yup there you have it. If you pinky swear to uphold the OATH you took I'll sell you anything you want. Right. I feel for the guy, he wants to support the guy at the pointy edge of the spear but there is no gray area here. You either stand up and be counted on our side or their side. Magpul is still on “their” side. This pressure is working, keep it up folks.

I'm glad I saw this. Someone on another forum said Magpul was again taking orders, only Colorado residents were getting special treatment because of the pending state legislation.

I am going to order 5 mags today.

Normalcy Bias is apparently at epidemic levels.

As is paranoia

Yup. The "paranoid" label comes from those neck deep in the routine. I can't understand the whole "I've never thought of that so it can't happen" reasoning. Normally the first ones to criticize as well.

Time will tell. Anyone willing to put $100 on it?

Bottom line for me is this -

I'm happy to be on your side as far as gun rights go, and I think we are all on the same side (whether you do or not). I do think, though, that we have drawn the line in the wrong place as far as Magpul goes.

That's the last I'm going to say about it.

Just different ways of looking at the same issue is all. Everyone has an opinion (like other things), and they all have about the same value. We see things from our own perspective and are able to express them through civil discourse. Thank God we still live in a nation where this is possible.

Bottom line is this -

As citizens of this country we are ALL under assault from the same "philosophy", including those that subscribe to it. Some are aware of this, most aren't. Apathy in our current culture appears to be the norm as evidenced by recent elections. There are no "degrees" of support for our rights and the Constitution guaranteeing us ALL those rights. Each concession we make to those rights no matter how small creates a precedence for later restriction.

Hopefully at this time next year we won't be having this same discussion under more restrictions due to compromise.

VERY well said.

It's not paranoia when they are doing it.

Please clarify what you are wanting to put $100 on.

I tend to think of the police as being on "my side" as well, for the most part. They are sworn to protect the Constitution and to protect and serve the people. However, they don't need to be BETTER protected than any American citizen (as you say) "to address whatever situation they may find themselves in," and I AGREE that "a 30 round mag is much better suited for that than a ten rounder, especially when confronting criminals that do not care about laws in the first place." You see, your FOLLY here is that you ASSUME that only the police, and not the citizenry will be faced with "criminals." If citizens were not faced with criminals on a regular basis, what is the need/purpose of the police? That's a rhetorical question, so let me answer it... their need/purpose is to PROTECT AND SERVE the citizens... who are confronted with violent criminals. So you see, the FIRST line of defense for our LEO's is a well equipped and well trained CITIZENRY.

Put your own two comments together:
1. LEOs are FOR the people; and
2. Well-equipped is the best defense against criminals

And the net result is that both law-abiding citzenry AND LEOs are in this together. Same threat. Same defense. So what is the logic behind saying that only LEOs and NOT citizens need a 'best defense' against such a threat? The only reason for arming police and NOT citizens can be one of two things:

1. They are NOT of like mind & on the same side; OR
2. The life of an LEO is of greater value than that of a citizen.

Or did I miss something?????

We are dealing with a government that is strong-arming the American people into a position of defenselessness. When faced with a bully of this sort, the only resort is to "bully" back. When the firearms industry says "What is good for the goose is good for the gander" and they stand in unisen, that leaves little options for the bullying government. "Tragedy" is not something we need to accept and merely shrug our shoulders. "Tragedy" is something we need to be outraged about and take action against. Magpul has an obligation... to it's customers, to freedom, to the Constitution which enables it to be in business, and to the future of this country, freedom AND it's ability to do business, to make a short term sacrifice for a long-term gain. To do otherwise is simply shortsighted. And shortsightedness is the hallmark of the greedy and foolhearty. There is no integrity in it.

The issue at hand is that by and large, people here choose to NOT do business with a company that shows a lack of integrity.

Let the firearms/ammo manufacturers who are taking a stand know that you stand with them: http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=39528&cpage=81#comment-73206

Can't believe you have the nerve to post a CTD link on here, don't you know they are the devil! LOL

IronspikesLabs - your "FOLLY" here is immense, you see. You have failed to get any further than my exact point, and you have failed to see there are two avenues to take once you get to that point.

I nowhere "assume" that citizens will not be faced with criminals. I fully recognize that point - duh. I fully agree that BOTH citizens and LEO should be well equipped against criminals - duh. I also fully agree that a well equipped citizen is the best line of defense - duh.

Thus - your exact words - LEO and citizens "ARE IN THIS TOGETHER!" Both SHOULD BE EQUIPPED AS BEST AS POSSIBLE!

So, once again - the problem IS NOT that the LEO/mil WILL BE equipped in ban states. The problem IS that citizens will NOT be equipped to address criminals as best as possible. Therefore - the PROBLEM IS THE LAWS RESTRICTING CITIZENS FROM BEING EQUIPPED AS BEST AS POSSIBLE, and not the fact that LEO will be well equipped. Said otherwise - the problem is not that Magpul is not selling to citizens in ban states - no, the problem is that they CANNOT sell to citizens in ban states.

To answer this point speciifcally..

"1. They are NOT of like mind & on the same side; OR
2. The life of an LEO is of greater value than that of a citizen.

Or did I miss something?????"

Yes, you missed something. Neither of your premises actually address the problem. The real problem is simply the legal restrictions in ban states. Magpul has not placed a low value claim on a citizens life - they simply CANNOT sell there. There is nothing they can do about it except advocate for gun rights.

At least that is the way I see it.

So much for not saying anything else on the topic.

Pretty much a moot point now.

http://www.examiner.com/article/magpul-suspends-all-sales-to-law-enforcement-ban-states

Spirited discussion, and I like that.

Not moot at all, they are going to

So they are still going to sell to LEO if they pinky swear to up hold the oath they already took. The 2nd amendment applies to all people, not just cops. This is smoke and mirrors.

Like I said, pretty much.

They made their public statement for their purposes. That's about as far as it's going to go.

You know you guys have two separate arguments and points of interest here..Personally, after seeing a lot of policemen shoot
and having been one..Most I'd not like to see even w/a AR rifle..
give them a shotgun, and two if it comes right down to shooting a
single shot is all it takes if applied correctly..Most who empty weapons usually miss w/the majority of their rounds and no telling what they may hit..One of my nephews is on the SWAT and is a trainer w/SAPD..I recently asked what their policy re: shooting was, he said empty their weapon if needed..Advised we'd been trained to double tap..after worrying about lawsuits..DD

When a policeman confronts an armed individual, most of the time he has had time to prepare for the confrontation, even if its only a minute of two. When a homeowner gets confronted by an armed intruder...it is instantaneous and the homeowner has had no time to prepare. The homeowner didn't have prior notice of an engagement which includes a radio call, a briefing, doesn't have Kevlar vests, backup officers, backup weapons, or a badge. If anyone needs the 30rd mags...it is the homeowner more than the cop.
Especially in light of the fact that it has been ruled that the police have no obligation to engage in a firefight to save your life by putting theirs at risk. Don't kid yourself, all that equipment and firepower the police possess is only for THEIR protection, not yours. They have no obligation to risk their life to save you or your family, its completely up to you. Is the policeman's life more important than the family of 4 whose house is being invaded by an armed intruder? No, it's not.
When you're in your PJ's, those extra 20 rounds are as important to you as a Kevlar vest and backup is to the officer. The policeman will also have his sidearm and extra clips available to him in an instant should he run out of rifle ammo...most homeowners will not.
In addition, by the time the cops get there, 99.9% of the time it's all over with. The policeman's only job at that point is to gather evidence to prepare a case against someone...and unfortunately, if you shoot someone to save your families lives, then that case is going to be built against YOU. Innocent or not, be prepared to be raked over the coals. And after you've gone into bankruptcy defending yourself from the "system", you will still have gotten robbed, but by the govt this time.

Paranoia may some day save my life...

I wonder how many Jews were considered "paranoid" prior to the incidents that led to the Holocaust, or how many Russians were paranoid prior to the Russian Revolution that led to communism and the rise of The Soviet Union, or how many Native Americans were paranoid prior to the expansion of European colonization, or how many Chicago and Detroit citizens were paranoid before the reality of massive gun control hit their cities.

Quite frankly, I think we are ALL paranoid to an extent...and rightly so. The same things that happened to all the people's above are in the beginning stages of happening here. Unless something drastic happens, we will be the first generation of American Socialists. That's definitely not a statistic or category in which I want to be included.

Good point.