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Re: My Landowners views on gun control
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12/21/12 02:24 AM
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I think we should propose tasers for the teachers first, because they are certainly more likely going to be embraced. They could also have an emergency button that alerts police and firefighters and realeases tear gas or sleeping gas, somthing that incapacitates the perp without harming kids. I'm sure we could come up with something that doesn't threaten the kids.
Before you poke holes just realize I am aware there are lots of holes but let's think beyond pushing guns as the solution not because they are not viable realistically, but politically not likely to happen.
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Re: My Landowners views on gun control
[Re: Play Maker]
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12/21/12 03:05 AM
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I am simply not in favor of a blanket policy which would allow all teachers the right to carry on campus. First and foremost is the level of training that would be required for teachers to respond to an incident. I don't believe I have seen an outline describing the type of training that would be required. The training would surely have to extend far beyond that of a CHL course followed by a couple of in-service days.
Safety is another cause of concern. Where will the firearm be kept? How will the firearm be secured when a teacher's intervention is required to break up a simple fist fight? How could a female teacher thwart off a male student that takes her by surprise to obtain her gun?
To effectively try to prevent an incident such as Sandy Hook would require that each and every teacher, secretary, custodian, coach, principal, etc., carry a firearm and receive the necessary training. Simply stated, all faculty members would have to be armed to effectively prevent a shooter from getting into a classroom. That being said, there are exceptions to every circumstance, but I am opposed to a broad, blanket policy which enables each and every member of the faculty the ability to carry on school grounds. I am simply not in agreement that possession of a teaching certificate or employment by a school district should equate to an on-campus cancelled handgun license.
These people are educators, not police officers. Some say that a couple of trained teachers could prevent tragedies from occurring. I don't believe that is entirely accurate. Conversely, I also don't believe that a couple of police officers stationed at every campus would prevent each and every tragedy either. However, I believe that fully trained, uniformed police officers would be a more effective deterrent. Furthermore, the on campus officers could handle the situation more effectively.
Some say we can't afford to station officers at every campus. I disagree. This would be one instance where a rise in taxes would be warranted, justified and seldom opposed. Or, we can stop spending money on $60,000,000 football stadiums, new basketball gyms, diamond vision, charter buses, softball fields for schools that don't even have a softball team, etc, etc. For crying out loud, in our district, every seventh grader and above gets a new computer each and every year and every teacher gets an I-pad. It's not a monetary issue. It's a priority issue. The money is there to put police officers on campus.
Again, there are too many questions/concerns for me to summarily advocate that all teachers should carry a firearm. In my opinion, many are having a knee jerk reaction to an emotional and disturbing tragedy by stating that all teachers should now be allowed to carry guns. The same can be said for those that favor an anti-gun/ban approach in response to the tragedy at Sandy Hook.
I know some of you feel close to this issue because you are a teacher, your spouse/son/daughter is a teacher. I get that. I understand that. My sister-in-law is a teacher. I am a former LEO. I am trying to look at this topic from both points of view. I feel that teachers chose their profession in order to educate others. LEO chose their profession in order to protect and serve. Let the teachers teach. Let the LEO protect and serve. I am in favor of LEO on every campus. That is why I stated and still maintain that campus security is a law enforcement issue. You make some really good arguments and I happen to agree with some to an extent. However, If there had been some (not even all) teachers, principle etc. that that were armed, almost certainly there are not 28 people killed. As tragic as it would still be, I believe 5 vs 28 killed is a huge difference. What I believe is that armed staff may not have prevented the shooting but it most certainly would have prevented the amount of deaths of young children.
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Re: My Landowners views on gun control
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12/21/12 03:36 AM
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There are TONS of highly qualified security people returning from the middle east in the military. These highly trained men and women need good jobs. They are much more proficient with security than even L.E.O......With a developed security program to apply their experience to a school setting, this is a win win win How many of these people will have psychological problems after having been in combat for the last year? You might want to check the suicide rate of returning veterans before setting up this win win win scenario.
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Re: My Landowners views on gun control
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12/21/12 06:31 AM
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i believe that allowing faculty of a school the CHOICE of carrying concealed is way overdue....it's not really any different than anyone else carry a concealed weapon in public places and the protocols and safety measures could be enacted along with other drills that schools do for lockdowns .....this really is not rocket science
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Re: My Landowners views on gun control
[Re: Play Maker]
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12/21/12 04:38 PM
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well, an under-trained teacher with a gun is better than no one but the psycho having a gun? leo didnt make it in time to save anyone...the dude had a bunch more ammo, he chose not to use it all..thk god.. or more would be gone!! you wanna arm every door and window of the schools with leo's...that would cost a fortune vs having selected teachers carry.
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Re: My Landowners views on gun control
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12/21/12 10:11 PM
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i believe that allowing faculty of a school the CHOICE of carrying concealed is way overdue....it's not really any different than anyone else carry a concealed weapon in public places and the protocols and safety measures could be enacted along with other drills that schools do for lockdowns .....this really is not rocket science ^this
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Re: My Landowners views on gun control
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12/22/12 08:01 PM
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If I have a CHL, I should be allowed to carry anywhere. If a teacher wants to carry, he/she should be allowed, as long as they have the proper permit. What I really think is that my 2nd Amendment Right is my CHL. Bad guys break laws by killing innocents so lets make laws to prevent honest citizens from defending themselves or others. Our government(not just ours) does such a bangup job, if they were the private sector, they would be umemployed. Now I'm just rambling. I could go on and on. 
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Re: My Landowners views on gun control
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12/22/12 09:27 PM
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I think just about all of us could go on and on...lol If you stop and think about it, these mass shootings are almost always in places that firearms are NOT permitted. Makes for an easy target for these sick people that commit these horrible acts of violence.
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