numerous times

Figure it won't be long before STX and RM join back in...

We can start a thread about rules on a lease and you and I can argue after I am done with Bobo

Final answer? Is that for all of Texas or does it extend into the Midwest and Northern states too?

What about West?

Until they run out of teeth and hardened gum line. As you head West, they lose teeth quicker, it's all the camp fuel & phosphorous baking in the hot dry sun.

New lease, new rules. Kill em when they are mature. Six and a half. I'm going to start in August going over all the birth certificates to see who's old enough to die.

I don't see that trend being true.

If I wasn't already spread out, I would apply...not sure I would pass the application process but I would should give it a try. I have wanted to get back to the panhandle, sure miss that area.


You should just get on our lease and see how it works

Heck, he's old enough to have forgotten to hide during daylight hours.

Mine finally went AWOL after a 4yr run of trying to kill him.

He slipped up twice. Once in rut, and ran by my buddy. Which gave me the canyon he was living in second time I caught him at dark but 422 yards and I didn't feel I could make the shot. He stayed pretty nocturnal outside of peak rut(kind of his history last three years). Might caught him in sept, but after sept he is a ghost until rut. Just doesn't have the love of corn.

Only deer that's really peaked my interest last two year.

Bobo shoots them little quarter bore rifles. He cant reach out and touch them......

Proves you had good genetics to begin with and your allowing them you get to an age to express those genetics. Instead of going through trail cam photos of 20 bucks at 4.5 or older now your just going through photos of 5 bucks to find the top one.

We've had two deer over 200 and several other book deer in last 8 years and we didnt cull. Nor supplemental feed.

You either have the genetics or don't. You're not going to play hand of God and change the genetics...until you can document and control every breeding.

Neither side of the culling debate is wrong or right. ... is the point of my post. Its the common theme between the two that is.

No, it won't nor would you be breeding inferior deer any more than if you don't take them.

Only difference is with a heavy culling program is the bucks you perceived to be better make it to 6, 7, 8 years of age. In other words you see them longer and for the most part only deer that you see get that old. you are still going to be culling every year. Year in year out. Day you stop culling you still have same genetics as before.

Biggest difference is now all you $$$ and efforts are now concentrated on the ones you let live. But you still will be culling. ....

Proves you had good genetics to begin with and your allowing them you get to an age to express those genetics. Instead of going through trail cam photos of 20 bucks at 4.5 or older now your just going through photos of 5 bucks to find the top one.

We've had two deer over 200 and several other book deer in last 8 years and we didnt cull. Nor supplemental feed.

You either have the genetics or don't. You're not going to play hand of God and change the genetics...until you can document and control every breeding.

Neither side of the culling debate is wrong or right. ... is the point of my post. Its the common theme between the two that is.

very light. Heaviest part of the ranch last year i owned it was 1 to 90 acres if I remember correctly. Very rarely did we not have an 8pt break 135-145 as 6.5 year old either though.

We don't cull bucks in TX either ( brady or mason) either just heavy doe harvest.

You already have and provided us with photo-evidence.

I don't try other to alter the deer other than get rid of a buck that has really screwed up antlers. But I do try to alter the look of my Ibex. And from my experience with that it is a long drawn out process. I have been trying to alter them for over 20 years and I still have a long way to go. I can only imagine the problems associated with trying to change WT not in a confined pen. You are never going to get the exact type of deer you want because there are always going to be bucks breeding does that are not to your liking. You can take out the bucks you don't like but you don't know what the doe is responsible for. You could have the perfect buck and the perfect doe and still not get a perfect fawn. Unless you own your place or have a lifetime lease and you are still a young man just enjoy the hunting as it is because you don't have enough years left to worry about changing the deer herd.

 
Again how can a dead deer keep breeding his look or genetics if he is dead and gone? The deer left that you like keep breeding their "look" and genetics. If culling does not work then why do ranches that cull heavily see continue improvement over time? I fully agree that your genetics are there. What you do with that genetics is what changes the looks of the overall herd IMO. Those deer that you left and percieved to be better are getting to breed and pass on their genetics longer. You can look at pics or deer taken in the past off of a ranch and see the genetic characteristics that are prevalent for that area.

Because we are assuming the buck is the bottom or top of the antler genetic pool. You are also assuming only mature bucks breed.
Then via you and TLK way of thinking eventually yall will be ONLY culling 155" 10pts in a couple years, never anything smaller. If that's the case you win, But that's not the case.

You don't want to waste your money and time supplementing your bottom end genetics no problem. Killing them or leaving them doesn't effect genetic make up of your herd, if it was the case you wouldn't have 8pts ever. ...