I stated bolt actions. I know there have been some bolt action .30-30's but they are very uncommon. What's the BC on a 22 ppc pill? Well I looked at Berger 52 gr and it is .242 G1. The capabilities of it at 100 yards will degrade once the distance is increased. It may shot one hole at 100, but I'd rather have a 7-08 any day. It can do much more for the shooter.

I had s 30-30 savage bolt and a 20ga mossberg bolt growing up.

Seen that little 30-30 do some crazy things

i never seen a 7-08 compete in a 100 yd match either, 22 ppc all the time, tell me again how its not inherently more accurate.

There are some differences when you're dealing with a boutique cartridge.

How do you empirically account for the disparities between the .22-250 and the 7-08 accuracy? You've shot both and I've shot neither.

The 7-08 may not punch paper with the 22 ppc at 100 yards.

The 22 ppc WILL NOT hang with the 7-08 at distance. Accuracy is conditional. Calm wind, paper and 100 yards the 22 ppc will out perform the 7-08. Now let's move out to 500 or 1000 yards competing on steel or killing hogs. The 7-08 can, and does, produce fine accuracy. The 22 ppc can't even play on that field.

You don't see 243, 308 or 22-250 either how is this relative. Your original claim is the 243 & 308 are more accurate yet when presented with evidence contrary to that you move on to 100yrd BR stuff. Is the 6mm PPC or 6mm BR more accurate than the 22 PPC since it rules the 300yrd BR class stuff?

so then one cartridge is indeed more accurate than the other ?

yes the 6mil at that distance is inherently more accurate, and yes the 243 and 308 do compete even out to 1k

all im saying is that some cartridges are more accurate than others, but here im being told theres no difference all things being equal. thats not true some calibers do shoot better than others. some are specifically designed to do just that, some just work out that way.
can any caliber be made to shoot ? of course. but if your gambling on a factory gun some calibers will do it more times than others

Some cartridges do seem and were purposefully designed for accuracy and even more designed to be more accurate at different ranges. The PPC and BR families of cartridges fall into that realm for sure. But is any of the different size bullets shot in them more accurate than others? For instance is a 22PPC or 6mmPPC more accurate or is a 22BR or 6mmBR or 6.5mmBR or the 7mmBR more accurate? I doubt I am an accurate enough shooter to know for sure and do not have the $$$ to test that.

Along the same lines which is more accurate 22-243, 243 Win, 25 Super, 260 Rem, 7mm-08, 308, 338 Federa, or 358 Win the most accurate? All share the same brass just different diameter bullets, is one more accurate than the other I doubt it.

Ok. I'll repeat myself but in a shorter answer. The .22 ppc will be more accurate at 100 yards against a .308 7-08, 260, 243.

A .308, 7-08, 260, 243 will be more accurate at 300 yards and beyond.

You're comparing a benchrest round with a hunting round. The crafting of a 22 PPC round is a bit more tedious and exacting to get those results. Let's not forget the rifle is pretty tweaked to do its part. Take 300 BLK; it's not "inherently inaccurate" just because trajectory is a veritable rainbow. AKs are known to be generally no better than ~1.5 MOA. Milspec ammo, indifferent quality and a less-than-rigid platform are the most obvious reasons.

If you're going to assert one cartridge is "inherently more accurate" than another, there simply has to be a scientific basis.

As does the 7mm-08 and 260 as was stated above, it appears both do very well. You rarely see 308 unless it is regulated for the class (F-class some & tac comps), it will appear with new shooters since it is the easiest to get factory match ammo for. Your initial statement is that one is more accurate than the other (no mention of BR or PPC stuff) all while they share the same case dimensions just bore size being the variable.

My ruger hawkeye shoots Hornady Superformance 139s into tight little clover leaf groups all day long. I've been totally impressed with the rifle....and figured it was one of those "shootin" calibers since this is the only place I've heard folks having problems with theirs.

Scott

Five of five different 7-08s were all bad. Wow. You really need to play the lottery if you're hittin' those odds..

The new all or nothing game!!!!!

yep last one was an 1000.00 weatherby sub moa, needless to say it was bought back by the gun shop at a small loss.
that actually makes 7 in a row.

So you tested 2 more since starting this thread?

He aint holding his mouth right whilst shooting a 7-08

no just remembering them all i said 5 listed 6 remembered the very last one makes 7

I think something is flawed in your testing methods.

Not flaming you, but perhaps it's recoil.

Chuck Hawk's Website

7mm-08 Rem. (140 gr. at 2860 FPS) 8.0 lbs. rifle 12.6 lbs. recoil energy 10.1 lbs. recoil velocity

.22-250 Rem. (55 gr. at 3600 FPS) 8.5 lbs. rifle 4.7 lbs. recoil energy 6.0 lbs. recoil velocity

Maybe you find the recoil more tolerable and this leads to better accuracy. I can't fault anyone for that, especially when consistent good groups are produced. As they say; Beware the man with one gun...

Ive seen enough of them shoot great to know its not the caliber.

I do like it, just hate hearing how it outperforms the 270 and has same or less kick than a 243 etc... Its a good gun but not the answer to world peace.

No but it does fill the gap nicely.

I guess its no better a varmit gun than a 270 no worse an elk gun than a 270 and about the same for white tails and similar size game. Wish I had chads post about just pick which one you want and shoot it handy. Great gun but it don't really make a hill of beans.