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Re: Diane Finestein [Re: billybob] #4992841 02/26/14 02:55 AM
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What's really scary is that, unless you have a wife, they withhold benefit payment, including back-pay, until they appoint a fiduciary. If you have a wife they don't. She gets the money.

edited to add: That was meant to be at least a bit humorous. (fail) They do conduct regular inspections and account audits to be sure the benefit payments are being used appropriately for the care of the Veteran.

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Re: Diane Finestein [Re: TF Panther] #4993428 02/26/14 03:06 PM
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I was going to let this lie but feel strong enough about the subject that I decided not. TF Panther...while your heart may be in the right place your mouth and mind aren't. First off you open a post about the subject ...then don't post the link to the article...then gripe later on because someone didn't view the video.
You begin misquoting Feinstein and was called on it.
You have no knowledge of existing gun laws or what legislation is coming down the road.
Then you "try" to attack the comments I made by coming up with senseless scenarios of killing women and shooting people in rice paddies, B52 pilots talking to medivac and about VN being a immoral and unjust war.
You have senselessly rambled on since you started this thread.
Yea you have a right to discuss anything you want but please stick to things you have knowledge for your own sake. Thank God we have competent representation with Vet organizations, NRA etc and not the likes of you.

Re: Diane Finestein [Re: TF Panther] #4993868 02/26/14 05:44 PM
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Ok, I won't let it go either. Since much has been said much must be answered. I did not post a link because I was on a tablet, and dont have the know how to post a link on it yet. Had anyone done a search with that qoute, numerous links would have instantly popped up. Whoa, high crime there.. You commenting without watching the video is on you. What she said was all vets should be denied because you can't tell who has it or who does not. So all vets should be treated as if they have it, as in "all vets have ptsd", the title. Glad to know you have no qualms about it as it might cut down on claims which was not her point. The qoute I posted was actually the title to the video, but while not using the exact words in that exact order her point was exactly the same thing.
Since you posted without watching it, which someone else quickly added the link, my comments ( immoral and unjust war) were to get you to open your eyes and see that you are included in that group, because that is how the anti gun establishment views you, Claim or no claim. I have explained this too you several times. I was also pointing out that because you had no problem killing as you said, that maybe you are more of a threat than a guy who sought help at the VA? After all what type of person has no feelings about that? One might say a sociopath, I bet Feinstein would think so, because that is her point, which you fail to grasp because you never watched it before commenting on it.

Our society as a whole has recently decided to trade in its sensibilities in the name of safety. There is an 18 yo named Justin Carter who made a sarcastic threat while playing an online video game in San Antonio as teens will do, with no record and no history.. He now faces 10 years in prison because another kid reported it after egging him on and had his bail set at 500k and had the pleasure of being sexually assaulted in jail for being a 18 yo smart alec. All the while claiming it was just a bad joke and bewildered as to how this is happening. Sorry still cant post a link try google. All in the name of "safety".

You also assume that I have a claim for it because I empathize with guys who do because I know what it was like to come home and feel like you don't belong amoung the civilized folks for a while, which is also her point, which alarmed me to no end.

It is not about safety it is about picking one group off at a time, starting with vets because we are an easy target and because they are not losing many votes because the majority vote Rep, you know the god, guns, and country rift raft. This is the first time in our nations history of Veterans which we are being eyed as a danger. Yes, all of us. Which is why the dhs, released a memo to law enforcement citing that they should be wary of returning veterans as they maybe involved in right wing extremism you know like the Tea party or some other crazy group who supports the Constitution, that Dems have labeled as terrorist groups and a threat to America ( sorry cant post a link try google).

If a guy is sayjng his dog is talking to him telling him to do bad things or some such then he needs to be commited (i am all for that) and taken before a judge for a proper judgement. Not given final judgement by diagnoses from a VA doc who might have their own agenda which is what is happening now on a national level to the tune of 129,000 and counting. There are many vets who are counter suing on the matter now because they disagee with the VA's findings but had no way to argue their side. VA said so, so it is final. Slippery slope.

So what she was saying was that you, me and the guys that got a letter are all one in the same. If we don't stick together they will get to us all sooner or later. Her intensions were clear which you would have known had you watched the video, think big picture, not what the law is this second which can be changed with the stroke of the pen which we are seeing currently.

now go back to being hung up on immoral and unjust again.

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5 yo kids are being kicked out of school for making hand gestures of a gun on the play ground all over the country. Another chewed a pop tart into the shape of a gun and was kicked out, all in the name of public safety.
I had to talk with my own 4 yo because his preschool was concerned, over his love for star wars (he wants to be luke skywalker....or a fireman) and him "pew, pewing bad guys (the empire) on the play ground. "Safety" is being used as a weapon, so forgive me for being leary when someone like Feinstein starts talking about keeping us safe from us vets claim or no claim, oh and 4 yo star wars fans.

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