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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
[Re: Navasot]
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01/27/14 06:48 PM
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"If you are against high fences then you also have to be against cities,drilling for gas and oil, basically all things humanity."  Do I have to be against puppies and baby kittens too?  There is no middle ground... left or right NP... Dang and I thought The Bunker was bad. 
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
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01/27/14 07:02 PM
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I have a couple of feeders, but haven't shot a deer at one for a couple of years. I have shot quite a few pigs however, which is what mostly gets me to hunt the feeder blinds. My deer are usually taken by hunting their travel patterns.
And the deer can get a little food from the feeders when forage isn't that good. That's one reason I feed year round.
For the record, I don't like the idea of high fencing areas. My wife is going to have her garden high fenced, but that's Ok since we'll be keeping deer out versus keeping them in.
Not my monkeys, not my circus...
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
[Re: jae011]
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01/27/14 07:11 PM
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I shoot animals under feeders... I shoot animals that never come to the feeder right across the creek from a feeder... I also have plenty of spots that never have seen a feeder and I shoot pigs, deer, coons, yotes, bobcats, fox etc... Its all the same to me and im just glad to have the option.. it would be nice if we could see our whole property from a ridge with spotting scopes or have CRP fields around every corner with very small choke points leading to them to set up on...but this is Tx and it don't come that easy for us so feeders just even the score imo.
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
[Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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01/27/14 07:15 PM
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"If you are against high fences then you also have to be against cities,drilling for gas and oil, basically all things humanity."  Do I have to be against puppies and baby kittens too?  There is no middle ground... left or right NP... Dang and I thought The Bunker was bad. Lol no you don't have to be against puppies and kittens lol. Then let me ask you Nogalus...what would you do about trigger happy neighbors? If reasoning with them will not work? And too many owners to make it work on neighboring ranches?
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
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01/27/14 07:24 PM
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Let them shoot? Or move... really all you can do
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
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01/27/14 07:28 PM
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I mean you can go the rich mans way out and fence it.. you probably also put that orange gun up to the tv screen to shoot ducks too.. 
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
[Re: Navasot]
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01/27/14 07:29 PM
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Let them shoot? Or move... really all you can do Ranch has been in fam since 1850's. Don't wanna move! Lol yeah the only option would be to let them shoot it up and have a crappy deer herd for someone against HF.
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
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01/27/14 07:34 PM
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Let them shoot? Or move... really all you can do Ranch has been in fam since 1850's. Don't wanna move! Lol yeah the only option would be to let them shoot it up and have a crappy deer herd for someone against HF. Unless we are talking about a small track of land I really don't see how they could ruin the deer herd..
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
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01/27/14 07:34 PM
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I mean you can go the rich mans way out and fence it.. you probably also put that orange gun up to the tv screen to shoot ducks too.. No don't play video games lol raise cattle and Have a roofing company. My fam did not put up fence cause of wealth. We installed ourselves and it took 10 years to complete.
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
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01/27/14 07:36 PM
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More power to you man gota do what you gota do.. id rather shoot crappy deer but the whole point of this is that's just me... Glad your keeping aholt of the family land and not selling it off in lots like every other family ranch
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
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01/27/14 07:40 PM
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More power to you man gota do what you gota do.. id rather shoot crappy deer but the whole point of this is that's just me... Glad your keeping aholt of the family land and not selling it off in lots like every other family ranch That was hard for us to shoot crappy young deer felt unethical, game proof was answer for us. Appreciate it! I don't admire people that sell off and pocket the $
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
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01/27/14 07:47 PM
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Antler greed would that be defined as the trigger happy neighbor or the guy that builds the great wall around them?
All my deer are free range and book eligible.....but that's just me. Now my exotics on the other hand.....well they are not!!!!!
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
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01/27/14 08:02 PM
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"If you are against high fences then you also have to be against cities,drilling for gas and oil, basically all things humanity."  Do I have to be against puppies and baby kittens too?  There is no middle ground... left or right NP... Dang and I thought The Bunker was bad. Lol no you don't have to be against puppies and kittens lol. Then let me ask you Nogalus...what would you do about trigger happy neighbors? If reasoning with them will not work? And too many owners to make it work on neighboring ranches? Well, in my particular case, I avoided the issue (bordered on almost all sides by remote National Forest rarely hunted).But I realize that is not possible in most cases. There are many ways to attempt to deal with it, some work better than others. Ultimately, you may just have to live with it. But enclosing a place with a HF throws the baby out with the bath water because IMO you are no longer hunting but shooting penned up animals.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
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01/27/14 08:05 PM
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Antler greed would that be defined as the trigger happy neighbor or the guy that builds the great wall around them?
All my deer are free range and book eligible.....but that's just me. Now my exotics on the other hand.....well they are not!!!!! +1. Amazing how the HF folks cannot see that they are neighbors too.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
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01/27/14 08:13 PM
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Antler greed would that be defined as the trigger happy neighbor or the guy that builds the great wall around them?
All my deer are free range and book eligible.....but that's just me. Now my exotics on the other hand.....well they are not!!!!! +1. Amazing how the HF folks cannot see that they are neighbors too. I think being HF guy and LF guy I think antler greed is in both obviously. We built fence over a decade time period to be able to manage our herd properly. On our LF property we do not need fence because low hunting pressure and smarter hunters. I love harvesting mature bucks.
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
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Definitly see your point of HF guy being greedy lol like I said earlier.
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
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01/27/14 08:21 PM
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Antler greed would that be defined as the trigger happy neighbor or the guy that builds the great wall around them?
All my deer are free range and book eligible.....but that's just me. Now my exotics on the other hand.....well they are not!!!!! +1. Amazing how the HF folks cannot see that they are neighbors too. I think being HF guy and LF guy I think antler greed is in both obviously. We built fence over a decade time period to be able to manage our herd properly. On our LF property we do not need fence because low hunting pressure and smarter hunters. I love harvesting mature bucks. Just so there is no misunderstanding nothing personal here. You sound like a fine young man who is mature beyond his years. Honestly, I doubt many much under 30 will be anti-HF since they have basically been the norm in much of Texas for so long. I love harvesting mature bucks too. Just like when I was younger I loved beautiful girls. But, in both cases, how you go about the chase is more important than just the "harvest". 
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
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01/27/14 08:25 PM
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Are we still talking about deer....
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
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01/27/14 08:43 PM
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Antler greed would that be defined as the trigger happy neighbor or the guy that builds the great wall around them?
All my deer are free range and book eligible.....but that's just me. Now my exotics on the other hand.....well they are not!!!!! +1. Amazing how the HF folks cannot s e that they are neighbors too. Sometimes it simply is nothing more then its their property and they will make enhancements as they see fit. One of my good friends owns a rather large property, he has four different small property owners that back up to him. There are 6 feeder with in 30 yards off his fence. He scared to hunt southern part of his ranch because of it. GW has advised all that the are basically shooting into his property, and he has legal recouse if they do. After three years he is tired of the safety issue. The dozer starts rolling this month, with roughly 2 miles of HF right behind the dozer. And no he isn't HF ing his entire place. Just the back fence. Some times we as hunters are our own worst enemies.
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, b/c they know not victory nor defeat"- #26 TR
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
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01/27/14 08:50 PM
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Antler greed would that be defined as the trigger happy neighbor or the guy that builds the great wall around them?
All my deer are free range and book eligible.....but that's just me. Now my exotics on the other hand.....well they are not!!!!! +1. Amazing how the HF folks cannot s e that they are neighbors too. Sometimes it simply is nothing more then its their property and they will make enhancements as they see fit. One of my good friends owns a rather large property, he has four different small property owners that back up to him. There are 6 feeder with in 30 yards off his fence. He scared to hunt southern part of his ranch because of it. GW has advised all that the are basically shooting into his property, and he has legal recouse if they do. After three years he is tired of the safety issue. The dozer starts rolling this month, with roughly 2 miles of HF right behind the dozer. And no he isn't HF ing his entire place. Just the back fence. Some times we as hunters are our own worst enemies. No [censored]................
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
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01/27/14 08:53 PM
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The idea of a fence stopping animals from freely walking somewhere else as being "bad" and against their natural flow is a bit unreasonable. If your against HF's then your also have to be against cities, drilling for gas and oil. basically all things humanity.
My stance on HF's are different than NP's, but it would be tough IMO to argue that fences do not restrict deer. A city is a little different than putting a fence around a section of land. I hunt on 6500 acres and see deer travel 3-4 miles on a regular basis. HF's do restrict deer movement. There are natural and man made barriers that restrict deer movement, but they are on a much larger scale and unavoidable in most cases. 640 acres is 1 mile by 1 mile so how many deer are really restricted on 6500 acres I personally could care less about fences, never really ment anything to me. An opportunity is an opportunity. Hunting has always been what you make it. You enjoyment strictly revolves around how you make it enjoy able. With that, your land do what you want with it, its yours
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, b/c they know not victory nor defeat"- #26 TR
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
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01/27/14 08:57 PM
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Antler greed would that be defined as the trigger happy neighbor or the guy that builds the great wall around them?
All my deer are free range and book eligible.....but that's just me. Now my exotics on the other hand.....well they are not!!!!! +1. Amazing how the HF folks cannot s e that they are neighbors too. Sometimes it simply is nothing more then its their property and they will make enhancements as they see fit. One of my good friends owns a rather large property, he has four different small property owners that back up to him. There are 6 feeder with in 30 yards off his fence. He scared to hunt southern part of his ranch because of it. GW has advised all that the are basically shooting into his property, and he has legal recouse if they do. After three years he is tired of the safety issue. The dozer starts rolling this month, with roughly 2 miles of HF right behind the dozer. And no he isn't HF ing his entire place. Just the back fence. Some times we as hunters are our own worst enemies. So true. Even in that case, I think the landowner simply fails to realize the detrimental effect that fence will have on BOTH properties. I've seen that done many times (HF one side)-the result is usually such a disruption in travel patterns that the whole area is negatively affected. Again, baby with bathwater IMO..... A HF is not magic that all of a sudden makes everything wine and roses. It often creates more negative challenges than those it was meant to alleviate.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
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01/27/14 09:05 PM
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Its private property, if you own it you can do what you want. Im not for or against high fences. I have killed exactly 1 spike buck and 2 raccoons in a high fence... it was very similar to hunting spike a spike buck and raccoons on our low fence property.
Do what you want on your place and be proud to do it. If your truly proud of it you wont care what other people think. If your shooting it to show of im sure you will be upset if people don't think much of it. Personally I don't give a rats behind what others think about how big my deer are, I shoot them for me.
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
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01/27/14 09:08 PM
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Was going to post this back when this thread was one page. Still think it applies, so here goes:
People that high fence are one of two people, either they are trying to make money from hunting in one way or another, or they are wealthy and trying to maintain some sort of control over nature.
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Re: Questions on ethics and hunting methods
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Was going to post this back when this thread was one page. Still think it applies, so here goes:
People that high fence are one of two people, either they are trying to make money from hunting in one way or another, or they are wealthy and trying to maintain some sort of control over nature.
Or maybe they just have a hobby of managing deer and want to make their deer all that they can be? Its hard to manage a low fence property. If you supplemental feed a low fence place to attract deer/bucks and help improve/sustain them through doubts fires etc. you will draw in more than can be supported.
It's hell eatin em live
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