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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: webb1974]
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10/28/13 03:20 AM
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kyle1974
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sweet baby jesus... in this day an age, I'd never fork over the money for a lease without a written contract.
I'd hate to be the OP of the 153,345 thread on leases gone wrong.
Last edited by kyle1974; 10/28/13 03:21 AM.
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: 5Redman8]
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10/28/13 03:31 AM
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You didn't lose your lease....you gave it up.
You could still hunt but you have chosen not to do so.
If you can't hunt without your family/kid....it is your choice.
Landowner has the right to set the rules and you follow or leave. Damn. While technically true, it's also unnecessary and straight up cold-hearted. Why not just got to his home, kick him in the nuts and smack his daughter? To the OP: this happened to me and my father when I was 8, except we got the call while we were packing to leave. I was devastated. My dad kept the lease for the season but dumped it afterwards for a place I could go (he made it worth the while). Spent 26 years on the new lease. It sucks now, it sucks bad, but it will work out for the best.
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: John Humbert]
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10/28/13 03:57 AM
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So many things wrong here don't know where to start
First, you did not lose your lease. You elected not to hunt.
Second never heard of anyone getting into a "heated argument" with the landowner and have it turn out well. Did you really think getting heated with the landowner would work?
Does the LO lease to a group, or a bunch of individuals? If a group, then I would have suggested to the LO address his problem as a group - namely telling the one parent that the specific problem kid was banned.
If leased to individuals, then the LO should address the problem with that individual.
It sounds like you have/had some sort of personal relationship with LO since you were hanging out at his house. I would address the issue of kids with him WITH MY DAUGHTER PRESENT. For two reasons. First, to show that your child was different and respectful. Secondly, to have to the child hear the ban from the LO directly. Perhaps they would hesitate or make an exception when having to explain to child directly.
Finally, if you really made the decision to leave and the circumstances were untenable - you should have just quietly, discreetly gone anyway with your daughter. The worst thing that could have happened is that you would have been asked to leave - which you were going to do anyway.
Lastly, things like this are never best to be challenged or confronted directly or immediately. Let a day or two pass, then think about a strategy to reapproach the issue with the LO.
LO's, generally, are older folks with long years experience with kids. They know a single bad apple doesn't mean the whole bunch is spoiled - and know that parents come into play.
Just having a single kid that doesn't want to go out in the field doesn't sound right as to the whole story behind the sudden ban on kids. Sounds like there might be more to the story - so I would be hesitant to condemn the kid, LO, lessors, or parents until I knew the whole story. Great advice right here...I'd take her and let the chips fall where they may. You didn't sign a contract stating you wouldn't bring your child did you? Shoot everything legal that you can clean and eat. Find a new lease next year. Good luck.
Life is too short, as is. Don't chance it. Don't text and drive.
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: Erathkid]
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10/28/13 04:08 AM
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The first thing I've asked, and when looking for a lease, is if they're kid friendly. I've been very fortunate where I hunt in that they believe in promoting hunting for the next generation. I've been told by the older members that they want to see my son grow up hunting on their land. Through the years most of the younger kids have grown up and there are no longer kids. I think, on my two leases, kids bring back excitement to the older hunters, and the excitement back at camp.
Gun and bow hunter, and raising the future of hunting.
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: Erathkid]
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10/28/13 04:19 AM
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Had this happen to me a few years back. Too late to find a new lease. I hunted by myself and filled everyone of my tags. After my last hunt I went by and thanked the LO for the wonderful years we had had there and told him once again how sad I was about his decision and wished him well. I really liked the old fellow. ps. He and his wife got killed in a car wreck three months later and his grandson took over the place and the last I heard the lease has been hunted into oblivion. Glad I got out when I did. You never know how things are going to work out. Good luck to you.
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: sww]
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10/28/13 04:22 AM
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Just can't wrap my head around kids getting banned after five years of hunting. I think the guys are right, that there is more to the story. But all that matter to me is that you suddenly can't bring your child, and were not given notice. You've made hunting with your little girl a family tradition. Leaving her behind will break her heart. I have two little girls, 3 and 4 years old. I don't think I could do it to mine. Glad you got a refund
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: Regular Guy]
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10/28/13 08:56 AM
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I would demand a refund, and if he refused to refund and still refused to let your little girl come out then I'd skip the season and file a civil law suit. Uou been hunting there for 5 years with your little girl. He can't surprize you with a rule like that on the day you show up, with your child. That is a bunch of bull. May wanna read the OP and do a little monkey math..... I'd say there is plenty more to the story... girl ain't but 5 now, guess he could have been takin her from day 1 tho... Which could be Paul Harvey's "rest of the story" in itself... Maybe the LO was just trying to avoid hurt feelings by saying it was another kid? Niether here nor there, but reading forums and seeing some 1st hand where the number one staple when packing for the "hunt" is alcohol, I'd not want my kid hangin around anyway for what should be obvious reasons to a responsible adult... Besides, with all the sui happy freaks in the world now, where do you think the LO's would be if one of the kids get hurt on the place? Just a thought....
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: Salter4175]
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10/28/13 10:29 AM
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I 100% agree with you and your decision. While my kids are still young, I do not do things without them. You can't get this time back in their lives.
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: Salter4175]
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10/28/13 11:19 AM
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Deer camp is set up in the owners house? That sounds like the beginning of the problem.
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: Texan 65]
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10/28/13 12:44 PM
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Personally, I'm glad there are no 5 year olds at our camp. it's just too young for our crowd. I have a 10 year old boy who hasn't gone yet (for different reasons). No need to force it, the language at our camp is course and there is much celebration. I'll take him and mama after the first of the year and fish the big pond.
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: bigbob_ftw]
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10/28/13 12:57 PM
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I read all this thread only to find that you walked on the lease and that it was not "lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!". Rules is rules and he is the LO.
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: bigbob_ftw]
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10/28/13 01:01 PM
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Personally, I'm glad there are no 5 year olds at our camp. it's just too young for our crowd. I have a 10 year old boy who hasn't gone yet (for different reasons). No need to force it, the language at our camp is course and there is much celebration. I'll take him and mama after the first of the year and fish the big pond. To me if you cant take your kids with you because of what your doing or the people your around then maybe you shouldnt have had kids ! That just makes me so mad for people to say Sh@t like this after all your missing out on all the fun with your kids and teaching them what the outdoors are all about
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: Kenneth1977]
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10/28/13 01:08 PM
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Personally, I'm glad there are no 5 year olds at our camp. it's just too young for our crowd. I have a 10 year old boy who hasn't gone yet (for different reasons). No need to force it, the language at our camp is course and there is much celebration. I'll take him and mama after the first of the year and fish the big pond. To me if you cant take your kids with you because of what your doing or the people your around then maybe you shouldnt have had kids ! That just makes me so mad for people to say Sh@t like this after all your missing out on all the fun with your kids and teaching them what the outdoors are all about dial it back brother, I spend more than enough time with my kid. also, my son is autistic, and can't stand guns. why would I subject him to that. I do take him fishing and boating all summer, so I don't feel the least bit of guilt going hunting along.
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: bigbob_ftw]
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10/28/13 01:11 PM
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when I was young, kids didn't go to deer camp. we went bird hunting, fishing, etc. but deer camp was reserved for adults.
we had a kids weekend when would go and hunt does, etc. but that was about the extent of our deer hunting till we got to be about 10 or so. even then there were several "adults only" weekends.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: Kenneth1977]
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10/28/13 01:21 PM
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Personally, I'm glad there are no 5 year olds at our camp. it's just too young for our crowd. I have a 10 year old boy who hasn't gone yet (for different reasons). No need to force it, the language at our camp is course and there is much celebration. I'll take him and mama after the first of the year and fish the big pond. To me if you cant take your kids with you because of what your doing or the people your around then maybe you shouldnt have had kids !
That just makes me so mad for people to say Sh@t like this after all your missing out on all the fun with your kids and teaching them what the outdoors are all about There is a time and place for everything and parents have responsibilities that, for the most part, are ignored... Which leads to kids being banned from areas.... I love kids... but won't hesitate to tell someone to get em under control or off the place when they show up to visit... Nothing more aggravating than going to a place to eat, shopping, going for a little peace and quiet at the hunting lease or lake and someone is letting their kids run wild and disrupting everyone else... all for the sake of havin quality time wifda kids.... all well and good, but not at the expense of someone else's quality time...
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: Daven]
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10/28/13 01:33 PM
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One of the biggest reasons I'm glad Im on a lease by myself. Yep it's more expensive and lots more work without others pitching in to help out, but I don't have to be worried if I'm pizzing people off the whole time. If I want my kids there, I take them. If I want to kill a certain deer, I don't ask.
I'm sure I'm missing out on all the grown up fun....I guess, but if I want grown up fun and course language I could head to the local bar I suppose.
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: 8pointdrop]
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10/28/13 01:34 PM
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guys its Coarse language not course language.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: txtrophy85]
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10/28/13 01:36 PM
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bigbob_ftw
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guys its Coarse language not course language.

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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: txtrophy85]
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10/28/13 01:36 PM
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Golf course language!! I thought everyone knew that!!!  You're right
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: Salter4175]
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10/28/13 01:52 PM
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After reading this thread, sounds like there is more to the story than just "no more kids". Bottom line is, no written agreements, no basis for an argument. The LO can change the rules whenever, wherever and however he wants to, sometimes even with a written agreement. Also, why would anyone engage in a heated discussion about the negative affects a child had on the lease rules and regulations in front of their 5 year old child, especially if this was more than just a "child" issue as you stated "the LO was getting to be a bit shady the last few months". That right there puts the onus back on you as a lessee. Why would you continue to hunt a place when you are obviously going to be dealing with a problem sooner than later? Generally, these problems rear their ugly heads at the worst times IE a week before gun season! You should have gone with your gut 6 months ago and headed the problem off at the pass and got on a different lease.
How come everybody I meet is a deer hunting expert?
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: tShawnB]
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10/28/13 02:10 PM
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LO may have had an experience with a child that could have been life threatening and made LO want to eliminate the possibility of children in camp to avoid a possible injury, death, or lawsuit. I do not agree with it, but LO may have made the decision to remove children from the situation because an adult was not caring for his/her child. Most children problems occur because parents either are not watching them or do not discipline the children when the time comes. Adding children to a dangerous situation involving guns, open fires, SUVs, climbing into deer stands, snakes, etc. on top of a parent that does not properly supervise his/her child can unnerve older people who probably have the most to lose. I would have to bet that a lackadaisical parents is probably behind this new LO's rule.
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: BenBob]
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10/28/13 02:36 PM
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It's awesome how many people think they should be able to decide what's best for someone else's property. I hope they're not my neighbors.
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: BenBob]
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10/28/13 02:38 PM
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LO may have had an experience with a child that could have been life threatening and made LO want to eliminate the possibility of children in camp to avoid a possible injury, death, or lawsuit. I do not agree with it, but LO may have made the decision to remove children from the situation because an adult was not caring for his/her child. Most children problems occur because parents either are not watching them or do not discipline the children when the time comes. Adding children to a dangerous situation involving guns, open fires, SUVs, climbing into deer stands, snakes, etc. on top of a parent that does not properly supervise his/her child can unnerve older people who probably have the most to lose. I would have to bet that a lackadaisical parents is probably behind this new LO's rule. EXACTLY!!! And that's the first ones that would scream discrimination etc when they were told to just leave "thier" kid home... so you have to make it for all.....
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: Daven]
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10/28/13 03:07 PM
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Sometimes the parents don' see the problem with kids because their "little darling" is the problem.
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Re: Lost our lease last night!!! One week before gun season starts!!!
[Re: dogcatcher]
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10/28/13 03:25 PM
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heated discussion with land owner generally doesn't go well with hunters.
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