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Re: For all those opposed to HF Hunting consider this [Re: dogcatcher] #3793058 11/27/12 10:32 PM
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nidea OK - How 'bout this?

Before one puts up a high fence, they will have to ensure that all "state/public owned" deer are removed from the property and start restocking from scratch. That way all those opposed, who also pay for hunting licenses to support TPWD, have a chance to kill a nice "state/publicly owned" buck.

An alternative to removing all deer might be that each HF operator would be required to release a certain number of quality (not necessarily trophy) bucks so that "state/publicly owned" deer are reasonably accessible to all license holders. In this case the HF operator doesn't start from scratch and still has control over genetics on his own property.
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When the state pays the landowner for the food the wildlife eats, then the state could ask for their return. Until then the state cannot enforce their claim. In court the landowner could easily prove their right to "hold" them until the state pays the food and water bill.


I'm not an attorney but I would surmise that if the landowner put them on "hold" then he would be responsible should anything happen to them before a hearing. However he does have a cure through TPWD. I would also imagine that if a landowner has not tried this rememdy first his case would not likely hold up.

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Re: For all those opposed to HF Hunting consider this [Re: Nightbird] #3793080 11/27/12 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: Nightbird
Come on guys let keep it going we are only on page 2 still


Page 3 now and I'm trying, I'm tryin - but I don't usually get on these topics!

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Re: For all those opposed to HF Hunting consider this [Re: grasshopperglock] #3793088 11/27/12 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: grasshopperglock
Whats funny is that I haven't paid for a deer hunt in my life. Ive hunted 10K acres before. Iam hunting in Milano this year. last year was bell county.


personally, I find sitting in a blind waiting for a sex crazed, half breed goat...to be rather boring. 2-3 hours sitting in the cold just to take one shot.

For those spending thousands of thousands of dollars on fence. Good luck with that. Wouldn't be just as good to have a well maintained food plot. Something that makes the deer stick around vs making them stick around with miles of fence you have to maintain?

And to really stir the pot. A good hunter doesn't need a HF to insure a trophy kill. IMHO...thats cheating. Just a bigger barrel for the fish.



Cuz killing a deer in texas is sooooooo hard.


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Grasshopper have you hunted in brooks county or surrounding counties? Because the only way you will see a deer in a good portion of the county is to take a dozer cut a sendero it's that thick. U wouldn't be able to trek through some wimpy scrub brush or cedar motts like in bell county. Central tx is a whole different animal of hunting. And hunting over a food plot on a low fence or a feeder is the same dynamic as doing it in a high fence only difference as txhntr stated is allowing the flow of traffic. And please define what a good hunter is? Do you actually track a deer for miles on the 10k acres and shoot em at 600 yds as well?


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Re: For all those opposed to HF Hunting consider this [Re: Hunt n Fish] #3793113 11/27/12 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted By: Hunt n Fish
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nidea OK - How 'bout this?

Before one puts up a high fence, they will have to ensure that all "state/public owned" deer are removed from the property and start restocking from scratch. That way all those opposed, who also pay for hunting licenses to support TPWD, have a chance to kill a nice "state/publicly owned" buck.

An alternative to removing all deer might be that each HF operator would be required to release a certain number of quality (not necessarily trophy) bucks so that "state/publicly owned" deer are reasonably accessible to all license holders. In this case the HF operator doesn't start from scratch and still has control over genetics on his own property.
peep


When the state pays the landowner for the food the wildlife eats, then the state could ask for their return. Until then the state cannot enforce their claim. In court the landowner could easily prove their right to "hold" them until the state pays the food and water bill.


I'm not an attorney but I would surmise that if the landowner put them on "hold" then he would be responsible should anything happen to them before a hearing. However he does have a cure through TPWD. I would also imagine that if a landowner has not tried this rememdy first his case would not likely hold up.

Depredation Permits
•Depredation Permit Application
•Texas Parks and Wildlife Code – Chapter 43, Subchapter H, Sections 43.151 – 43.158
•Texas Administrative Code – Depredation Permits – Sections 65.220 – 65.233



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Re: For all those opposed to HF Hunting consider this [Re: Mike Honcho] #3793117 11/27/12 10:44 PM
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Seems to me when HF first started it was largely to keep excess deer OUT of the property so heard management could be truely managed. When a land owner was a good steward and made his property attractive it would over populate, thus the high fence came into play.

And for those "fish in a barrel" believers; I used to have access to 900 acres under HF, done exactly for the reasons above, native deer only, no canned hunts, and very wild deer, my friend lived on the property and managed it, I killed an 8 year old buck and a 6 year old buck in the thick brush by getting in there after them, scouting, tracking and stalking. My bud that lived there over 20 years had NEVER seen either of the deer I killed until I brought them in dead, ONLY 900 acres mind you.
And yes, he was in the field EVERY day, it ain't easy keeping a ranch from falling apart.

NOW, that said, i personally DO NOT like 'canned" hunts under HF, where trophy deer are stocked, killed off, restocked, rinse and repeat.

So, even I who am OK with HF, am not in all cases.

Ready the darts as I just put on my target!


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Re: For all those opposed to HF Hunting consider this [Re: BOBO the Clown] #3793118 11/27/12 10:45 PM
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Lol. Accurately put txhntr even though we have different opinions I agree that ppl want to keep the best deer possible on their land. Guy shoots a 150 this year at some point the itch for a 160 is gonna kick in amd so on. And yes that is true the deer are property of the people of texas but the state doesn't take that stance.


We think closer to the same way than you think. I am just bored and this topic always make for a good discussion grin


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Re: For all those opposed to HF Hunting consider this [Re: curt o] #3793132 11/27/12 10:46 PM
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Seems to me when HF first started it was largely to keep excess deer OUT of the property so heard management could be truely managed. When a land owner was a good steward and made his property attractive it would over populate, thus the high fence came into play.

And for those "fish in a barrel" believers; I used to have access to 900 acres under HF, done exactly for the reasons above, native deer only, no canned hunts, and very wild deer, my friend lived on the property and managed it, I killed an 8 year old buck and a 6 year old buck in the thick brush by getting in there after them, scouting, tracking and stalking. My bud that lived there over 20 years had NEVER seen either of the deer I killed until I brought them in dead, ONLY 900 acres mind you.
And yes, he was in the field EVERY day, it ain't easy keeping a ranch from falling apart.

NOW, that said, i personally DO NOT like 'canned" hunts under HF, where trophy deer are stocked, killed off, restocked, rinse and repeat.

So, even I who am OK with HF, am not in all cases.

Ready the darts as I just put on my target!


Is this the normal type of HF or the exception...


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Better quit that, can't be good for whats left of your mind


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If Obama was a deer hunter, he would hunt HF. stir

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Like my buddies ranch in brooks county is like that. This year we've seen 4-5 yr olds that we've never seen before. They don't have tags they are native and he spent 2 seasons sterilizing it. Depending on the topography and thickness of brush that can be normal.

Amen txhntr this topic makes for good discussion


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I am afraid that today it is the exception, matters not as not all HF are the same, I do not see how you can lump every HF experiance together. There are the $ grubbers out there, it makes me ill, but the Old time ways/reasons for HF were to control a herd for the best heath of both land and wildlife. This I agree with personally.

I have stupidly booked two HF hunts recently thinking all were like the one I hunted for so many years, RUDE awakening and I was VERY, VERY disappointed in the hunts...because they were NOT hunts. But this does not make me a HF hater becuase I had many years of incredible education on deer behavior, learning to age deer, etc. because of the 900 HF place I was blessed with having access to. and again, those deer were WILD and wary.


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Better quit that, can't be good for whats left of your mind


He's like the kid hitting himself in the head with a hammer, cause it felt so good when he stopped!

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Re: For all those opposed to HF Hunting consider this [Re: skinnerback] #3793188 11/27/12 10:56 PM
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If Obama was a deer hunter, he would hunt HF. stir


Actually, he would be in favor of the LF hunter. Let the neighbor do all the work and let everyone else benefit from the fruits of his labor.


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If Obama was a deer hunter, he would hunt HF. stir


Actually, he would be in favor of the LF hunter. Let the neighbor do all the work and let everyone else benefit from the fruits of his labor.


chuckle...then vomit..............


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If Obama was a deer hunter, he would hunt HF. stir


Actually, he would be in favor of the LF hunter. Let the neighbor do all the work and let everyone else benefit from the fruits of his labor.


Point

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Really skinner??? C'mon man don't even give that dude the label hunter because you "earn" the label or so how I was raised. FYI no I didn't have to stay out in 0 degree rain and track a deer across 10k acres and get him with a recurve but being a hunter in our family has very little to do with hunting it's about everything leading up to the bang. The sweat, blood, and time.


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Really skinner??? C'mon man don't even give that dude the label hunter because you "earn" the label or so how I was raised. FYI no I didn't have to stay out in 0 degree rain and track a deer across 10k acres and get him with a recurve but being a hunter in our family has very little to do with hunting it's about everything leading up to the bang. The sweat, blood, and time.


Which is easier and which takes more effort and time? LF or HF?


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Really skinner??? C'mon man don't even give that dude the label hunter because you "earn" the label or so how I was raised. FYI no I didn't have to stay out in 0 degree rain and track a deer across 10k acres and get him with a recurve but being a hunter in our family has very little to do with hunting it's about everything leading up to the bang. The sweat, blood, and time.


I was only funnin'......

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If Obama was a deer hunter, he would hunt HF. stir


Actually, he would be in favor of the LF hunter. Let the neighbor do all the work and let everyone else benefit from the fruits of his labor.


This is my life....I OWN LF land, I put out 150# of protein a week Feb-Oct and nearly the same in corn....my place is small and I never have kiled a deer there...they roam, I accept that..but I will not kill a young deer there, period, when and old boy screws up he;ll be mine, until then I feed the crap out of them, enjoy the awesome game cam pictures and feel good knowing I do my part to help them be healty.


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Really skinner??? C'mon man don't even give that dude the label hunter because you "earn" the label or so how I was raised. FYI no I didn't have to stay out in 0 degree rain and track a deer across 10k acres and get him with a recurve but being a hunter in our family has very little to do with hunting it's about everything leading up to the bang. The sweat, blood, and time.


Which is easier and which takes more effort and time? LF or HF?


Same...dif is the cost of the fence.


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If Obama was a deer hunter, he would hunt HF. stir


Actually, he would be in favor of the LF hunter. Let the neighbor do all the work and let everyone else benefit from the fruits of his labor.


This is my life....I OWN LF land, I put out 150# of protein a week Feb-Oct and nearly the same in corn....my place is small and I never have kiled a deer there...they roam, I accept that..but I will not kill a young deer there, period, when and old boy screws up he;ll be mine, until then I feed the crap out of them, enjoy the awesome game cam pictures and feel good knowing I do my part to help them be healty.


The reward will be great when you finally get a good old buck up


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Really skinner??? C'mon man don't even give that dude the label hunter because you "earn" the label or so how I was raised. FYI no I didn't have to stay out in 0 degree rain and track a deer across 10k acres and get him with a recurve but being a hunter in our family has very little to do with hunting it's about everything leading up to the bang. The sweat, blood, and time.


Which is easier and which takes more effort and time? LF or HF?


Same...dif is the cost of the fence.


Disagree. Not the same


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