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Re: Game Warden run in.... [Re: ishootspoonies] #3726272 11/06/12 12:45 AM
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LAWBREAKERS deserve the tickets. If your birds aren't separate, then someone shot over their limit - FACT. You cannot disprove and that's why you will get nailed.

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That doesn't make any sense.


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I like spoonie, his humor is dryer than my duck lease.
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Yes it does. If you aren't separating you are party hunting, and someone shot over their limit. that's all there is to it.

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Originally Posted By: ducksmasher
Yes it does. If you aren't separating you are party hunting, and someone shot over their limit. that's all there is to it.


Thank you for your educational input on this matter. It will be noted and used to better mankind in the future.

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Piling birds does not mean someone shot over their limit. Think before you type on aggression.


Originally Posted By: RoosterCogburn13
I like spoonie, his humor is dryer than my duck lease.
Re: Game Warden run in.... [Re: GreyDuck] #3726325 11/06/12 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted By: GreyDuck

WAL, maybe if you answer this question you will understand what I am saying.......

Why do some cops give a ticket for 3 mph over the limit while another cop will not give you a ticket until you are 11 mph over the limit?

Is there a law in the books that states specifically that one cop will allow you 10 mph over while another has almost zero tolerance? wink



There is no relevance in this comparison. The law with speeding is quite clear. If you are traveling 1 mph over the posted speed limit you are breaking law. You can complain or argue all you want about whether an officer should give you a ticket for going 1 mph over the speed limit, but you can't argue whether or not they can or can not give you a ticket for going 1 mph over. There is no grey area here.

As far as splitting up birds, I have yet to read one regulation that explicitly states you must keep your birds separate. I've been to the Federal website and State websites. One would think that in order to enforce a law there should be a reasonable effort to make the law well known to hunters.

The only people I see reading too far into this are those trying to interpret laws that say nothing about grouping ducks into a law that states they must be separate.

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Originally Posted By: ducksmasher
LAWBREAKERS deserve the tickets. If your birds aren't separate, then someone shot over their limit - FACT. You cannot disprove and that's why you will get nailed.


Fact: I shot 6 birds saturday.

FACT: my buddy also shot 6. All the birds were tossed on top of the blind.

Who shot over their limit?

Just because you pile your birds doesn't mean you are party hunting or someone over shot their limit.

Re: Game Warden run in.... [Re: sprigsss] #3726340 11/06/12 01:03 AM
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I asked the question because of something I read. I am a curious person and will ask if I don't know.

Saturday started my 38 duck season. I have never met one person in 38 years of duck hunting who recieved a ticket for a pile of birds, not one. I don't know anyone personally that has received one. I was told once the GWs like the separated birds and did it when I was hunting the coast.

This year it is all of a sudden LAW. tomorrow will end this all. I will ask a state warden and clear this up for good. until then, peace out fellas.

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Originally Posted By: ducksmasher
LAWBREAKERS deserve the tickets. If your birds aren't separate, then someone shot over their limit - FACT. You cannot disprove and that's why you will get nailed.


So you're saying its impossible for 3 people to shoot 6 ducks each and put them in the same pile? That is not a fact.

Its not up to me to disprove I shot over my limit or ever possessed more than 1 limit. It is up to the Game Warden to prove either I shot over my limit or I possessed more than my limit.

I do not understand how a group of 12 ducks are all in my possession, but if I put them in two groups of six, suddenly only 6 are in my possession.

Lets say you have three people in the blind and you have three groups of hunters. If I'm on the end and swap places with the guy in the middle, do I now have to make sure my group of birds are in the middle?

This whole arguement is ridiculous. I always put my ducks on a strap. I generally try to keep my ducks on one end and my partner's ducks on the other end. But if I shoot 6 big ducks and he shoots 6 Teal, I'm going to put 3 Teal on each side and 3 Big Ducks on each side, just so it doesn't slip off my shoulder when walking out.

I've been checked hundreds of times over the years and have been asked to grab my birds out of a pile to make sure no one shot over a species limit, but I've never been told that putting them in a big pile is a violation either.

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Originally Posted By: sprigsss
Originally Posted By: GreyDuck

WAL, maybe if you answer this question you will understand what I am saying.......

Why do some cops give a ticket for 3 mph over the limit while another cop will not give you a ticket until you are 11 mph over the limit?

Is there a law in the books that states specifically that one cop will allow you 10 mph over while another has almost zero tolerance? wink



There is no relevance in this comparison. The law with speeding is quite clear. If you are traveling 1 mph over the posted speed limit you are breaking law. You can complain or argue all you want about whether an officer should give you a ticket for going 1 mph over the speed limit, but you can't argue whether or not they can or can not give you a ticket for going 1 mph over. There is no grey area here.

As far as splitting up birds, I have yet to read one regulation that explicitly states you must keep your birds separate. I've been to the Federal website and State websites. One would think that in order to enforce a law there should be a reasonable effort to make the law well known to hunters.

The only people I see reading too far into this are those trying to interpret laws that say nothing about grouping ducks into a law that states they must be separate.

So true Sprigg, so very true!

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Wal I thought I saw on here earlier the law about possession. You mentioned four guys in a car and a bale of dope, all get busted for possession. Real curious what you find out.

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Originally Posted By: WAL1809


This year it is all of a sudden LAW.


Been that way for years now......

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Originally Posted By: Fastduck
Originally Posted By: WAL1809


This year it is all of a sudden LAW.


Been that way for years now......

Correct. Now show me where that law was written again. I must have missed it.


Originally Posted By: RoosterCogburn13
I like spoonie, his humor is dryer than my duck lease.
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Originally Posted By: Dave Speer
Wal I thought I saw on here earlier the law about possession. You mentioned four guys in a car and a bale of dope, all get busted for possession. Real curious what you find out.


It has to do with care control and custody, that is the definition of possession. Somebody stated since the birds were on the tailgate, they were no longer in possession. I believe they were way off course with the discussion. No actually I know for a fact they are way off of the discussion.

I think next time I have a question about game laws I will just go see the GW here.

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This year it is all of a sudden LAW.


Been that way for years now......


Thank you for your educational input on this matter. It will be noted and used to better mankind in the future.

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Wal I'm curious too. I don't like to pile ducks during the hunt because counting is easier but I too am not yet convinced it is illegal and we must stand for our rights.

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Originally Posted By: Dave Speer
Wal I thought I saw on here earlier the law about possession. You mentioned four guys in a car and a bale of dope, all get busted for possession. Real curious what you find out.

You can't compare this to dope. It's illegal for anyone to posses dope.

A better amplify would be this: if my 16 yr old nephew drives me to the store to pick up a 6 pack and we get pulled over, he's not gonna get a minor in possession ticket, cause I will claim its my beer. I bought it, I posses it. It's just his truck.


Originally Posted By: RoosterCogburn13
I like spoonie, his humor is dryer than my duck lease.
Re: Game Warden run in.... [Re: ishootspoonies] #3726418 11/06/12 01:18 AM
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Analogy. Not amplify. Stupid iphone


Originally Posted By: RoosterCogburn13
I like spoonie, his humor is dryer than my duck lease.
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Wal I'm curious too. I don't like to pile ducks during the hunt because counting is easier but I too am not yet convinced it is illegal and we must stand for our rights.


Hold on there not so fast! Who are you and why are you posting on this thread? I mean your making sense and all, so I must be reading this wrong.

Thank you Dave I needed some fresh air up

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I think ducksmasher just went full jepsen
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Originally Posted By: ducksmasher
LAWBREAKERS deserve the tickets. If your birds aren't separate, then someone shot over their limit - FACT. You cannot disprove and that's why you will get nailed.


Do you keep your crappie in seperate coolers when fishing? When getting checked fishing I have never been asked which ones I caught and which ones the others caught. They count to make sure we aren't over our group limit...then move on. I personally think it's pretty stupid that wardens will be picky about that with ducks and the same warden has different standards with fish.

It is a good idea to keep you birds seperate to avoid issues with the game warden. They will seperate you and ask each person what birds they shot. Stories better line up or you could be in trouble. Much easier to keep birds seperate and avoid any confusion.

I watched a guy get a ticket a few years ago because they had a pile of ducks with the full group limit of pintails. The GW seperated the hunters and individually asked them what birds they shot. The young kid in the group claimed he didn't shoot a pintail. Dad got a ticket for shooting over his pintail limit.

Party shot ducks get confusing. If birds are seperated then it is very clear everybody is on the same page as to what birds they are laying claim to.

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Do you keep your crappie in seperate coolers when fishing? When getting checked fishing I have never been asked which ones I caught and which ones the others caught. They count to make sure we aren't over our group limit...then move on. I personally think it's pretty stupid that wardens will be picky about that with ducks and the same warden has different standards with fish.

It is a good idea to keep you birds seperate to avoid issues with the game warden. They will seperate you and ask each person what birds they shot. Stories better line up or you could be in trouble. Much easier to keep birds seperate and avoid any confusion.

I watched a guy get a ticket a few years ago because they had a pile of ducks with the full group limit of pintails. The GW seperated the hunters and individually asked them what birds they shot. The young kid in the group claimed he didn't shoot a pintail. Dad got a ticket for shooting over his pintail limit.

Party shot ducks get confusing. If birds are seperated then it is very clear everybody is on the same page as to what birds they are laying claim to.


I totally agree with the logic here and not trying to argue with you. All points are excellent and right on in my opinion.

But at the same time I just don't understand how putting ducks in separate piles is fool proof. I mean it would be impossible for someone to shoot 3 pintails and toss one in his buddy's pile to fool the warden. Yep that can't happen.

Apparently the new laws of duck hunting state:
1. If more than 6 birds are in 1 pile its a fact that someone shot over their limit
2. If multiple piles of 6 birds are formed, it is fact that it is impossible that someone shot more than their limit and placed extra birds in someone else's pile

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I read this to page 12 and gave up didnt want to waste anymore of my life on this thread


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Originally Posted By: WAL1809
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This year it is all of a sudden LAW.


Been that way for years now......


Thank you for your educational input on this matter. It will be noted and used to better mankind in the future.


Wal's out of the loop and everyone else is all of a sudden the bad guy. Got it.

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