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 Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: Opening Day]
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04/10/14 05:08 PM
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stxranchman
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This all fine and dandy if you are on a lease with these rules. I understand! I also understand that some people, including myself hunt in an area that deer will never live to become mature. I hunt in an AR county and people shoot LEGAL deer that never make it to a mature age. Are they wrong for doing this? Am I to judge them? The deer are legal. They are paying for the lease and to hunt, so are they wrong? I fully understand the concept of trying to manage but if I did this I would never shoot anything. I pay out the wazoo to hunt and would like to occasionally have something to put into he freezer. Am I wrong? I would love to hunt in an area that everyone hunts mature deer but I don't, so I think there is nothing wrong with putting meat in the freezer. As I said I do pay to hunt. My buddy owns a place in Colorado county much like you just described. 50 acres south of Weimar surrounded by similar sized tracts Since they have stopped shooting bucks less than 4 years old they have consistently killed 4 year old and older deer every year Go figure I agree 100%. I hunt in Lavaca County. I have said numerous times that the State just needs to stop hunting altogether for two years to help the deer population. I know this sounds crazy. It'll never happen but dreaming doesn't cost anything. Stopping hunt in the state for 2 yrs would be a recipe for disaster if we normal or above normal rainfall during that period of time. If the statewide buck to doe ratio were 1 buck to 4 doe and we got 80% fawn crop for 2 yrs population could almost double the first year alone. It won't double in buck numbers alone.
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: BenBob]
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04/10/14 05:09 PM
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rifleman
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But just think about how many culls you could shoot then!
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: rifleman]
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04/10/14 05:11 PM
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stxranchman
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But just think about how many culls you could shoot then! Most all of them would look starved to death spikes since the vast majority would be 1.5 yrs old when the season would reopen. So I am in 
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: BenBob]
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04/10/14 05:17 PM
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jshouse
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on my little place, 45 acres, i am surrounded by several smaller properties with nothing around me over 60 acres and hunters literally along and within sight of my fences. that being said, i have seen 4-5 mature bucks every year, granted the dont stick around for the winter, but they are all there all summer long and since starting cameras out there 3 years ago i have seen the same ones going on 3 summers now.
i would say that hunting pressure around me is pretty high and the total land around me is pretty small, yet several mature bucks seem to make it year after year.
if YOU want to see bigger bucks, i dont care where you are or how much land you have, or what your neighbors are doing, YOU cannot shoot them at 3.5yo.
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If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: stxranchman]
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04/10/14 05:19 PM
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But just think about how many culls you could shoot then! Most all of them would look starved to death spikes since the vast majority would be 1.5 yrs old when the season would reopen. So I am in Saving this quote for later spike debates. 
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: jshouse]
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04/10/14 05:20 PM
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on my little place, 45 acres, i am surrounded by several smaller properties with nothing around me over 60 acres and hunters literally along and within sight of my fences. that being said, i have seen 4-5 mature bucks every year, granted the dont stick around for the winter, but they are all there all summer long and since starting cameras out there 3 years ago i have seen the same ones going on 3 summers now.
i would say that hunting pressure around me is pretty high and the total land around me is pretty small, yet several mature bucks seem to make it year after year.
if YOU want to see bigger bucks, i dont care where you are or how much land you have, or what your neighbors are doing, YOU cannot shoot them at 3.5yo.
It's perfectly fine to shoot the 4yo 9pts though.
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: BenBob]
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04/10/14 05:23 PM
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jshouse
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that was one of the neighbors within spitting distance of my fence, and that was just one buck, there are still 3 that were higher on the list than him. that 9 wouldnt have been killed had he stayed on my side.
If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: BenBob]
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04/10/14 05:27 PM
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I thought he was Plan B. 
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: BenBob]
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04/10/14 05:28 PM
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jshouse
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my point was simply that those big boys have a way of surviving and ninja'in around unseen, just give them a chance....
If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: rifleman]
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04/10/14 05:30 PM
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I thought he was Plan B. he was forced on me as plan B by some internet bullies, i wouldnt have pulled the trigger on him, i wanted way too bad to see him next year.
If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: BenBob]
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04/10/14 05:30 PM
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stxranchman
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Why can't a buck be a trophy at 3 yrs of age? 
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: stxranchman]
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04/10/14 05:32 PM
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I thought he was Plan B. there really isnt a plan B out there anyway, my plan ends (dies) with plan A. Why can't a buck be a trophy at 3 yrs of age? it can, trophy is in the eye of the beholder.
If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: BenBob]
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04/10/14 05:33 PM
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jshouse
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just dont be-holding a 3.5yo at the meat pole on my lease
If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: jshouse]
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04/10/14 05:35 PM
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stxranchman
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just dont be-holding a 3.5yo at the meat pole on my lease Guess you wouldn't be hunting with Milo Hanson then. 
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: stxranchman]
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04/10/14 05:36 PM
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just dont be-holding a 3.5yo at the meat pole on my lease Guess you wouldn't be hunting with Milo Hanson then. could you imagine that sucker at 4.5 tho?
If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: jshouse]
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04/10/14 05:38 PM
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just dont be-holding a 3.5yo at the meat pole on my lease Guess you wouldn't be hunting with Milo Hanson then. could you imagine that sucker at 4.5 tho? He would never have seen it if I were hunting when he stepped out and I would not have lost any sleep over it 
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: jshouse]
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04/10/14 05:45 PM
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my point was simply that those big boys have a way of surviving and ninja'in around unseen, just give them a chance.... That one ninja'd into a bullet.
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: rifleman]
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04/10/14 05:49 PM
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my point was simply that those big boys have a way of surviving and ninja'in around unseen, just give them a chance.... That one ninja'd into a bullet. He prolly just lost a fight and was in shame...
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: stxranchman]
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04/10/14 05:50 PM
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Opening Day
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This all fine and dandy if you are on a lease with these rules. I understand! I also understand that some people, including myself hunt in an area that deer will never live to become mature. I hunt in an AR county and people shoot LEGAL deer that never make it to a mature age. Are they wrong for doing this? Am I to judge them? The deer are legal. They are paying for the lease and to hunt, so are they wrong? I fully understand the concept of trying to manage but if I did this I would never shoot anything. I pay out the wazoo to hunt and would like to occasionally have something to put into he freezer. Am I wrong? I would love to hunt in an area that everyone hunts mature deer but I don't, so I think there is nothing wrong with putting meat in the freezer. As I said I do pay to hunt. My buddy owns a place in Colorado county much like you just described. 50 acres south of Weimar surrounded by similar sized tracts Since they have stopped shooting bucks less than 4 years old they have consistently killed 4 year old and older deer every year Go figure I agree 100%. I hunt in Lavaca County. I have said numerous times that the State just needs to stop hunting altogether for two years to help the deer population. I know this sounds crazy. It'll never happen but dreaming doesn't cost anything. Stopping hunt in the state for 2 yrs would be a recipe for disaster if we normal or above normal rainfall during that period of time. If the statewide buck to doe ratio were 1 buck to 4 doe and we got 80% fawn crop for 2 yrs population could almost double the first year alone. It won't double in buck numbers alone. I didn't mean to stop hunting state wide. There are areas that would greatly benefit from no hunting for a few years, Lavaca County being one of them.would
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: rifleman]
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04/10/14 06:25 PM
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jshouse
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my point was simply that those big boys have a way of surviving and ninja'in around unseen, just give them a chance.... That one ninja'd into a bullet. i'll get his dad in about 6 months
If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: BenBob]
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04/10/14 06:36 PM
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We'll see, best o luck to ya. I have 3 that'll be 4yos I'm ready to see that I won't shoot regardless of what the www.bullies say.
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: stxranchman]
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04/10/14 06:38 PM
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don k
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Why can't a buck be a trophy at 3 yrs of age? Trying to stir the pot, heh ranchman.
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: BenBob]
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04/10/14 06:40 PM
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Stir-anchman is good at that.
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: BenBob]
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04/10/14 06:40 PM
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Some say 3.5, some 4.5, some 5.5, some 6.5, some 7.5, some 8.5. And everyone is right in their own minds. I never figured this thread for this amount of staying power.
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Re: Qualifications For Killing Bucks on Your Lease???
[Re: BenBob]
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04/10/14 06:42 PM
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