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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
[Re: Curly]
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11/12/13 01:55 AM
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Don't shoot an illegal deer and you don't have to worry about it. I bet he didn't mean to shoot an illegal buck Captain Obvious. Well sounds like it was well under the limit...don't shoot if in doubt captain obvious
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
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11/12/13 02:03 AM
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Don't shoot an illegal deer and you don't have to worry about it. I bet he didn't mean to shoot an illegal buck Captain Obvious. Well sounds like it was well under the limit...don't shoot if in doubt captain obvious You just don't get it do ya? I bet he wasn't in doubt when he shot......Captain Obvious. He was elderly and not in good health. You actually think he was wondering if it was legal or not when he shot it? Sounds like you have a lot of faith in people.
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
[Re: fireflyandrew]
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11/12/13 02:04 AM
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
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11/12/13 02:26 AM
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Feel sorry for the guy, but his age and health is irrelevant.
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
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11/12/13 02:31 AM
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I know it isnt what this thread is about, but there are so many posts in this thread about mature bucks not meeting AR's, and people still say they are good. It's not a hard concept...if you protect something, it will dominate. In this case, we are protecting small antlered deer. Real trophies are legal at 1-1/2, great bucks at 2-1/2, darn good bucks at 3-1/2-4-1/2, less than average deer at 5-1/2-6-1/2, and some terrible deer never make it. So which deer breeds the most does? The one that lives the most years of course! And there are still people out there that say AR's work. Well, go pee on your leg...you'll get wet but it ain't raining. Same goes for AR's, you'll see more mature deer, but by 10-15 generations the antlers will bs crap, and you'll have ticketed a lot of guys who made honest mistake along the way.
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
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11/12/13 02:39 AM
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Feel sorry for the guy, but his age and health is irrelevant. Says the guy who isn't on his way out.
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
[Re: ImBillT]
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11/12/13 02:41 AM
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Will This Strategy Select For "Narrow-Rack" Bucks?
Some people interpret this as a strategy that will select for branched-antlered deer with less than a 13" spread. Well, it will - until those deer reach the age at which their spread exceeds 13". In other words, this strategy will select for better quality (i.e., branched antlered) young bucks, and will allow many of them to mature before they are available for harvest. It will eliminate the risk of high-grading, which is a likely outcome when many hunters choose to use their only buck tag on a 6-point or 8-point yearling instead of using it on a spike. Hunters are correct when they say there are some "narrow-rack" older bucks out there. They are also right when they say a portion of them will be protected under this strategy, which is not desirable. We don't claim that this strategy is flawless. We must be mindful of the long-term effects. This strategy will allow hunters to "turn-over" the population. Based on 34 years of solid data from research that was designed to answer these questions, those older "narrow-rack" deer likely were spikes as yearlings. If hunters take advantage of the extra tag, they will reduce the incidence of those older "management bucks" that slip through the cracks. By the way, the incidence of mature bucks that would not be legal under this strategy is much lower than what one may expect. In most of the areas where we're considering such, less than 5% of the mature bucks would not be legal based on these criteria. But in those same areas, only 5% of the harvest consists of mature bucks!!! They simply aren't living that long. http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/wild/game_management/deer/antler_restrictions/
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
[Re: ImBillT]
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11/12/13 02:42 AM
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Feel sorry for the guy, but his age and health is irrelevant. Says the guy who isn't on his way out. OK. 
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
[Re: cameron00]
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11/12/13 03:18 AM
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Hahaha. Keep telling yourself that.
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
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11/12/13 03:21 AM
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Next time you catch yourself going over the speed limit just head over to the nearest court house and pay the fine because the law is the law
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
[Re: jbd76266]
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11/12/13 03:24 AM
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Feel sorry for the guy, but his age and health is irrelevant. Says the guy who isn't on his way out. OK. Just saying that when you're 80 years old and dying of cancer feeling like you've given this country a lot more than it has given you and you think you have one last hunting season in you and then you make an honest mistake, you just might appreciate it if the younger generation went a little easy on you. Sometimes respecting your elders means forgiving some of their smaller mistakes.
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
[Re: ImBillT]
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11/12/13 03:32 AM
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As I said...I feel sorry for the guy (ie...compassion), but that is irrelevant to the OP of an AR enforcement on an illegal deer. What chart should these Game wardens refer to when enforcing the law so as to apply various exceptions? There isn't one...they are just doing their job as required.
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
[Re: ImBillT]
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11/12/13 03:46 AM
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Feel sorry for the guy, but his age and health is irrelevant. Says the guy who isn't on his way out. OK. Just saying that when you're 80 years old and dying of cancer feeling like you've given this country a lot more than it has given you and you think you have one last hunting season in you and then you make an honest mistake, you just might appreciate it if the younger generation went a little easy on you. Sometimes respecting your elders means forgiving some of their smaller mistakes. And it's all over an animal....oh wait, we're talking about the almighty whitetail buck. Never mind. I'm not just talking about laws and rules being broken but more so about the comments folks have made. Break a speed law and you can endanger another human's life, break the AR law and you're cheating someone out of shooting a future "trophy". So no, it's not the same thing.
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
[Re: Curly]
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11/12/13 03:56 AM
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AR's are awesome.....but not really.
What happened to just hunting?  great question. we got into a healthy AR debate on our lease a couple years ago and a buddy put it pretty well. "He said all this over an animal, we shoot and eat." I have to agree with your buddy. I've seen relationships wrecked, families at war, game laws violated, people harassed, feeders and other property destroyed, people shot at etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum, over a deer. Unbelievable.
Life is too short, as is. Don't chance it. Don't text and drive.
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
[Re: 10pointers]
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11/12/13 03:59 AM
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Next time you catch yourself going over the speed limit just head over to the nearest court house and pay the fine because the law is the law When I get caught, I don't complain and blame the law, the one who wrote the ticket, the one who made the sign, or make excuses because I was "only" 5 over
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
[Re: Curly]
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11/12/13 04:04 AM
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Just saying that when you're 80 years old and dying of cancer feeling like you've given this country a lot more than it has given you and you think you have one last hunting season in you and then you make an honest mistake, you just might appreciate it if the younger generation went a little easy on you. Sometimes respecting your elders means forgiving some of their smaller mistakes. [/quote] And it's all over an animal....oh wait, we're talking about the almighty whitetail buck. Never mind. I'm not just talking about laws and rules being broken but more so about the comments folks have made. Break a speed law and you can endanger another human's life, break the AR law and you're cheating someone out of shooting a future "trophy". So no, it's not the same thing. [/quote]
That's what I was getting at when I said "smaller mistakes". On a scale of 1-10 this law is a 1. Based on that, let the young 'uns and old 'uns slide if they aren't repeat offenders and everything else seems to be legal. I'm against AR's because I don't think they actually achieve their goal, and there will be accidents(and since there is nothing immoral about an honest mistake I don't like to punish them). However, not matter how much I'm against AR's, if the guy had been 40, in perfect health, and shot six deer last year, I'd be all about punishing him for breaking the law. Under the actual circumstances, I think the guy should get a pass this time.
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
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11/12/13 04:43 AM
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Next time you catch yourself going over the speed limit just head over to the nearest court house and pay the fine because the law is the law When I get caught, I don't complain and blame the law, the one who wrote the ticket, the one who made the sign, or make excuses because I was "only" 5 over When you get caught! Heck your so studeous about not shooting anything under 13" you should never go over a posted speed limit and know exactly were and what they are posted at whereever your at. Shame shame on you! And no I dont complain about being caught because I have not been caught yet! HA! Ha! Oh wait the jokes on me I have not seen anything thing legal to shoot or not legal to shoot in the past 5 years. Dang AR's suck
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
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11/12/13 12:21 PM
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The law says 13 inches, like it or not anything under is a violation, end of story! I also agree that age or ones health should have no bearing on this issue. With that said I would have this suggestion to the individual ticketed. Go directly to the district attorney and have a sit down, it's amazing what can be accomplished when this is done. While he may not and should not drop the charge he can drop or lessen the fine should he plead guilty to the charge. There's also the possibility the case could get dropped or just disappear in paper work never to even get before a judge. Hell ya never know the DA may be a hunter!
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
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11/12/13 12:48 PM
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As I said...I feel sorry for the guy (ie...compassion), but that is irrelevant to the OP of an AR enforcement on an illegal deer. What chart should these Game wardens refer to when enforcing the law so as to apply various exceptions? There isn't one...they are just doing their job as required. Since when are there no exceptions in law enforcement? I guess you beleive this Warden would have written a ticket if this was his father or grandfather. Anyone who doesn't see there are exceptions in law enforcement is blind.
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
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11/12/13 01:29 PM
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Not trying to throw cold water on age or health problems, but if one cannot see well enough to identify a legal buck then maybe he/she should not be shooting......I'm still curious as to who is complaining - the shooter or the OP. Wardens in our area were cutting slack for "real close" (and I mean "real" close) the first couple of years. Last year they said "grace period" is over and we will be enforcing this on a strict basis from now on. I personally won't shoot if I can't see at least a couple of inches of daylight between the ears and mainbeams. FWIW - I know several Wardens & LEO's who would write their own family up before a total stranger because in most cases they expect their family to know better. I don't necessarily agree with the AR's but it's in the book so we do it. Just maybe if a bunch of "hunters" hadn't been out shooting everything that walked by in the past we wouldn't have AR's now. On that note maybe if more people read the book we wouldn't have some of the other questions that get asked on here either. 
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
[Re: Hunt n Fish]
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11/12/13 02:27 PM
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Ever wonder how many non AR bucks are dragged into the bushes and left for the coyotes and pigs to eat?
coffee spelled backwards is eeffoc. I don't give eeffoc until I have my morning coffee.
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
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11/12/13 02:40 PM
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Ever wonder how many non AR bucks are dragged into the bushes and left for the coyotes and pigs to eat? sadly, probably more than anyone will ever know about.
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
[Re: Erathkid]
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11/12/13 02:42 PM
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AR's are awesome.....but not really.
What happened to just hunting?  great question. we got into a healthy AR debate on our lease a couple years ago and a buddy put it pretty well. "He said all this over an animal, we shoot and eat." I have to agree with your buddy. I've seen relationships wrecked, families at war, game laws violated, people harassed, feeders and other property destroyed, people shot at etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum, over a deer. Unbelievable. yessir, ridiculous
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
[Re: Erathkid]
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11/12/13 03:27 PM
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Yep, should have measured it in the field and then filed it under "camp meat" before trotting it back to camp.
How come everybody I meet is a deer hunting expert?
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Re: AR violation- I've now seen it enforced...
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11/12/13 04:27 PM
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I have a question about tags, and the head versus the body. I have always quartered my deer, cut the backstraps myself, and take the quarters to a processor. Most of my hunting was in MS which had no tags.
I killed a very legal buck a few days ago, I left the head/horns with my dad in one town to take to get a Euro mount to a place we know/trust, and took my quartered meat home (200+ miles away) to a family friends processor place. The intake person of my meat was a bit taken back that I did not have my tag, I explained it was tied to my horns which were at a taxidermy place. She took my meat but it opens up that question...
Where should the tag go/stay and was I actually illegal separating? I mean, they almost have to be separated at some point? Also got me to thinking had a I been stopped driving home with a cooler of meat and no tags, would I have trouble? The processing place can get fined for not have a tag with the meat,as well as you ticketed. Most people put tag on horns but....when seperated the tag always stays with the meat . But your suppose to have proof of sex as well I'm pretty sure. But I do know for sure your suppose to have tag with meat until you get it home. So if you bring in a quartered deer, how are they to know if its ax axis, fallow, or whitetail?
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