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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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10/24/12 03:04 PM
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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Man you can't go wrong with your 7-08 for Tx hunting. If you're looking to buy a new toy, why not upgrade the scope, or get a high quality aftermarket stock and trigger for the rem 700 7-08 you already have? $1000 you may have spent on a new gun package could go farther optimizing the rifle you already have.
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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10/24/12 04:17 PM
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What is optimizing it going to do that it doesnt already do?
I can see changing the stock if it shoots poorly because of contact points etc.. but I also think most people start changing stuff out before they even see if it works! All my rifles shoot great with haldloads and all are in facory stocks.
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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10/24/12 05:54 PM
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OK Here's how I see it with his '06 pump and I assume bolt action 7-08.
All of this is predicated on being able to Reload and rool your own boolitz for a particular job.
He's already got a great short range - think thickets, canyon bottoms and fast close up shots sneakin' & peekin'- shooter in the '06 Pump gun with ranges out to mebbe 250/300 yards doable reliably with 2x7 or 3x9 glass. His BA 7-08 gives him, with bigger glass than a 3x9, ummm say a good 4x16x42 BDC & AO or better for good range for Texas sized stuff out to 500 yards if the gun & operator is capable of it. Why does he need anything more than the pair he's already got is my question.
His choice of an additional shooter in 25/06 gives him no more reach or penetration out to 500 yards than his 7-08 for WTails and stuff and is capable of hyper enough speeds in light bullets for 'yotes and stuff too , and the 7RMg gives him only another 1-150 yards of reach in the same MPBR & bullets he can already shoot from the 7-08.
Now I don't disagree with his wanting more choices to play with, but in a Sporter weight shooter I'd come closer to a 30cal magnum scoped for 350-600+ yards reach or a fast 22 cal VT.. or both. A long HB 7-08 in a VT stock and BIG glass like Chad shoots will give him 1000 yard reach too.
If the OP was as cheap as I am and starting from scratch, I could make do with 3 7-08's...a shorty 16-18" barreled Scout scoped Carbine, a 22" LW Sporter and a bull barreled Target stocked shooter with enough glass to read the Dallas paper from Alpine. But you can do the same thing though with several calibers from the 264's to the 30 cal's. I've wasted so much money over the years tweaking/switching calibers and shooters I could've retired 10 years ago instead of still working for a living. JMHO & YMMV Cheers Ya'll Ron
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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10/24/12 05:58 PM
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257wby is next on my list. I'd probably be happy with the 25-06,but the only lefty rifle it comes in has a barrel contour heavier than I prefer.
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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10/24/12 06:00 PM
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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10/24/12 06:04 PM
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Wide open spaces, long shots, big bodied animals...go 7 Mag. You won't regret it.
Mike Buda, Tx Hunt near Freer
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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10/24/12 06:06 PM
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I have both, the .25-06 gets used 95% of the time.
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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10/24/12 06:18 PM
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Wide open spaces, long shots, big bodied animals...go 7 Mag. You won't regret it. Ya but can you be 1.85"high at a hundred, be dead on at 300 and still hit a 13" target holding dead on at 400..... The 257 wby can
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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10/24/12 06:27 PM
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rifleman
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with a .310 B/C @ 3800fps, you're looking at -7.4" at 400..by 500 it's < 1000 '-#/E.
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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10/24/12 06:47 PM
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Wide open spaces, long shots, big bodied animals...go 7 Mag. You won't regret it. Ya but can you be 1.85"high at a hundred, be dead on at 300 and still hit a 13" target holding dead on at 400..... The 257 wby can That's irrelevant. My .270 doesn't shoot that flat but I still take plenty of game at 400-500 yards. Knowing the ballistics for your chosen weapon is paramount. How much drift will that quarter-bore have compared to the 7 mag, especially in the ever present west Texas winds?
Mike Buda, Tx Hunt near Freer
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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10/24/12 06:52 PM
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Wide open spaces, long shots, big bodied animals...go 7 Mag. You won't regret it. Ya but can you be 1.85"high at a hundred, be dead on at 300 and still hit a 13" target holding dead on at 400..... The 257 wby can Shooting what bolit? I doubt its with a 120 gr and I would still want more than a 120 shooting wt, muley's, audad, elk, etc at long range.
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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10/24/12 06:58 PM
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Wide open spaces, long shots, big bodied animals...go 7 Mag. You won't regret it. Ya but can you be 1.85"high at a hundred, be dead on at 300 and still hit a 13" target holding dead on at 400..... The 257 wby can That's irrelevant. My .270 doesn't shoot that flat but I still take plenty of game at 400-500 yards. Knowing the ballistics for your chosen weapon is paramount. How much drift will that quarter-bore have compared to the 7 mag, especially in the ever present west Texas winds? messing with you.. But from what I have found playing in the high plains panhandle...were their is no such thing as a windless day.... That the 80gr ttsx moving that fast actually had less drift then the 115vlds at 400 -600. With out a turret I'm not messing with any thing for the most part past 400. But I was highly shocked the the lesser bc bullet bucked the wind better... Only thing I can think of is speed and less surface area
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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10/24/12 07:08 PM
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it should for a while, then the high b/c 115 will pass it up. That should happen around the 400yd mark.
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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10/24/12 07:12 PM
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Wide open spaces, long shots, big bodied animals...go 7 Mag. You won't regret it. Ya but can you be 1.85"high at a hundred, be dead on at 300 and still hit a 13" target holding dead on at 400..... The 257 wby can Shooting what bolit? I doubt its with a 120 gr and I would still want more than a 120 shooting wt, muley's, audad, elk, etc at long range. 80gr ttsx, I wouldnt use that bullet over 400yards on any thing over 400lbs..but I would in a heart beat under 400lbs .I'd step up to the 100gr tsx or 115 vld for elk... 120gr is to much weight for long range in the 257.. to much loss of velocity that makes the 25 cal so expectional with low grain bullets. Alaskacub has a 450+ yard caribou kill with the 100gr tsx with the same gun.
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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10/24/12 07:14 PM
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I know Bobo.
.257 Wby Mag will probably be one of my next purchases. I love that round. However, 7 mag is a heck of round too, and a lot cheaper on ammo than the .257 Roy.
Mike Buda, Tx Hunt near Freer
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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10/24/12 07:15 PM
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it should for a while, then the high b/c 115 will pass it up. That should happen around the 400yd mark. Not what I experienced. There is a huge difference in the velocity of the two loads though. Off top my head 80 is almost 3900 at muzzle and the vlds are 3300.
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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get you one of these mild recoiling rigs, Bobo
Range Velocity Energy Trajectory Muzzle 3350 3488 -1.5 100 3142 3069 2.7 200 2945 2695 3.4 300 2756 2361 0 400 2575 2061 -7.9 500 2401 1792 -21.1
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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I know Bobo.
.257 Wby Mag will probably be one of my next purchases. I love that round. However, 7 mag is a heck of round too, and a lot cheaper on ammo than the .257 Roy. Don't get me wrong If I didn't have a 300 win I'd get the 7mm. But truthfully 98% of us have no business shooting far enough to truely take advantage of the 7mm bc potential.
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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it should for a while, then the high b/c 115 will pass it up. That should happen around the 400yd mark. Not what I experienced. There is a huge difference in the velocity of the two loads though. Off top my head 80 is almost 3900 at muzzle and the vlds are 3300. it'll still catch it by 450. talking .316 b/c vs. .466. That 80 slows down dramatically as it loses energy.
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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10/24/12 07:21 PM
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get you one of these mild recoiling rigs, Bobo
Range Velocity Energy Trajectory Muzzle 3350 3488 -1.5 100 3142 3069 2.7 200 2945 2695 3.4 300 2756 2361 0 400 2575 2061 -7.9 500 2401 1792 -21.1 6.5-284? Thought about it just getting tired of 26" barrels + LA Infact probably use my 25-06 encore this year unless I go play on the alafafa
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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10/24/12 07:24 PM
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it should for a while, then the high b/c 115 will pass it up. That should happen around the 400yd mark. Not what I experienced. There is a huge difference in the velocity of the two loads though. Off top my head 80 is almost 3900 at muzzle and the vlds are 3300. it'll still catch it by 450. talking .316 b/c vs. .466. That 80 slows down dramatically as it loses energy. Compare the 80ttsx with the factory 115 bt.. on weatherby's site. Only thing I can think of is speed because the vld is actually better moa in my gun then the 80ttx
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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That's 270wsm, just accidently plugged 3350 instead of 3340. Finally have my wife one set up with turrets on their way for the VX3L that's on it.
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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I know Bobo.
.257 Wby Mag will probably be one of my next purchases. I love that round. However, 7 mag is a heck of round too, and a lot cheaper on ammo than the .257 Roy. Don't get me wrong If I didn't have a 300 win I'd get the 7mm. But truthfully 98% of us have no business shooting far enough to truely take advantage of the 7mm bc potential. This is one of the reasons that I typically choose a heavier bullet for a given caliber. I like 160 grains in 7 mag and 140 grains in my .270. And you are correct about shooting at those distances. I've only shot a handful of deer beyond 400. Pigs and Javis, on the other hand, make nice long distance targets.
Mike Buda, Tx Hunt near Freer
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Re: what caliber should i get first 7mm mag or 25-06?
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That's 270wsm, just accidently plugged 3350 instead of 3340. Finally have my wife one set up with turrets on their way for the VX3L that's on it. After playing with cuz z3 with new bt, either going to send mine in and get it changed or buy another on, and get custom turret
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