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Re: Game Warden run in....
[Re: ducksmasher]
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11/06/12 02:32 AM
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field possession limit, possession, custody, daily bag limit. you know what it means. it means NO PILES. Wrong. It doesn't mean no piles. It means one person can not carry out all the birds at one time. Having them on a boat on one strap or a tailgate in a pile doesn't apply. All hunters are in the boat and still in possesion of their own birds. The same goes if they are piled up on a tailgate.
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Re: Game Warden run in....
[Re: ishootspoonies]
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11/06/12 02:33 AM
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field possession limit, possession, custody, daily bag limit. you know what it means. it means NO PILES. youve made like 15 comments on here, and never contributed anything relevant. please remove yourself from this discussion until you can produce a law stating you CAN NOT pile birds or put them on a single strap. Find something that says everyones birds must be separated at all times. OR... show some case law where someone was cited for it and it stuck. they post those game warden notes all the time. i dont recall anyone on there for having birds in a pile. thats all i am asking for. im not asking for your interpretation of the laws. Amen!
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Re: Game Warden run in....
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11/06/12 02:38 AM
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WAL, maybe if you answer this question you will understand what I am saying....... Why do some cops give a ticket for 3 mph over the limit while another cop will not give you a ticket until you are 11 mph over the limit? Is there a law in the books that states specifically that one cop will allow you 10 mph over while another has almost zero tolerance?  There is no relevance in this comparison. The law with speeding is quite clear. If you are traveling 1 mph over the posted speed limit you are breaking law. You can complain or argue all you want about whether an officer should give you a ticket for going 1 mph over the speed limit, but you can't argue whether or not they can or can not give you a ticket for going 1 mph over. There is no grey area here. As far as splitting up birds, I have yet to read one regulation that explicitly states you must keep your birds separate. I've been to the Federal website and State websites. One would think that in order to enforce a law there should be a reasonable effort to make the law well known to hunters. The only people I see reading too far into this are those trying to interpret laws that say nothing about grouping ducks into a law that states they must be separate. Does not matter to me what you choose to do. Pile them all up. Please post up photos of your ticket when you run across the GW who will write you a ticket for that. And then post up the transcript from your court appearance. And also post up a copy of your check for the fine you pay. You can blur out the routing numbers though.  Again, your choice to pile or not pile. I have no preference for the way you handle your ducks.
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Re: Game Warden run in....
[Re: GreyDuck]
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11/06/12 02:43 AM
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WAL, maybe if you answer this question you will understand what I am saying....... Why do some cops give a ticket for 3 mph over the limit while another cop will not give you a ticket until you are 11 mph over the limit? Is there a law in the books that states specifically that one cop will allow you 10 mph over while another has almost zero tolerance?  There is no relevance in this comparison. The law with speeding is quite clear. If you are traveling 1 mph over the posted speed limit you are breaking law. You can complain or argue all you want about whether an officer should give you a ticket for going 1 mph over the speed limit, but you can't argue whether or not they can or can not give you a ticket for going 1 mph over. There is no grey area here. As far as splitting up birds, I have yet to read one regulation that explicitly states you must keep your birds separate. I've been to the Federal website and State websites. One would think that in order to enforce a law there should be a reasonable effort to make the law well known to hunters. The only people I see reading too far into this are those trying to interpret laws that say nothing about grouping ducks into a law that states they must be separate. Does not matter to me what you choose to do. Pile them all up. Please post up photos of your ticket when you run across the GW who will write you a ticket for that. And then post up the transcript from your court appearance. And also post up a copy of your check for the fine you pay. You can blur out the routing numbers though.  Again, your choice to pile or not pile. I have no preference for the way you handle your ducks. If this happens, i will be sure to post it up, so everyone knows. I would be providing the forum with factual information, not speculation. again, im not arguing the point because im trying to convince you im right, im arguing the point because nothing anyone has found says im wrong. If something was found stating im wrong, then im wrong and ill admit it.
I like spoonie, his humor is dryer than my duck lease.
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Re: Game Warden run in....
[Re: duckiller]
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11/06/12 02:51 AM
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LAWBREAKERS deserve the tickets. If your birds aren't separate, then someone shot over their limit - FACT. You cannot disprove and that's why you will get nailed. Do you keep your crappie in seperate coolers when fishing? When getting checked fishing I have never been asked which ones I caught and which ones the others caught. They count to make sure we aren't over our group limit...then move on. I personally think it's pretty stupid that wardens will be picky about that with ducks and the same warden has different standards with fish. It is a good idea to keep you birds seperate to avoid issues with the game warden. They will seperate you and ask each person what birds they shot. Stories better line up or you could be in trouble. Much easier to keep birds seperate and avoid any confusion. I watched a guy get a ticket a few years ago because they had a pile of ducks with the full group limit of pintails. The GW seperated the hunters and individually asked them what birds they shot. The young kid in the group claimed he didn't shoot a pintail. Dad got a ticket for shooting over his pintail limit. Party shot ducks get confusing. If birds are seperated then it is very clear everybody is on the same page as to what birds they are laying claim to. Ducks are migratory birds. Crappie are not. Migratory bird hunting is held to a different standard since Federal rules apply. Which is why you can hunt Texas quail without a plug but must hunt Federal doves and Federal ducks with a plug in your shotgun.
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Re: Game Warden run in....
[Re: ishootspoonies]
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11/06/12 02:53 AM
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Can I pile them up of I book a hunt with you? [/quote] Nope. I keep them separate till we get to the picking shed. After BOBO told me the story of his friend and the one hell of a fine he got for commingling ducks I even marked 6 off on each peg on my board. Look you have nothing to loose so pile all you want. I don't want to be the guy that guys like you start to burn on a forum when they read or hear about it. If some GW checks me and him and his wife got in a fight the night before and I get the commingle ticket. Just what I chose to do. Written law or GW interpreted law, I'm going do it.
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Re: Game Warden run in....
[Re: GreyDuck]
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11/06/12 02:54 AM
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LAWBREAKERS deserve the tickets. If your birds aren't separate, then someone shot over their limit - FACT. You cannot disprove and that's why you will get nailed. Do you keep your crappie in seperate coolers when fishing? When getting checked fishing I have never been asked which ones I caught and which ones the others caught. They count to make sure we aren't over our group limit...then move on. I personally think it's pretty stupid that wardens will be picky about that with ducks and the same warden has different standards with fish. It is a good idea to keep you birds seperate to avoid issues with the game warden. They will seperate you and ask each person what birds they shot. Stories better line up or you could be in trouble. Much easier to keep birds seperate and avoid any confusion. I watched a guy get a ticket a few years ago because they had a pile of ducks with the full group limit of pintails. The GW seperated the hunters and individually asked them what birds they shot. The young kid in the group claimed he didn't shoot a pintail. Dad got a ticket for shooting over his pintail limit. Party shot ducks get confusing. If birds are seperated then it is very clear everybody is on the same page as to what birds they are laying claim to. Ducks are migratory birds. Crappie are not. Migratory bird hunting is held to a different standard since Federal rules apply. Which is why you can hunt Texas quail without a plug but must hunt Federal doves and Federal ducks with a plug in your shotgun. correct, its a federal issue... so um... anything in the federal laws about piling birds or keeping them separate?
I like spoonie, his humor is dryer than my duck lease.
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Re: Game Warden run in....
[Re: ishootspoonies]
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11/06/12 03:00 AM
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Jeff Elder
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About 8 pages back there was a guy that said he got a ticket for it. BOBO has a friend who is a guide that got a ticket for it last year. What more proof do you need??? They interpret the law how they see it. And A fed GW sees it his way. I can drive from weatherford to Albany doing 80 mph, and sooner or later Ill get caught. Some troopers will let you go, and some will right you a ticket. The way the law was wrote the Goldstein posted and someone else posted is a gray area where a duck sheriff can interpret it how he sees fit, and some see fit to wright a ticket for it.
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Re: Game Warden run in....
[Re: ishootspoonies]
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11/06/12 03:01 AM
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GreyDuck
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LAWBREAKERS deserve the tickets. If your birds aren't separate, then someone shot over their limit - FACT. You cannot disprove and that's why you will get nailed. Do you keep your crappie in seperate coolers when fishing? When getting checked fishing I have never been asked which ones I caught and which ones the others caught. They count to make sure we aren't over our group limit...then move on. I personally think it's pretty stupid that wardens will be picky about that with ducks and the same warden has different standards with fish. It is a good idea to keep you birds seperate to avoid issues with the game warden. They will seperate you and ask each person what birds they shot. Stories better line up or you could be in trouble. Much easier to keep birds seperate and avoid any confusion. I watched a guy get a ticket a few years ago because they had a pile of ducks with the full group limit of pintails. The GW seperated the hunters and individually asked them what birds they shot. The young kid in the group claimed he didn't shoot a pintail. Dad got a ticket for shooting over his pintail limit. Party shot ducks get confusing. If birds are seperated then it is very clear everybody is on the same page as to what birds they are laying claim to. Ducks are migratory birds. Crappie are not. Migratory bird hunting is held to a different standard since Federal rules apply. Which is why you can hunt Texas quail without a plug but must hunt Federal doves and Federal ducks with a plug in your shotgun. correct, its a federal issue... so um... anything in the federal laws about piling birds or keeping them separate? No, but if you Google "ticketed by game warden for having ducks in a pile" this thread is at the top of the list. 
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Re: Game Warden run in....
[Re: Jeff Elder]
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11/06/12 03:10 AM
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ishootspoonies
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Nope. I keep them separate till we get to the picking shed. After BOBO told me the story of his friend and the one hell of a fine he got for commingling ducks I even marked 6 off on each peg on my board. Look you have nothing to loose so pile all you want. I don't want to be the guy that guys like you start to burn on a forum when they read or hear about it. If some GW checks me and him and his wife got in a fight the night before and I get the commingle ticket. Just what I chose to do. Written law or GW interpreted law, I'm going do it.
its fine brotha, ive said it like 5 times, I think its a good idea to keep them seperate, and it makes their job easier, thus being easier on you. I just would like to see the written law if it is in fact a law. until then, hearing about someones guide that was told by another guy... or however the telephone game chain went, Im not gonna buy it. I wanna hear from the horses mouth, that it actually happened to, and what the ticket read, otherwide Im not gonna believe everything i hear on the interwebs. the more proof I want is a first hand testimony. not so an so heard from so and so... keep seperating your birds, its the right thing to do for your business. and when i go hunting with my wife, i will continue to put both our birds on one strap. If i get cited for it, I will ask the warden where the law says i am not allowed to do it, cause I did EXTENSIVE research on both state and federal sites and could not find it.
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I like spoonie, his humor is dryer than my duck lease.
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Re: Game Warden run in....
[Re: GreyDuck]
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11/06/12 03:13 AM
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No, but if you Google "ticketed by game warden for having ducks in a pile" this thread is at the top of the list. tight work pimp same with "ticket for not separating birds"
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I like spoonie, his humor is dryer than my duck lease.
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Re: Game Warden run in....
[Re: Jeff Elder]
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11/06/12 03:17 AM
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] And A fed GW sees it his way. I can drive from weatherford to Albany doing 80 mph, and sooner or later Ill get caught. Some troopers will let you go, and some will right you a ticket. Jeff, cmon, this is not relevant. im asking for posted laws... for a law to be a law, it must be posted. just like speed limits. the laws says I can not be in possession of your birds. FINE. If they are in pile i am NOT in possession of your birds. i aM in possession of them if I am holding them in my hand.
I like spoonie, his humor is dryer than my duck lease.
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Re: Game Warden run in....
[Re: Featherduster]
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11/06/12 03:29 AM
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Jeff Elder
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Spoon
They can read the law how they see fit. I am not telling you some telephone tale, I'm telling you what BOBO told me and his guide that got hammered told him face to face.
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Re: Game Warden run in....
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11/06/12 03:46 AM
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Several pages ago, on guy mentioned picking up spent hulls, and that the game warden wanted them to separate out their shells so that he could count how many shots they took.
Question, why?
Who cares if I burn five boxes and kill on wood duck, is this illegal to be a bad shot?
The wild life of today is not ours to do with as we please. The original stock was given to us in trust for the benefit both of the present and the future. We must render an accounting of this trust to those who come after us.
-Teddy
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Re: Game Warden run in....
[Re: Pastor Josh]
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11/06/12 03:48 AM
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Several pages ago, on guy mentioned picking up spent hulls, and that the game warden wanted them to separate out their shells so that he could count how many shots they took.
Question, why?
Who cares if I burn five boxes and kill on wood duck, is this illegal to be a bad shot? I think we have concluded that the warden was making sure they picked up all their hulls. if they answered "we shot 50 shells" and only had 10 empties in their bag, he would want to know why they didnt pick up the other 40... thats my guess
I like spoonie, his humor is dryer than my duck lease.
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Re: Game Warden run in....
[Re: ishootspoonies]
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11/06/12 03:51 AM
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I'm guessing they were in a WMA where you can only have 50 shells per person going in.
"I have a very strict gun control policy: if there's a gun around, I want to be in control of it." - Clint Eastwood
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Re: Game Warden run in....
[Re: Pastor Josh]
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11/06/12 03:53 AM
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Man you guys act like people on here are lawmakers and owe you an explanation. Just pile your birds high and tell the warden you wanna see written proof that you have to listen to him. Then post up on here and admit that you should have just taken the advice and separated your birds. Its too easy to separate them.... easier than crying about it that's for sure.
OMG, this is the best slumber party ever!
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Re: Game Warden run in....
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11/06/12 03:54 AM
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I like spoonie, his humor is dryer than my duck lease.
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Re: Game Warden run in....
[Re: ishootspoonies]
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11/06/12 04:33 AM
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I normally look this stuff up for you guys, but I just don't have time right now. I have not read the last pages of the thread but from this last page I can point y'all in the right direction. The outdoor annual is not law. It is only a short summary of state and federal laws and regulations. Co-mingling birds and not immediately killing crippled birds comes from federal regulation. it should be covered in 50 CFR20. The link should be in the sticky at the top of the forum. All you gotta do is scroll through and spend the time to go through the document and find them .
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Re: Game Warden run in....
[Re: Sniper John]
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11/06/12 04:41 AM
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you are refering to this: http://www.fws.gov/le/pdf/50_CFR_20.pdf we have covered pages 12 and 13 over and over, but cant find anything about comingling. if you can find it, i would be thrilled, cause i cant.
I like spoonie, his humor is dryer than my duck lease.
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Re: Game Warden run in....
[Re: ishootspoonies]
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11/06/12 04:48 AM
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Did not take as long as I thought. Subpart D, 20.37 and 20.38.
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Re: Game Warden run in....
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§ 20.37 Custody of birds of another. No person shall receive or have in custody any migratory game birds belonging to another person unless such birds are tagged as required by § 20.36.
§ 20.38 Possession of live birds. Every migratory game bird wounded by hunting and reduced to possession by the hunter shall be immediately killed and become a part of the daily bag limit. No person shall at any time, or by any means, possess or transport live migratory game birds taken under authority of this part.
I see nothing about comingling. I'm I'm in a blind with 3 other guys, I retrieve my duck, toss it in the pile in the blind, that duck is still in my custody, that duck is still in my possession.
If I go home early and leave my ducks in the blind, the bird is now in the custody of others. As long as I'm present, I have not given up custody.
There should be no "grey" areas when it comes to laws that are enforced. If officials feel as though this is a regulation that needs to be enforced it should be stated explicitly and clearly such that there is no question.
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Re: Game Warden run in....
[Re: sprigsss]
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11/06/12 04:56 AM
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§ 20.37 Custody of birds of another. No person shall receive or have in custody any migratory game birds belonging to another person unless such birds are tagged as required by § 20.36.
I see nothing about comingling. I'm I'm in a blind with 3 other guys, I retrieve my duck, toss it in the pile in the blind, that duck is still in my custody, that duck is still in my possession.
If I go home early and leave my ducks in the blind, the bird is now in the custody of others. As long as I'm present, I have not given up custody.
There should be no "grey" areas when it comes to laws that are enforced. If officials feel as though this is a regulation that needs to be enforced it should be stated explicitly and clearly such that there is no question. X2. same thing we have been saying all day.
I like spoonie, his humor is dryer than my duck lease.
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