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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
[Re: KingwoodCat]
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11/27/13 11:41 PM
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I personally have never lost one.
I can't remember not being able to find one myself. But I'm also one who only takes what I consider easy shots. I've never taken a shot beyond 100 yards, with most being within 75 yards.
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 12:12 AM
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lost one deer with my bow, never have lost one with a gun.
It's still "we the people", right?
"If it bleeds, we can kill it."
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 12:18 AM
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Based on many of the comments being made to posts concerning wounded deer left unrecovered, it seems there may be a wide range of opinion on how often a hunter could be expected to have a deer go unrecovered. And IMO, the discussion should also include missed shots since these often result in wounded deer despite any evidence of a hit.
IMO, losing a wounded deer should be rare simply because of the respect that should be given to the resource. It should not be a yearly occurrence by any means and should only happen very rarely.
As for missed shots, I feel these too should not be an annual event for hunters, but perhaps slightly more common than wounded deer left unrecovered. I've lost 3 in 50 years, one I still haven't figured out and the other two were my fault.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 12:35 AM
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The buck my son shot this past weekend was a great shot, perfect chest and the buck still ran off over 50 yards. We were fortunate to be able to watch it run and eventually dropped dead. Upon gutting the chest cavity was completely full of blood, lungs were mush and there was a hole in the heart (from bone or bullet??). Couldn't get any more text book than that.
But, there was no discernible blood trail, and the entrance wound was not large so there was little if any blood outside the body at the site of recovery. He bled fully internally. Had we been in some thick cover and he zig-zagged through it, he could have made for an interesting recovery. I'm going to use yours as an example of why I want them bleeding from both sides, I use a 300 Weatherby! Too much gun? NOPE! Two of the deer I lost was was a caliber bullet choice I shouldn't have used. Not that a bad shot was made by your son and congrats to him, it was the no blood I was using as an example.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 12:47 AM
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The biggest Muledeer buck I ever took never left a drop of blood, shot him on a step downhill with a 270 and 130's and he turned and just did that muledeer stoat out of sight. Had I not been so sure of my shot I could have easily decided I missed. Followed his tracks for about 200 yards and he was dead. Had the bullet exited there would have been blood flowing. It was so steep the horses kept sitting down on us trying to get up the hill.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 12:51 AM
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yeah the correct answer is you "should" NEVER lose one, but it DOES happen. I'd say you should expect to lose 1 out of 50 maybe.
Now MISSED deer are a raw spot on my butt, I'm sure A LOT of people shoot, and if the animal doesn't DRT they say they missed, and some people don't even go look... unless I know the person well I always insist we go look, if they don't want to I'll go look myself. I started doing this because we found a nubbin one year that had been drug behind a log and covered up. Yes, nothing serves as an indication of the honesty and character in a man any more, than what comes out of his mouth after shooting at a animal. This is not a blanket attack on long range shooting per se, but I wonder how the growth of this sport is going to result in more wounding and lost game. The recent development in LR equipment has brought the effectiveness and capability of rifles and scopes to a level inconceivable just a few decades ago. Unfortunately, the capability of beating hearts and quivering flesh and sweating fingers haven't improved at all. And I worry that if an animal disappears after a 1000-yd shot, how many gunmen will bother to go look for blood and hair? I share your concern regarding the long-range shooting trend now in vogue and promoted by so many. I'm afraid that in many (if not most) cases it ends up being an unethical farce that wounds many animals. I simply don't believe the performance of the shooter in the field matches up with these audacious claims of long range proficiency we see on the internet. Plus, at many of these extreme ranges discussed, even the most proficient shooters have no business taking the shot because so many variables are simply out of their control. My biggest concern with the long range guys is bullet performance, you get very little with those impact velocities at long range. That said the 3 I lost were under 250.
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 01:00 AM
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I have been hunting now for over 30 years and have not been able find but one. We gave it our best effort, let the shot area settle overnight and spent 8 hours the next day searching. Wasn't due to lack of effort. The shot at the time seemed right on as well. We found the sheds the next spring over 500 yards away. To this day I don't understand. He was shot with a 270 150 grain corelokt. Still not happy about it to this day.
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 01:20 AM
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If you don't want to say how many that's cool, just curiouse to know if you do know an accurate number? I would like to know more about his experience, types of game hunted, locations, and the answer to his own question also. Reason: he constantly sets himself on a pedestal as an expert of experts thinly-veiled in the form of "preachy" threads much like this one. If I am going to hear the preaching I would like to know a little about the preacher.So it seems like a fair inquiry to me. I did not keep a number, so it would only be an estimate. But I have hunted under MLD I, MLD III and ADCP permited ranches which give you tags to control population along with regular tags on my leases when hunting those in over 45 yrs of hunting. I have hunted all over Texas, in Kansas, and Alberta for WT and MD under LF and HF situations. My longest shot was just over 300 yards, do not often take shots over 200 yrds unless I have a really good rest and most shots are under 175 yds. I do not claim to be an expert nor do I want to be called one, but rather just someone who has experienced quite a bit while hunting and managing deer.
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 01:36 AM
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Sorry I must have been confused. I was asking about OP Texas Dan. Sorry again for the confusion STX.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 01:39 AM
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Sorry I must have been confused. I was asking about OP Texas Dan. Sorry again for the confusion STX. I thought you were talking about STX too... I was ready to request a change of his AKA to "expert of experts" 
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 01:42 AM
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Where's Bobo? 
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 01:42 AM
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Sorry I must have been confused. I was asking about OP Texas Dan. Sorry again for the confusion STX. No problem but Red Chevy replied to me and you quoted him so I was the one confused. It happens with age in my case.
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 01:44 AM
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Sorry I must have been confused. I was asking about OP Texas Dan. Sorry again for the confusion STX. I thought you were talking about STX too... I was ready to request a change of his AKA to "expert of experts"  don't you have some sand to blast off your boots? 
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 01:57 AM
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Pretty good credentials. From now on you are the "E of Es" stx. 
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 02:03 AM
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Sometimes the question's asked on this forum blow's me away !!!
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 02:06 AM
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Pretty good credentials. From now on you are the "E of Es" stx.  Well thanks but at least you did not say the "B of BS" 
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 02:20 AM
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Pretty good credentials. From now on you are the "E of Es" stx.  Well thanks but at least you did not say the "B of BS" I was going to say that...
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 02:21 AM
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Sometimes the question's asked on this forum blow's me away !!! Really? After almost 4 years it still surprises you?
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 03:05 AM
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I know it happens but you can take the time to know your self your gun and your hunting area to minimize it. It shouldn't ever happen if you do your part. Not saying my day won't come but I always make sure I know my gun very well before I ever take a shot.
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 04:43 AM
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........Never
THE ROAD GOES ON FOREVER AND THE PARTY NEVER ENDS.
F##K YOU JOE BIDEN !!!!! F##K YOU KH !!!!!!
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 05:19 AM
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Ideally never but we live in an imperfect world.
Wounding an animal is a horrible experience because as hunters we should all strive for a quick, clean kill. Sometimes it's human error, other times mechanical but it happens.
All we can do is try to prevent such accidents in the first place and that's the responsibility of every hunter.
"In a civilized and cultivated country, wild animals only continue to exist at all when preserved by sportsmen." -Theodore Roosevelt
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 11:19 AM
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Imperfect? http://www.texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4789186/KILL_THOSE_COYOTES#Post4789186Hey, the other critters have to eat also, and nothing goes to waste. Now that's the perfect world, you have to admit!
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Thursday at 12:45 PM #33 Once i learned that i didn't "NEED" to kill something, and that if i did kill something all the fun stopped and work began, i was a much better hunter.
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 01:24 PM
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One might come to the following understanding after reading all the comments shared...
You are most likely to be forgiven by your peers the first time you are unable to recover a wounded deer because it can happen to even the best shooters. Let it happen again and it will be recognized that you have a problem that must be corrected. Spend more time at the range and/or find a rifle that's more comfortable to you. That's because should it happen a third time, you're most likely going to need to find another group of guys to hunt with.
However, on some leases you might want to take corrective action after that first incident because a second time is all that's needed to send you packing.
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/28/13 02:31 PM
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 (Oh yeah - before you ask: 3 in about 40 years) 
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Re: How often should a hunter lose a deer?
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11/30/13 04:25 PM
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Sometimes the question's asked on this forum blow's me away !!! Really? After almost 4 years it still surprises you? What surprises me is how many play along....
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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