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One less water moccasin
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07/01/13 02:21 AM
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![](http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab41/TnT-Outfitters/224BE218-73DC-4FEA-BA9D-65E889DDC5ED-1258-000001668CE2A7DF.jpg) I got two of them, could only recovery one.
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Re: One less water moccasin
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#4356617
07/01/13 02:37 AM
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Combat Infantryman, the ultimate hunter where the prey shoots back. _____________"Illegitimus non carborundum est"_______________
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Re: One less water moccasin
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#4356647
07/01/13 02:55 AM
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txaggie02
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That's not a water moccasin. Some type of water snake. Looks like a diamondback.
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: txaggie02]
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07/01/13 03:14 AM
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That's not a water moccasin. Some type of water snake. Looks like a diamondback. agreed
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Re: One less water moccasin
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07/01/13 03:18 AM
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whatever you shot, it is expired.
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: txaggie02]
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07/01/13 03:19 AM
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BMD
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That's not a water moccasin. Some type of water snake. Looks like a diamondback.
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: BMD]
#4356702
07/01/13 03:24 AM
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txaggie02
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Moccasins have a more short and stubby body. Not long and slender one.
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: txaggie02]
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07/01/13 03:37 AM
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It's a good thing you know what your shooting at hahaha.
I'll take a Black Female every time.
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: MS1454]
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07/01/13 03:41 AM
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I didn't think it was dark enough for a water moccasin either, just not sure what else it would be. It was pissed, I know that. It was for sure an aggressive snake. If any body can identify itbthatvwould be awesome.
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Re: One less water moccasin
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#4356743
07/01/13 03:46 AM
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Guys, I just looked at "water moccasins" on google and it certainly looks like a couple in the photos...I always thought they were dark like the one on google but hey also have some that look like the one in the photo above.. ![stir stir](/forum/images/graemlins/default/stirthepot.gif)
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: Deerhunter61]
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07/01/13 03:47 AM
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Where'd you hear that? The internet?
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: Deerhunter61]
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07/01/13 03:57 AM
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Guys, I just looked at "water moccasins" on google and it certainly looks like a couple in the photos...I always thought they were dark like the one on google but hey also have some that look like the one in the photo above.. I did the same thing, i'm with you now. I go back to my previous statement and say one less water moccisan!!! Prove me wrong..
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Re: One less water moccasin
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#4356773
07/01/13 03:59 AM
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Mfloski
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regardless, one less snake!
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: Mfloski]
#4356794
07/01/13 04:18 AM
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ddr225
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I think cottonmouths and water snakes look alike by markings and color but the cottonmouth is definitely a short stubby snake. They all water cobras to me though, good shootin!
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: Mfloski]
#4356795
07/01/13 04:18 AM
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Good snake right there. ![up up](/forum/images/graemlins/default/cup.gif)
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers
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Re: One less water moccasin
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#4356808
07/01/13 04:27 AM
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txaggie02
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Guys, I just looked at "water moccasins" on google and it certainly looks like a couple in the photos...I always thought they were dark like the one on google but hey also have some that look like the one in the photo above.. I did the same thing, i'm with you now. I go back to my previous statement and say one less water moccisan!!! Prove me wrong.. It's a diamondback water snake. I killed tons of those things growing up. Trust me on this. Google "diamondback water snake" and you will see exactly what you killed.
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: txaggie02]
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07/01/13 04:47 AM
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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=water+moccasinsLook at definition 2 Water moccasin it term that includes all water snakes. COTTONMOUTH is a specific snake. However the term MOCCASIN has been used mostly to just (incorrectly) describe a cottonmouth. It seems most people don't know that it includes all water snakes.
"A good life is never too short" My Dad
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: target1911]
#4356844
07/01/13 05:12 AM
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txaggie02
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I don't really care what freedictionary.com says. Nobody considers a blotched, broad-banded, yellow-bellied, or diamondback water snake a water moccasin. Nobody.
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: target1911]
#4356856
07/01/13 05:30 AM
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Nice kill, BUT, A water moccasin(cottonmouth) has a triangle "viper" head ![](http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l634/philipa8822/water-moccasin-david-lee-thompson_zpsf36c2347.jpg) ![](http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l634/philipa8822/12840133337175_19_2_moccasin_cottonmouth_snake_zps652ef777.jpg) and they're going to be thick, not thin ![](http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l634/philipa8822/Agkistrodon_piscivorus_leucostomaL_zps4c60146f.jpg) I know alot of folks around here preach to let a good snake go, but I havent found a good use for any kind of water snake, yet....
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Re: One less water moccasin
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#4356884
07/01/13 07:07 AM
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BoogerHook2012
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Me either. They can still cause infection if you are bitten.
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: BoogerHook2012]
#4357093
07/01/13 01:04 PM
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swmays
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That beats all, an anorexic water moccasin...
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: swmays]
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07/01/13 01:27 PM
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Does anybody know the difference between male and female sizes because there was two of them and the other was way thicker. Once I got it on dry ground it came at me striking, looked a lot like that last pic above just not as dark colored.
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Re: One less water moccasin
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#4357162
07/01/13 01:45 PM
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That's a water snake, not a water moccasin. Trust me, I've killed plenty of moccasins (cottonmouths).
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: txaggie02]
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07/01/13 01:45 PM
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So I looked up diamond back water snake and it defiantly could have been that. I'm a big game hunting guide, not a snake expert, all I know is that myself and my dogs swim and fish in the water where it was killed regularly and I'm not Abigail fan of either of us getting bit. It looked like a moccasin to me, now it just looks like a dead snake.
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Re: One less water moccasin
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#4357175
07/01/13 01:50 PM
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BOBO the Clown
kind of a big deal
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Long live frogs and baby fishy's!!!!
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, b/c they know not victory nor defeat"- #26 TR
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Re: One less water moccasin
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#4357190
07/01/13 01:56 PM
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looks like a moccasin to me and i have killed more than my share of them. Good job
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Re: One less water moccasin
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07/01/13 01:57 PM
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drakedoctor
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Live to hunt, hunt to live.
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Re: One less water moccasin
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#4357476
07/01/13 04:17 PM
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Grass Monster
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not a moccasin, better to let them go
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: west-tex]
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07/01/13 04:28 PM
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FISHUNTER
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looks like a moccasin to me and i have killed more than my share of them. Good job ![wtf wtf](/forum/images/graemlins/default/eek7.gif)
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Re: One less water moccasin
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07/01/13 04:37 PM
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Fine work on that diamondbackwatercobrarattlermambapython
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Re: One less water moccasin
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07/01/13 04:43 PM
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For some reason all those water snakes (venomous or not) are grumpier than Paula Deen watching BET. ![bolt bolt](/forum/images/graemlins/default/bolt.gif)
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Re: One less water moccasin
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07/01/13 04:44 PM
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It's all in the head.
Pit vipers (like WMs) have a triangular shaped head. Other snakes do not. The only poisonous snake native to North America that is not a pit viper is a coral snake. The others (WM, copperheads, and rattlesnakes) are pit vipers with a triangular shaped head.
That is not a WM.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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07/01/13 04:59 PM
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BOBO the Clown
kind of a big deal
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Pretty simple if you are from east of 45, its a water snake not a CM. Yall live with them so you know the difference.
If you are from west of 35 and it doesn't have a blue belly or isn't a bull snake and its in the water, and has a nasty temper its a WM. Good snakes in west tx are playful snakes, that eat other snakes
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, b/c they know not victory nor defeat"- #26 TR
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Re: One less water moccasin
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07/01/13 04:59 PM
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Guys, I just looked at "water moccasins" on google and it certainly looks like a couple in the photos...I always thought they were dark like the one on google but hey also have some that look like the one in the photo above.. I did the same thing, i'm with you now. I go back to my previous statement and say one less water moccisan!!! Prove me wrong.. It's not a "Pit viper". no triangular head, too long and skinny. Banded water snake.
Life is too short, as is. Don't chance it. Don't text and drive.
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Re: One less water moccasin
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07/01/13 05:10 PM
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Re: One less water moccasin
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07/01/13 08:37 PM
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It's all in the head.
Pit vipers (like WMs) have a triangular shaped head. Other snakes do not. The only poisonous snake native to North America that is not a pit viper is a coral snake. The others (WM, copperheads, and rattlesnakes) are pit vipers with a triangular shaped head.
That is not a WM. Yep. That's what we live by at my house. My kids know the difference.
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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07/01/13 09:12 PM
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It's all in the head.
Pit vipers (like WMs) have a triangular shaped head. Other snakes do not. The only poisonous snake native to North America that is not a pit viper is a coral snake. The others (WM, copperheads, and rattlesnakes) are pit vipers with a triangular shaped head.
That is not a WM. ^^^This
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: Gumbeaux]
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07/01/13 10:06 PM
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For some reason all those water snakes (venomous or not) are grumpier than Paula Deen watching BET. They are pretty pissy snakes.....had one in the middle of my road a while back & I tried to get him out of the way but he kept trying to bite me so I just let him go. ![angel angel](/forum/images/graemlins/default/angel(1).gif)
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Re: One less water moccasin
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07/02/13 12:07 AM
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They don't play nice with others. ![](http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu214/Pickens5/2011snakehunt011.jpg)
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Re: One less water moccasin
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07/02/13 12:46 AM
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They are on the move this time of year feasting on all these frogs around my place.
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Re: One less water moccasin
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07/02/13 01:14 AM
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That last pic looks like a moccasin to me
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Re: One less water moccasin
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07/02/13 01:42 AM
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Also, cottonmouths, like all pit vipers including rattlesnakes and copperheads (but not coral snakes), have vertical pupils like cat eyes. Look'em in the eye before you shoot'em ![](http://ufwildlife.ifas.ufl.edu/images/pit_viper.jpg)
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Re: One less water moccasin
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07/02/13 02:06 AM
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Also, cottonmouths, like all pit vipers including rattlesnakes and copperheads (but not coral snakes), have vertical pupils like cat eyes. Look'em in the eye before you shoot'em Yeah not gonna happen, if I can tell what their eyes look like they are way to darn close.
"There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre." Louis L'Amour
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: Ox190]
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07/02/13 02:34 AM
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Largest WM I have ever killed or seen. Yes, I looked at his eyes (after he was dead) and pulled out his fangs just to make sure. He was a monster of a WM. if you look close, that a 17HMR hole in the back of his head. Last year kill but kept pics since he was the largest I have seen. ![](http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s632/Dracofarms/82672539b9785eab860ee6dac1dc6e6d_zpsbb8378a9.jpg) ![](http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s632/Dracofarms/c763c6b9b4b39f0957d31bcb8b30aa12_zps9fe4c166.jpg)
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Re: One less water moccasin
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07/02/13 03:53 AM
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HornSlayer
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Came across a post on another hunting forum about a Cottonhead, which is a cross between a cottonmouth and a copperhead. ![](http://www.cottonmouthsnake.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/copperhead-snake-300x201.jpg)
They make ammo specifically for hunting for a reason!
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: Draco_Farms]
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07/02/13 12:04 PM
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skinnerback
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Largest WM I have ever killed or seen. Yes, I looked at his eyes (after he was dead) and pulled out his fangs just to make sure. He was a monster of a WM. if you look close, that a 17HMR hole in the back of his head. Last year kill but kept pics since he was the largest I have seen. ![](http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s632/Dracofarms/82672539b9785eab860ee6dac1dc6e6d_zpsbb8378a9.jpg) That's a huge WM! I've never seen one that big. ![eeks333 eeks333](/forum/images/graemlins/default/confused0059.gif)
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Re: One less water moccasin
[Re: skinnerback]
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07/02/13 01:27 PM
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DocBailey
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Yea that's a monster Draco. Dang!
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Re: One less water moccasin
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07/02/13 01:58 PM
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Fine work on that diamondbackwatercobrarattlermambapython That's what I'm talking about!!
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