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Re: For all those opposed to HF Hunting consider this [Re: Nogalus Prairie] #3794036 11/28/12 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
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Self centeredness. Try investing $100k's or millions into a ranch (not everyone has one passed down or family land) solely for your family to have a great place to hunt. You work your [censored] off to be able to afford the land, the feeders, blinds, wells, house/cabin, improve genetics, and at the end of the day hope for the best and hope they will stick around because u made it conducive. RIGHT that's stupid. Or have a shitty neighbor and the only way to prevent any deer with a set of antlers from getting getting blasted is throw up a fence? Ya think that one over


The deer do not belong to you. Think that one over.
HF deer are trapped. Think that one over.
HF hunting is NOT fair chase. It is not the same. In your heart you know that or you wouldn't come on here bringing the subject up so you can try to justify your actions.
Think that one over.

There's three. Don't want to overload ya.....

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Even if every native deer was shot/pushed out and restocked with a documented herd yall would still agrue against the fence...

Somebody would say its not fair...why I have no idea since 99% of hunters dont have the a ability to hunt properties next to those hf places that the deer would roam to any way.

I just find it funny yall are so worried about deer that you would never be able to hunt any way..

Then you got places like Amos place that was fenced in by a 20k acre neighbor... yall want to talk smack about his native deer herd even though 99.999% of us woukd never be able to huntahunt any of those deer just due to the fact the closet you could get to his place assuming you could find a lease is over 6miles away


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heres the way i see it. you have manipulated natures laws when high fencing deer. the number one predator of deer is humans, when you eliminate that predator from a high fence deer your chances of shooting mature deer escalates ten fold. a natural free roaming deer has to elude the man predator on his own so when you do get a a nice mature free roaming deer its quite an accomplishment as uposed to a manipulated high fence deer.

the other thing is high fences curtail the movement of all deer, those inside and those outside, its like damning a creek.


So large land owners you view them the same as a hf place


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you may forgot that some of us are tucked up against thousands of acres of public land and would have more of a complaint against the neighbors to justify putting up a fence since there's no numbers regulation; yet roll the dice & don't......whistle grin popcorn

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I'm not advocating high fence or low fence, I get the argument for both and have done both. I can hunt deer in Florida to eat, but I want to hunt deer that make me say WOW like a hundred times when you see them. If you have never seen a 240" non typical or double main beam step out of the dense cover in the still of the morning it's hard to understand. Especially when you grew up thinking the best you would ever see was a typical 8 under 120 inches.

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Originally Posted By: curt o
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heres the way i see it. you have manipulated natures laws when high fencing deer. the number one predator of deer is humans, when you eliminate that predator from a high fence deer your chances of shooting mature deer escalates ten fold. a natural free roaming deer has to elude the man predator on his own so when you do get a a nice mature free roaming deer its quite an accomplishment as uposed to a manipulated high fence deer.

the other thing is high fences curtail the movement of all deer, those inside and those outside, its like damning a creek.


never hunted HF eh?
Your view holds no water, neither does your can't dam a creek statement.


yes ive hunted high fences many times. deer in a fence are protected from other hunters plain and simple, a true trophy does not come from pampered animals inside a fence. a true trophy has eluded all hunters in his area, deer in a fence are cattle nothing more nothing less, i just face the facts and tell it like it is. the satisfaction level for me is higher on free ranging deer than high fence deer. but whatever floats your boat its a free country.

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heres the way i see it. you have manipulated natures laws when high fencing deer. the number one predator of deer is humans, when you eliminate that predator from a high fence deer your chances of shooting mature deer escalates ten fold. a natural free roaming deer has to elude the man predator on his own so when you do get a a nice mature free roaming deer its quite an accomplishment as uposed to a manipulated high fence deer.

the other thing is high fences curtail the movement of all deer, those inside and those outside, its like damning a creek.


never hunted HF eh?
Your view holds no water, neither does your can't dam a creek statement.


yes ive hunted high fences many times. deer in a fence are protected from other hunters plain and simple, a true trophy does not come from pampered animals inside a fence. a true trophy has eluded all hunters in his area, deer in a fence are cattle nothing more nothing less, i just face the facts and tell it like it is. the satisfaction level for me is higher on free ranging deer than high fence deer. but whatever floats your boat its a free country.


Again you just put all large lf ranches in the same category as hf


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Re: For all those opposed to HF Hunting consider this [Re: RussG] #3794120 11/28/12 02:11 AM
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I'm not advocating high fence or low fence, I get the argument for both and have done both. I can hunt deer in Florida to eat, but I want to hunt deer that make me say WOW like a hundred times when you see them. If you have never seen a 240" non typical or double main beam step out of the dense cover in the still of the morning it's hard to understand. Especially when you grew up thinking the best you would ever see was a typical 8 under 120 inches.


Your perception of hf only equals about 5% of hf in Texas


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I'm not advocating high fence or low fence, I get the argument for both and have done both. I can hunt deer in Florida to eat, but I want to hunt deer that make me say WOW like a hundred times when you see them. If you have never seen a 240" non typical or double main beam step out of the dense cover in the still of the morning it's hard to understand. Especially when you grew up thinking the best you would ever see was a typical 8 under 120 inches.


Your perception of hf only equals about 5% of hf in Texas


Would you be willing to say that about 4.9% of that 5% are importing or releasing out of their pens?

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BOBO in trying to make a point you have made mine. Hunting deer I may "never be able to hunt anyway" is why it's called hunting, not shooting fish in a barrel. The fact that there are no guarantees the deer is there or not is kinda the heart of real hunting....

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I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


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Clueless.


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Originally Posted By: RussG
I'm not advocating high fence or low fence, I get the argument for both and have done both. I can hunt deer in Florida to eat, but I want to hunt deer that make me say WOW like a hundred times when you see them. If you have never seen a 240" non typical or double main beam step out of the dense cover in the still of the morning it's hard to understand. Especially when you grew up thinking the best you would ever see was a typical 8 under 120 inches.


Its artificial.To me it would be like watching one in the zoo on a HF place. Heck, the zoo is better because there are lions and tigers there too. smile


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I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


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Nogalus prairie do u not hunt whitetail out of a blind? U stalk all game? Cuz not every HF is a canned hunt or shooting fish in the barrel.


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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
BOBO in trying to make a point you have made mine. Hunting deer I may "never be able to hunt anyway" is why it's called hunting, not shooting fish in a barrel. The fact that there are no guarantees the deer is there or not is kinda the heart of real hunting....


Ya but you and I look at hunting whitetail differently.... its not hard to kill a deer... not hard to kill a buck, not hard to kill a good buck.

Ya think whitetails have such a huge range when in fact most dont venture past two -three sections their entire life with the exception of their early dispersal years.

Again they dont migrate


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high fences hurt the guys with little pastures too, it will completely stop deer movement through his pasture and render his land useless and worthless



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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
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I'm not advocating high fence or low fence, I get the argument for both and have done both. I can hunt deer in Florida to eat, but I want to hunt deer that make me say WOW like a hundred times when you see them. If you have never seen a 240" non typical or double main beam step out of the dense cover in the still of the morning it's hard to understand. Especially when you grew up thinking the best you would ever see was a typical 8 under 120 inches.


Its artificial.To me it would be like watching one in the zoo on a HF place. Heck, the zoo is better because there are lions and tigers there too. smile


While I agree its artificial in this instance its for a different reason...not a fan of released breeder deer....

But to texas and the entire us with the exception of the King we aren't exactly all not doing the same since we aren't hunting none introduced whitetails


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Our deer migrate to acornsgrin

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high fences hurt the guys with little pastures too, it will completely stop deer movement through his pasture and render his land useless and worthless


Only if its on four sides...and if it did he just upped your property values


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Nogalus prairie do u not hunt whitetail out of a blind? U stalk all game? Cuz not every HF is a canned hunt or shooting fish in the barrel.


To me, a deer that can't get out of an enclosure is canned. To B&C and P&Y too.


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Speaking of migration..... I've hunted Caribou in the NWT. Talk about no fences! It was the easiest hunt I've ever been on. Killed 2 monster bulls! Take your pick and start skinning. It was literally like "shooting fish I'm a barrel". Guess I wasn't hunting and they weren't trophies. Just say'n


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HF hunting is for people that aren't patient enough to sit and not see anything. More like shooters not hunters. I have grown up knowing your not always going to shoot or see something. Thats what makes hunting, hunting. In fact, I sat all last weekend and didnt see a deer. But I rather not see anything for a couple hunts than pen them up and know i'll see something, that sucks.

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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
BOBO in trying to make a point you have made mine. Hunting deer I may "never be able to hunt anyway" is why it's called hunting, not shooting fish in a barrel. The fact that there are no guarantees the deer is there or not is kinda the heart of real hunting....


Ya but you and I look at hunting whitetail differently.... its not hard to kill a deer... not hard to kill a buck, not hard to kill a good buck.

Ya think whitetails have such a huge range when in fact most dont venture past two -three sections their entire life with the exception of their early dispersal years.

Again they dont migrate



The deer Michale Waddel just shot not long ago had the tracking collar on it, he travled 9 miles in the last 2 days so thats not all true but I agree that deer stay in a decent sized radius for there life span. BTT HF ROCKS LOL


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Our deer migrate to acornsgrin


Mine two...we just happen to have replaced elm trees with white oaks...and continue to thin the elms out


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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
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Nogalus prairie do u not hunt whitetail out of a blind? U stalk all game? Cuz not every HF is a canned hunt or shooting fish in the barrel.


To me, a deer that can't get out of an enclosure is canned. To B&C and P&Y too.




HF sucks. That my opinion and it won't change.


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