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 Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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08/02/08 04:35 PM
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200ft Lmao, good one Sabrina
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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My vote goes to the 243. It is a great caliber for deer, even for an adult. I have taken a lot of deer with my Winchester Model 70 243 and never had one get away!!!
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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08/02/08 06:23 PM
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Helomech if your grouping 2" at 200 with the blue monach boxes from academy I'd have to highly praise you. My mini-14 and AR hated them things.
Maybe I'm wrong but I believe the reason people are so fearful of the 7.62x39 for a deer rifle is the availability for non mil surplus/fmj rounds.
Maybe so, I am using the soft points wolf 154 gr. No round will do worth a crap on deer with full metal jackets. I am hoping to find the one's with the I think SST bullet in them. I only shot 2 rounds yesterday and they were right at 2 inches apart. We only have 4 rounds left, so we are not shooting anymore unless some hogs come out.
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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08/02/08 07:58 PM
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Another vote for the 7mm-08.
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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08/02/08 10:31 PM
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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08/02/08 10:40 PM
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The options are, 1, getting something to start the kid out with and go from there, or, 2, get something that is going to kick the crap out of the kid and scare him from wanting a re-ride.
Some kids will accept the recoil with no problem, some won't.
Trying to force a young hunter into something, that is above their abilities, will cause problems all the way around. JMO.
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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08/03/08 12:56 AM
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The options are, 1, getting something to start the kid out with and go from there, or, 2, get something that is going to kick the crap out of the kid and scare him from wanting a re-ride.
Some kids will accept the recoil with no problem, some won't.
Trying to force a young hunter into something, that is above their abilities, will cause problems all the way around. JMO.
Exactly, that is where I am with my oldest boy. That is why my youngest got the 7.62X39 instead of the .243. Now both of them love the 7.62.
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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08/03/08 01:03 AM
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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08/03/08 01:12 AM
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I hope you are kidding about the 300 ultramag, that will only make a kid gunshy. I have taken lots of deer and hogs with a .22-250 (partition bullets) but a 7-08,.243, and .308 with the right load is the way to go. dont scare the kid and make him a flincher. actually any sensible caliber with a Remington Managed Recoil ammo will work till they grow into it.
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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08/03/08 02:02 AM
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Lets get real here. There is a difference between shooting and hunting and the cartridges that apply especially with kids. If a kid can't handle the recoil of a 243 he doesn't need to be hunting deer till he can. Besides felt recoil with a 243 is minimal. It's like an would be elephant hunter not liking the recoil of a 375 H&H. If he can't handle it, maybe he shoudn't be doing it. Also a lot of guys have brought up the reduced recoil ammunition which in my opinion is superb. What the gentlemen wanted was an opinion regarding the BEST cartridge for a first time rifle. It seems that 243, 260, 7mm-08 and 308 are all sensible, the first IMHO being less than optimal. All of this is good advice. The 7.62X39 is not. If a kid wants to learn to shoot then fine. A 22-250 is in the same category. This thread is about a hunting rifle and its cartridge.
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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08/03/08 02:22 AM
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Lets get real here. There is a difference between shooting and hunting and the cartridges that apply especially with kids. If a kid can't handle the recoil of a 243 he doesn't need to be hunting deer till he can. Besides felt recoil with a 243 is minimal. It's like an would be elephant hunter not liking the recoil of a 375 H&H. If he can't handle it, maybe he shoudn't be doing it. Also a lot of guys have brought up the reduced recoil ammunition which in my opinion is superb. What the gentlemen wanted was an opinion regarding the BEST cartridge for a first time rifle. It seems that 243, 260, 7mm-08 and 308 are all sensible, the first IMHO being less than optimal. All of this is good advice. The 7.62X39 is not. If a kid wants to learn to shoot then fine. A 22-250 is in the same category. This thread is about a hunting rifle and its cartridge.
What is your problem with the 7.62X39, it is almost identical to a .30-.30? The 30-30 has killed about as many deer as a 30-06. It is more than adequate for whitetail, and hogs. You just have to know the limitations of each round. And if you don't know the limitations of the round you are shooting, then maybe you should not be hunting. It is a great round, and one kids can shoot with no problems. My kids have killed 2 deer and 1 hog so far and my youngest is 9. He has been hunting since 7.
BTW many elephants have been killed by the old 06. But you are comparing apples to oranges. I really think you just like to stir the pot with all my posts.
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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08/03/08 02:25 AM
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I think his problem is the guy is asking for advise and that round is not a round that is good advise. If you want to use it that is your choice, but there are much better options out there, I think that is what he is trying to say!
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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08/03/08 02:26 AM
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The problem is that it's not optimal for a variety of reason which we have been over. There are better cartridges out there. In a few years the kid will wonder why he has this. I say do it right the first time. The little Russian round can't compete with the 260Remington in any category.
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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08/03/08 02:36 AM
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The problem is that it's not optimal for a variety of reason which we have been over. There are better cartridges out there. In a few years the kid will wonder why he has this. I say do it right the first time. The little Russian round can't compete with the 260Remington in any category.
+1 on that!
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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08/03/08 02:57 AM
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I have plenty guns I have outgrown, and I will never get rid of them. For a first time gun it is great. I never said it was the end all cartridge. I don't use it for hunting. But for a kid especially a small one it is a great option. Young kids probably should not be shooting 300 yards anyway. I tell you what I will use it to kill my next hog at 200 yards. Care to take any bets whether or not I drop him? I will make sure it is over 100 lbs also.
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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08/03/08 02:58 AM
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The little Russian round can't compete with the 260Remington in any category.
In recoil it can.
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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08/03/08 03:01 AM
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243 for the money and price of rounds is by far the best IMHO. My mother has been knocking down 1-3 deer/hogs a season sinse I can remember ,and I'm 40 now. Never had one get away and still doing it today- I'd say that qualifies by anybodies standards
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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08/03/08 03:01 AM
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I have plenty guns I have outgrown, and I will never get rid of them. For a first time gun it is great. I never said it was the end all cartridge. I don't use it for hunting. But for a kid especially a small one it is a great option. Young kids probably should not be shooting 300 yards anyway. I tell you what I will use it to kill my next hog at 200 yards. Care to take any bets whether or not I drop him? I will make sure it is over 100 lbs also.
Just curious what does that have to do with a kid shooting it?
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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I have plenty guns I have outgrown, and I will never get rid of them. For a first time gun it is great. I never said it was the end all cartridge. I don't use it for hunting. But for a kid especially a small one it is a great option. Young kids probably should not be shooting 300 yards anyway. I tell you what I will use it to kill my next hog at 200 yards. Care to take any bets whether or not I drop him? I will make sure it is over 100 lbs also.
Just curious what does that have to do with a kid shooting it?
He said the round is pretty much useless for anything other than target shooting.
It has to do with the capability of the round. And since it recoils less my kids enjoy shooting it, and shoot it pretty well. I am willing to bet him or anyone else it will drop a hog over 100 lbs at 200 yards. That tells me it is more than capable of killing a whitetail. Or any other Texas animal shy of a mule deer. When my kid is consistently hitting the kill zone at 200 yards I will let him shoot the hog from the house. He is wanting to do it bad, but I will not let him try until I am sure he can consistently hit the kill zone. Here is a pic of him with his first deer, that was killed with his 7.62X39.
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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Great pic and congrats but I agree with him as it not being the best caliber to recommend
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. From what I have seen it has done a great job on everything my kids have shot with it. Even when the shot was not very good. That deer in the pic, was hit way low, but the bullet did enough damage I was able to track it with no problem.
BTW thanks.
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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We'll have to disagree helo. Look at the original post. His boy is 12, not 7. Telling him to get a 7.62X39 is not doing the gentlemen or his son a service. IMHO the biggest debate here is a 243 or another one of the cartridges based on the 308 case.
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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Let me begin my response by saying it's good to see someone buying a "first deer rifle" for a youngster that's old enough to handle and appreciate it. You often read and hear about the six-year-old taking his/her first deer with a 30-06. Little wonder that so many of these will grow up and equate their hunting skills to the amount of lead they can blast out the end of the barrel.
I also strongly recommend Remington Reduce Recoil ammo. My suggestion would be a Remington Model Seven in the .270 caliber. My Remington ADL actually kicks less than my little .243 when using the Reduced Recoil ammo. Remington touts the stuff to be effective at distances up to the 200 yards.
Based on his size, you might also consider purchasing a youth size stock and keep the full size stock until he's ready for it.
Good luck.
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Re: help on caliber for sons 1st deer rifle
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243, 6mm or 257 Roberts..
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