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Re: Rifle Recommendations for a beginner [Re: Chadillac] #4575906 09/17/13 05:52 PM
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Wiley I love reading your in depth responses.


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Re: Rifle Recommendations for a beginner [Re: Chadillac] #4576225 09/17/13 07:44 PM
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Remington model 700, 243 with Nikon 30x9x40 Lifetime warranty on scope.
Price will be approximate $600. for both.

Re: Rifle Recommendations for a beginner [Re: Chadillac] #4576805 09/17/13 11:04 PM
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243 then up to 30-06


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Re: Rifle Recommendations for a beginner [Re: ventura84] #4576880 09/17/13 11:30 PM
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I just bought a youth Remington 243 from Bass Pro for my son a few weeks ago. Its a little larger than a youth but perfect for me. the bolt is a little loose but it has plenty of power for the price. I spent a total of $375 out the door. (with scope. I really like my Rem 270 for long range shot. something to think about

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TR, thanks. Dunno how much longer I will have the time to sit and expound on the World According to Me. Anything to keep my mind off the Reality of my World and the "what if's".

For the last couple months we have been trying to sell this lakehouse and have had an ongoing medical event unfolding with my DiL. 6-8 weeks of tests beginning in May and various Dr's, surgery the 3rd week of August, then 3 1/2 weeks in the hospital , and finally she's home but unable to care for herself yet, so my wife is back up to bat, and has carried the load for most of this time, coordinating with my DiL's divorced parents who live in Oklahoma...leaving me to hold down the fort here at Texoma, and feeling like a 5th Wheel with a bad case of halitosis that's not needed.

The good news is there is no confirmed diagnosis of the active disease, everything had metastasized from the original site over a wide area but had not become active and "bloomed", she only lost 1 organ and a manageble piece of another instead of more than that as originally planned, and there will be no chemo or radiation required. Gonna be a shorter recovery than planned with the scheduled follow up, but this is the 2nd time they sent her home, and that trip blew up, failed and set her back a month.

Life is fleeting and a mixture of pain and joy. Enjoy what you have every day because you can loose it at any given moment, and never take anything for granted. I am happy to share my knowledge and hope ya'll take it with a pound of salt and apply it to your needs if it suits you.
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Re: Rifle Recommendations for a beginner [Re: WileyCoyote] #4579264 09/18/13 06:32 PM
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Being new, I imagine reloading isn't even considered yet.

My advice would be to see what ammo is readily available in your area and compare that with cost and make your decision.
From what I saw during the last ammo crunch .270 and the various 7mm magnums were always on the shelf. But thats here.
As for cost, .30-30 can be found for around half the cost of other cartidges mentioned meaning you can spend more time practicing for the same $.

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I would do a 243, 7mm-08, or 308.

Get a bolt action rifle of one of the major makers, weatherby, Remington, savage, tika, Winchester, ruger etc. get a decent scope you don't have to get a zeiss or swaro, just avoid the bsa simmons junk. Get some ammo and practice.

I would not buy a savage axis rem 710/770 etc, they are cheap for a reason and wont hold value like the others. If you buy a rem 700 savage 10, 110 or a ruger 77 etc you will likely be able to get your money back out of it if you find its not for you.

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Re: Rifle Recommendations for a beginner [Re: ventura84] #4579812 09/18/13 09:35 PM
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i'd say either a 270 or 30-06 because when you leave the ammo at home you can almost always find these two calibers at wally world. i've heard it said more than once that for an entry level rifle you want to spend 1/3 of your money on the glass and 2/3 on the rifle. if you want a little better quality spend 1/2 and 1/2 on rifle and glass.

you dont always get what you pay for in cheap rifles. if it were me, on the lower end i'd consider a savage. for a little more the weatherby s2's are really nice. a little better would be a remington 700. it goes up from there smile check out a cooper or a dakota smile the sky's the limit!

Re: Rifle Recommendations for a beginner [Re: Chadillac] #4579826 09/18/13 09:38 PM
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Whats your budget? that would help

Re: Rifle Recommendations for a beginner [Re: WileyCoyote] #4581117 09/19/13 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted By: WileyCoyote
1. define your budget and potential for use by distance expected to hunt at, and the kinds of critters you expect to hunt. This will answer your needs for how much quality you must afford for a rifle & scope...Under $500, under $800, under/over $1000.

2. The caliber for use in Texas can be anything from a 30-30 to one of the smaller magnums...but the "Great Average" deer/hog killers run from as mentioned 243 to 30'06. I am not a big fan of the 243 simply to escape recoil, IMO the 243 is more of an experts caliber and as such is indeed capable of success in Texas and elsewhere. I favor the minimum bullet weight of 120gr's @ a minimum of 27-2800 feet per second at the Muzzle for reliable Kill Shots for the Average Hunter. Wallyworld/Academy/Cabellas/BassPro/Gander Mtn priced & quality ammo is sufficient for anything you will ever hunt in 85-90% of North America in the Standard Calibers ...kinda like Regular Gas is used in 90% of the cars & Lt Duty trucks in the US instead of Premium Gas. As far as a good average caliber to use anywhere I'd suggest 7-08, 308, 270 or 30'06 as a place to start, or mebbe one of these will be the last gun you will ever NEED or buy. I think of these as "Little Red Riding Hood" calibers, not too big not to small, not too much recoil for anyone capable of hunting, ammo most always available and always at the cheapest price and good for anything on 4 feet you will want to shoot at anywhere & Reduced Recoil ammo if it is absolutely needed for a pre teen sized shooter.

3. Guns & scopes - heres where your budget speaks volumes, Under $500 choices are somewhat limited but doable, I favor the Ruger American @ around $350+/- and the balance of the bux around $100-$150 Plus the Sales Tax on the whole purchase for a $500+ Total out the Door +/- ammo in a 3x9x40 scope like a Bushnell Banner or Trophy, Sightron SI,or something with a Lifetime Warranty like the Sightron or a Swift Premier Grades in this same price range. Again there are lots of low end choices that are too cheap to be believed for a reason. Gun Mfg'er package deals traditionally are a bad choice 'cause they skimp on the scope's quality IMO.
An Under $800 Budget will get you a good well made Quality Gun or a Scope, but not both, and here IF you can find a clean Used rifle of more exspensive model that may be the way to go & be able to spend more money on a better scope.
At the Under/Over $1000 budget is where you can expect to find both a Good Qaulity gun & Scope at around $6-700 in the gun and the balance of $3-$400 in the scope.
EX: I looked at a nice clean used rifle yesterday in a caliber and brand I really like & respect in a Pawn shop that, if I had had the money available and in hand, I would not thought twice about spending the $1000 asking price with no haggling - which may be a 1st for me - in a New York Micro Second & the quality of the gun screamed for a $800/$1000+ scope, for a $2000+ Sales Tax total priced rig ...do I need it NO - I've got 4 other deer shooters now I don't use enough to justify buying another one, that has taken me 3 years to thin the herd and get down to just those 4, do I want it YES, but am I going to buy it NOT anytime soon. It was Georgous though! in a discontinued caliber I already shoot and am set up to reload for.

4. Budget Formula - I used to use a 2/3rd's Gun & 1/3rd Scope budget formula but with todays better quality low price guns you can afford to spend more on better Scopes & get the same results in accuracy. Shop hard & everywhere.

5. Accuracy and Functionality - Accuracy comes from Practice first, second and third. Yes some guns will prefer different brands & bullet weights & styles, but Practice time at the range is the bottom line key. The Big Box retailers promo ammo choices will have the best possible average bullet for Texas Hunting to start with in Federal, Remington & Winchester. You will need hands on experience to learn the differences YOUR GUN prefers and how that preference works on the targets you decide to hunt.

You didn't learn to drive a car by watching a video or asking other folks questions about what to do when UNTIL you had some behind the wheel experience to relate the answers to. I would like to think that if you practice just a little you can expect to be able to achieve "Minute of Deer" aka a 5 shot group with all 5 rounds hitting the target at under 3"s at 100 yard Hunting distances without any problems. Enough Practice may bring that 5 shot group to under 2"s each and every time you pull the trigger. Getting to being able to put all 5 rounds undr a 1" circle is not critical when hunting at around 100 yards...further out past 2-300 yards it Becomes critical for a clean kill.

TP&W used to say that 80/90+ % of all Deer Killed in Texas every year according to their surveys was done at around 75-100 yards...that may have changed a tad but not much I' sure, and mebbe you could safely add 25-50 yrds to that statement. All the calibers and guns you will have recommended can accomplish that easily...BUT ONLY if YOU do your part behind the trigger in Aiming Accurately.
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Re: Rifle Recommendations for a beginner [Re: ventura84] #4986107 02/21/14 10:29 PM
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Love my Remington model 600 6mm. Sometimes difficult to find shells, but great gun. My 10 year old has no problems shooting it. I got him a 7mm-08 so that we both can have a gun in the stand. Its a very good caliber for young'uns too.


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Lots of good and trendy calibers.

But one that is overlooked a lot is the 25-06

It has great ballistics, low recoil, has lots of choices for loads from varmints to big deer, good for short or long distance, and will drop any deer in Texas.

Very versatile.

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Re: Rifle Recommendations for a beginner [Re: ventura84] #4990772 02/25/14 01:20 AM
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Savage 111 with Nikon 3-9x40. $499 at academy in. Variety of calibers. I have the rifle with a little better scope in .270 and it is a sweet shooter.


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Re: Rifle Recommendations for a beginner [Re: Octopiston] #4995185 02/27/14 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted By: Octopiston
Being new, I imagine reloading isn't even considered yet.

My advice would be to see what ammo is readily available in your area and compare that with cost and make your decision.
From what I saw during the last ammo crunch .270 and the various 7mm magnums were always on the shelf. But thats here.
As for cost, .30-30 can be found for around half the cost of other cartidges mentioned meaning you can spend more time practicing for the same $.

x 2. I have never head a complaint from anyone I have come across on the .270. You can take any game in Texas with it & later, with the right bullet & powder and knowledge and a little help, you can carry it to Colorado, if needed. If not a solid back-up rifle for larger caliber cartridge you grow into. Good Luck & Good days afield.
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Can't go wrong with a 270. My wife had one in Montana. Shot everything from antelope to elk with it.

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Well I guess I'll chime in on this one. My choice would be the 30-06 followed closely by a 270. you can hunt just about anything in north America and you can find ammo just about everywhere. As far as the brand gun that's like asking what make truck to get. Everyone has there favorite. But it's hard to go wrong with any of the American made rifles such as Remington, savage, or Ruger. As has been said I would go to academy or you local gun shop and see what you like the best. Good luck.

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There are an almost limitless number of makers/calibers to choose from, and most would suit you just fine. What opportunities do you have? Are you hunting property that is heavily wooded, where you would likely get very few if any chances at a long range shot? Are you hunting senderos, where a long range shot would be the norm? How do you stand up to heavy recoil? Can you shoot a heavy recoiling rifle many times over without developing a flinch? And most importantly, what rifle do you think is cool? I started with a 243 Remington 788, and it was ridiculously accurate. I decided to move up to a Savage .270 for the bigger bullet, and still carry that rifle if I think I may have the opportunity for a longer shot. I have also used the following successfully, and each had their own strengths and weaknesses:
DPMS 20 lite in .223
Blackhawk .357 mag
T/C hawken .45 cal black powder
Marlin 336 30/30
Marlin 1895G 45/70
Remington woodsmaster 30-06
Remington model 70 in .270
old as hell Savage .410 with a slug (my first gun at age 10)
I have killed either deer/hogs or both with all of the above. My most recent purchase is a Rossi 92 in .357 mag. It will go on at least one hunt with me this year, if not more. I know it may not be the absolute best deer rifle around, but I know the caliber's limitations, and if I stay within them, I should be successful if a shot presents itself.

My point is, pick a gun that you would enjoy shooting, practice with it, know the limitations, and go hunting.

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KISS.......... 30.06 or .308

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