hold on now....what kinda piss we talking? Unicorn Piss? I hear it has medicinal values....

yes we save Unicorn piss but only if its been feed exclusively ....... Indian Corn!!!!!!

if it has been fed buck crack would it fail a uninalysis?

yes I believe we have now left the deer stands and are swimming in feedlot's sweet byproduct

take care fellow hunter, looking forward to the radio show on Sat. morning

Shoot every spike you see. Your deer herd will thank you.

I wouldnt have barely any bucks left

Show us how your deer herd is looking there buddy. Throw up some pics

Pics of what?

The deer herd you manage by shooting spikes

This is where it gets funny.....

Amos can come on here and trump us all...he doesn't shoot spikes...but doesn't matter people have their beliefs... hopefully they at least have the ability to make an informed decision on whats best for their herd based off cc, herd size, ratio and age class...and that meets their abilities and goals

Amos you guys dr deer or what? Lol

I spent a big part of my lifetime managing some of the nicest private ranches in Texas with pretty much unlimited budgets. We did just fine shooting spikes. Hardly ever saw any in a good managed herd.

Im waiting to see all those great bucks that werent spikes as a 1.5 yr old from the LF deer herd he is managing.

What about the guys who dont have unlimited budgets to whack deer, provide water and food sources. Should they be whacking every spike they see in a drought year?

Why not? More to eat for the rest of the deer?

Most low fence properties in Texas are overpopulated anyway.

Dude, let's see some pics then of the results

Most places that are overpopulated arent so because they have too many bucks. What you got next?

What works for one is not always what is best for all. Amos is dealing with a different environment and genetics than many of the others. STX has a different plan, but implements extreme measures and has great success.

There are managers and ranches that have made leaps and bounds with the populations and practices that they are implementing. Some with killing spikes and some without. As I have said before, killing spikes is not what caused the success or failure of ranches in reaching their goals...it is all the aspects combined.

This study is faulty at best and much of the information provided leaves a lot of questions. In the manner it was published, it makes it seem very biased and points to what it was set out to prove instead of letting the data speak for itself.

Ask STX, he has pics of the results of a management plan that included killing spikes. Does that mean that all his efforts were futile and he killed off his best bucks because he shot some that were 1.5 yo?

Couldnt of said it better. The only thing that I would add, is that the spike debate is so far down on the list of what most should be considering it is crazy how much time gets devoted to it.
What works for one is not always what is best for all. Amos is dealing with a different environment and genetics than many of the others. STX has a different plan, but implements extreme measures and has great success.

What if you're way below CC bc of poor deer densities in the area and bucks have plenty to eat & still don't advance much past an avg 130" deer. In a part of the state where 150 would be considered dang good would the problem be quality or quantity? Would you pump volume through to try to get some exceptions to the norm?

Ask him if he killed his best bucks off? He doesn't know

Was the example used in this thread the best buck that came out of all the deer involved in the study? Was it the best deer taken off the ranch it was tagged on?

Lol....stay focused....not dispersal and home range and the fence

Lol. I said nothing of the sorts!!!!

66% of the bucks with 3 points or less didn't make it to maturity. The buck posted is being used as if it is the "norm" of the study. All the ranches involved in the study are HF except one and are managed. What is the "norm" for these ranches and where does that buck fall in comparison with the typical mature deer taken on the ranch that it was released on?

In the hunting world, size is relative. There are ranches were this is a good deer but no where near the best deer.

Or so you want us to believe.