texashuntingforum.com logo
Main Menu
Advertisement
Affiliates
Advertisement
Newest Members
wstu1405, edtx12, mikerobbins, SBell, Lampman Hill
72691 Registered Users
Top Posters(All Time)
dogcatcher 110,840
bill oxner 91,416
SnakeWrangler 66,366
stxranchman 60,296
Gravytrain 46,950
Stub 45,498
RKHarm24 44,585
rifleman 44,461
Forum Statistics
Forums46
Topics546,119
Posts9,831,417
Members87,691
Most Online25,604
Feb 12th, 2024
Print Thread
Page 14 of 14 1 2 12 13 14
Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes... [Re: stxranchman] #3837156 12/11/12 05:35 PM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 61,990
BOBO the Clown Offline
kind of a big deal
Offline
kind of a big deal
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 61,990
Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Very few.... a buck that made it to his 4th birthday was a rarity... think of what opening weekend sounded like in the hill country and add every shot after that for the next 60days and combine all those into a week............welcome to north of the red.

We also expanded some of are holding in that time period which resulted in lot more deer making it

Did his age change his genetics? Killing those spikes did work. The bucks you left those years grew up and into better class bucks. They did the breeding. Their offspring are what you are killing now.


Disagree... the frequency of spikes has not change for the most ....the only change that swings it to an increase is lack of yearly winter/spring moisture


Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes... [Re: BOBO the Clown] #3837164 12/11/12 05:37 PM
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 60,296
S
stxranchman Offline
Obie Juan Kenobi
Offline
Obie Juan Kenobi
S
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 60,296
Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Very few.... a buck that made it to his 4th birthday was a rarity... think of what opening weekend sounded like in the hill country and add every shot after that for the next 60days and combine all those into a week............welcome to north of the red.

We also expanded some of are holding in that time period which resulted in lot more deer making it

Did his age change his genetics? Killing those spikes did work. The bucks you left those years grew up and into better class bucks. They did the breeding. Their offspring are what you are killing now.


Disagree... the frequency of spikes has not change for the most ....the only change that swings it to an increase is lack of yearly winter/spring moisture

How can you say you disagree when there were no spikes left to breed for those years?


Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?[Linked Image]
Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes... [Re: stxranchman] #3837253 12/11/12 06:02 PM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 61,990
BOBO the Clown Offline
kind of a big deal
Offline
kind of a big deal
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 61,990
Your assuming we got everyone of them...every year..year in year out..

More likely via your antler confi ranking our best buck also got shot as yearlings...6pt and 8pt yearling where trophies back then


And if best bucks were breeding why did we still have spikes?


Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes... [Re: BOBO the Clown] #3837458 12/11/12 07:01 PM
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,258
A
AmoCuernos Offline
Pro Tracker
Offline
Pro Tracker
A
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,258
At best all the shoot spike proponents are left with nowadays is "it doesn't matter if you shoot them or not". You can have monster deer shooting spikes, and you can have monster deer NOT shooting spikes.

People that DONT shoot spikes kill more big deer than those that do though. There isn't any getting around that... they have more bucks reach maturity.

Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes... [Re: AmoCuernos] #3837483 12/11/12 07:08 PM
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 35,949
txshntr Offline
T-Rex Arms
Offline
T-Rex Arms
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 35,949
Originally Posted By: AmoCuernos


People that DONT shoot spikes kill more big deer than those that do though. There isn't any getting around that... they have more bucks reach maturity.


So you don't cull them at 2.5, 3.5 or 4.5?


[Linked Image][Linked Image][Linked Image]
Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes... [Re: BOBO the Clown] #3837487 12/11/12 07:08 PM
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 44,461
R
rifleman Offline
Sparkly Pants
Offline
Sparkly Pants
R
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 44,461
Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown


And if best bucks were breeding why did we still have spikes?


b/c it's Oklahoma.

Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes... [Re: txshntr] #3837490 12/11/12 07:10 PM
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 44,461
R
rifleman Offline
Sparkly Pants
Offline
Sparkly Pants
R
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 44,461
Originally Posted By: txshntr
Originally Posted By: AmoCuernos


People that DONT shoot spikes kill more big deer than those that do though. There isn't any getting around that... they have more bucks reach maturity.


So you don't cull them at 2.5, 3.5 or 4.5?


maybe the deer that ends up being the exception when you're looking for exceptional deer doesn't get shot at 1.5.

Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes... [Re: rifleman] #3837503 12/11/12 07:17 PM
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 35,949
txshntr Offline
T-Rex Arms
Offline
T-Rex Arms
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 35,949
Originally Posted By: rifleman
Originally Posted By: txshntr
Originally Posted By: AmoCuernos


People that DONT shoot spikes kill more big deer than those that do though. There isn't any getting around that... they have more bucks reach maturity.


So you don't cull them at 2.5, 3.5 or 4.5?


maybe the deer that ends up being the exception when you're looking for exceptional deer doesn't get shot at 1.5.


So he is exceptional at 2 and 3?


[Linked Image][Linked Image][Linked Image]
Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes... [Re: txshntr] #3837521 12/11/12 07:23 PM
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,258
A
AmoCuernos Offline
Pro Tracker
Offline
Pro Tracker
A
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,258
Originally Posted By: txshntr
Originally Posted By: rifleman
Originally Posted By: txshntr
Originally Posted By: AmoCuernos


People that DONT shoot spikes kill more big deer than those that do though. There isn't any getting around that... they have more bucks reach maturity.


So you don't cull them at 2.5, 3.5 or 4.5?


maybe the deer that ends up being the exception when you're looking for exceptional deer doesn't get shot at 1.5.


So he is exceptional at 2 and 3?


he's heading that direction.

Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes... [Re: txshntr] #3837556 12/11/12 07:36 PM
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 44,461
R
rifleman Offline
Sparkly Pants
Offline
Sparkly Pants
R
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 44,461
Originally Posted By: txshntr


So he is exceptional at 2 and 3?


quite possibly. There's a reason a lot of folks don't start being able to ID deer until they hit 2 years old b/c it's hard to tell which one was which unless they have something unique about them that stands out.

Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes... [Re: rifleman] #3837800 12/11/12 09:11 PM
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 5,872
G
GLC Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
G
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 5,872
I wonder if you could put some type of paint or dye that would last for a long time to track a spike rather than catching and tagging. Paintball gun or attached to an arrow?


Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes... [Re: GLC] #3837970 12/11/12 09:58 PM
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,127
B
buck-snort Offline
Pro Tracker
Offline
Pro Tracker
B
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,127
I think we need a deer management certification exam for this Forum. Then I would know who to listen too.



Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes... [Re: Eland Slayer] #3838276 12/11/12 11:41 PM
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 45,498
S
Stub Online Happy
THF Celebrity
Online Happy
THF Celebrity
S
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 45,498
Is it just me or does anyone else think the tag in the big bucks ear looks newer than the one in the spikes?

After about 5 years in the S.TX sun, you think that old big bucks tag would be a little faded instead of that brilliant red confused2




Originally Posted By: Eland Slayer
I thought you guys might like to see this (I'm very interested to hear what stxranchman has to say as well).

For me personally, this is why I do not believe in shooting yearling spikes. This amazing buck was shot by a good friend of mine. The buck was captured and tagged five years ago as a spike at age 1.5....during the spike study conducted by Dr. James Kroll in South Texas.

My friend shot the buck this past week at age 6.5....and he should score in the 180"-190" range. He would most certainly have been shot as a "cull" on many Texas ranches.

Beautiful deer!! Congrats to my friend!!







texas flag










Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes... [Re: Stub] #3838291 12/11/12 11:48 PM
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,738
R
Redneck Messiah Offline
Veteran Tracker
Offline
Veteran Tracker
R
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,738
Originally Posted By: Stub
Is it just me or does anyone else think the tag in the big bucks ear looks newer than the one in the spikes?

After about 5 years in the S.TX sun, you think that old big bucks tag would be a little faded instead of that brilliant red confused2





Originally Posted By: Eland Slayer
I thought you guys might like to see this (I'm very interested to hear what stxranchman has to say as well).

For me personally, this is why I do not believe in shooting yearling spikes. This amazing buck was shot by a good friend of mine. The buck was captured and tagged five years ago as a spike at age 1.5....during the spike study conducted by Dr. James Kroll in South Texas.

My friend shot the buck this past week at age 6.5....and he should score in the 180"-190" range. He would most certainly have been shot as a "cull" on many Texas ranches.

Beautiful deer!! Congrats to my friend!!







Or at least in the deers ears in the first pic??


Originally Posted By: cody
...give it to a homeless guy...he won't mind the stiffness
Page 14 of 14 1 2 12 13 14
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

© 2004-2024 OUTDOOR SITES NETWORK all rights reserved USA and Worldwide
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3