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Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes...
[Re: stxranchman]
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12/11/12 05:35 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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Very few.... a buck that made it to his 4th birthday was a rarity... think of what opening weekend sounded like in the hill country and add every shot after that for the next 60days and combine all those into a week............welcome to north of the red.
We also expanded some of are holding in that time period which resulted in lot more deer making it Did his age change his genetics? Killing those spikes did work. The bucks you left those years grew up and into better class bucks. They did the breeding. Their offspring are what you are killing now. Disagree... the frequency of spikes has not change for the most ....the only change that swings it to an increase is lack of yearly winter/spring moisture
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes...
[Re: BOBO the Clown]
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12/11/12 05:37 PM
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stxranchman
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Very few.... a buck that made it to his 4th birthday was a rarity... think of what opening weekend sounded like in the hill country and add every shot after that for the next 60days and combine all those into a week............welcome to north of the red.
We also expanded some of are holding in that time period which resulted in lot more deer making it Did his age change his genetics? Killing those spikes did work. The bucks you left those years grew up and into better class bucks. They did the breeding. Their offspring are what you are killing now. Disagree... the frequency of spikes has not change for the most ....the only change that swings it to an increase is lack of yearly winter/spring moisture How can you say you disagree when there were no spikes left to breed for those years?
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes...
[Re: stxranchman]
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12/11/12 06:02 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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Your assuming we got everyone of them...every year..year in year out..
More likely via your antler confi ranking our best buck also got shot as yearlings...6pt and 8pt yearling where trophies back then
And if best bucks were breeding why did we still have spikes?
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes...
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12/11/12 07:01 PM
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AmoCuernos
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At best all the shoot spike proponents are left with nowadays is "it doesn't matter if you shoot them or not". You can have monster deer shooting spikes, and you can have monster deer NOT shooting spikes.
People that DONT shoot spikes kill more big deer than those that do though. There isn't any getting around that... they have more bucks reach maturity.
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Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes...
[Re: AmoCuernos]
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12/11/12 07:08 PM
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People that DONT shoot spikes kill more big deer than those that do though. There isn't any getting around that... they have more bucks reach maturity.
So you don't cull them at 2.5, 3.5 or 4.5?
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Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes...
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12/11/12 07:08 PM
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And if best bucks were breeding why did we still have spikes?
b/c it's Oklahoma.
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Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes...
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12/11/12 07:10 PM
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rifleman
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People that DONT shoot spikes kill more big deer than those that do though. There isn't any getting around that... they have more bucks reach maturity.
So you don't cull them at 2.5, 3.5 or 4.5? maybe the deer that ends up being the exception when you're looking for exceptional deer doesn't get shot at 1.5.
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Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes...
[Re: rifleman]
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12/11/12 07:17 PM
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txshntr
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People that DONT shoot spikes kill more big deer than those that do though. There isn't any getting around that... they have more bucks reach maturity.
So you don't cull them at 2.5, 3.5 or 4.5? maybe the deer that ends up being the exception when you're looking for exceptional deer doesn't get shot at 1.5. So he is exceptional at 2 and 3?
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Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes...
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12/11/12 07:23 PM
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People that DONT shoot spikes kill more big deer than those that do though. There isn't any getting around that... they have more bucks reach maturity.
So you don't cull them at 2.5, 3.5 or 4.5? maybe the deer that ends up being the exception when you're looking for exceptional deer doesn't get shot at 1.5. So he is exceptional at 2 and 3? he's heading that direction.
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Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes...
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12/11/12 07:36 PM
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So he is exceptional at 2 and 3? quite possibly. There's a reason a lot of folks don't start being able to ID deer until they hit 2 years old b/c it's hard to tell which one was which unless they have something unique about them that stands out.
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Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes...
[Re: rifleman]
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12/11/12 09:11 PM
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I wonder if you could put some type of paint or dye that would last for a long time to track a spike rather than catching and tagging. Paintball gun or attached to an arrow?
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Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes...
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12/11/12 09:58 PM
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I think we need a deer management certification exam for this Forum. Then I would know who to listen too.
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Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes...
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12/11/12 11:41 PM
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Is it just me or does anyone else think the tag in the big bucks ear looks newer than the one in the spikes? After about 5 years in the S.TX sun, you think that old big bucks tag would be a little faded instead of that brilliant red I thought you guys might like to see this (I'm very interested to hear what stxranchman has to say as well). For me personally, this is why I do not believe in shooting yearling spikes. This amazing buck was shot by a good friend of mine. The buck was captured and tagged five years ago as a spike at age 1.5....during the spike study conducted by Dr. James Kroll in South Texas. My friend shot the buck this past week at age 6.5....and he should score in the 180"-190" range. He would most certainly have been shot as a "cull" on many Texas ranches. Beautiful deer!! Congrats to my friend!!
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Re: Why you shouldn't shoot yearling spikes...
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12/11/12 11:48 PM
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Is it just me or does anyone else think the tag in the big bucks ear looks newer than the one in the spikes? After about 5 years in the S.TX sun, you think that old big bucks tag would be a little faded instead of that brilliant red I thought you guys might like to see this (I'm very interested to hear what stxranchman has to say as well). For me personally, this is why I do not believe in shooting yearling spikes. This amazing buck was shot by a good friend of mine. The buck was captured and tagged five years ago as a spike at age 1.5....during the spike study conducted by Dr. James Kroll in South Texas. My friend shot the buck this past week at age 6.5....and he should score in the 180"-190" range. He would most certainly have been shot as a "cull" on many Texas ranches. Beautiful deer!! Congrats to my friend!! Or at least in the deers ears in the first pic??
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