would there be much of a difrents in kick/sound

Not much

lol i shot a 223 rossi too night and for a small gun it kicked a lot 45 grain

lil bit on kick and a lot on sound

Hornet has almost no felt recoil.

.223 will have quite a bit more sound, especially with a short barrel.

There is a difference in recoil and sound between the two, though recoil is so slight with either I have never paid it enough mind to compare actual ft lbs of recoil. I am under the school of thought that the .22 hornet is all but worthless. It can't do what a .223 can, nor is it as cheap. Nor does it have any justifiable purpose in my opinion over a .22 mag or .17 hmr for the price and performance.

Handloading is where a .22 Hornet REALLY shines. I have one and a .223. Honestly, there is nothing that a .22 Hornet can do that a .223 can't. I love my Hornet for turkeys, believe it or not. Head shots on hogs with it seem to work well too.

I hope this is a joke!

bet it isn't

im a small guy but not gay

Who said anything about gay? or you think we just asume because your from autin?

Small or big dont matter a 223 dont kick.

man im just bored lol

and I hope this is a joke...

huh?

A 22 hornet is the all time worse choice for a handloader. Brass is just too thin.

I seriously doubt that a 22 hornet will shoot as far or hit as hard as a 223. Ever.

Head shot on a hog with a 22 hornet? I'm from Missouri on that one.

Check the velocity, look at the bullet mass. Which sends bigger bullets farther down range at faster speeds? 22 Hornet? NOT!

Head shot on a turkey? Use a 10/22.

you obviously never handloaded a hornet.
yes the 223 is a bit faster . the 223 at 300yds is what the hornet is at 100. thats the difference, handload the hornet and you cut that to a 100 yd difference

Exactly this. I've been handloading the Hornet for somewhere around 25 years and have never had an issue with brass being too "thin". Load it judiciously, use enough barrel and you can narrow the gap a bit between it and the .223, but the two will never be equal performance wise. I believe that's what I said in the post Cast was referring to, there's nothing that a Hornet can do that a .223 can't.

I was not joking.

As far as putting down a hog with one, all it takes is a head shot. I've done it lots of times over the years as have others here and elsewhere. Dunno what's so unbelieveable about that. Vanguard, was it you that posted a pic on here a time ago of taking a good hog with your Hornet?

i have taken quite a bit more than a good hog with the hornet.
lol.

That's right, I remember now! You and I had a few conversations a ways back about Hornet loads.

Good stuff there, the old Hornet is a very capable round with good shot placement.

Nice looking axis! What grain/bullet did you use? just curious.

You wanna see my dies? I sold my 22H because I couldn't load the brass more than two or three times before it split, and I had a fine Rem 700 223 in the safe that will still outshoot and outkill any 22 Hornet. Sure, I coulda dumbed down the load, but what's the point of hand loading if I can't make it better than I can buy? Now I shoot 22lr, 22wmr, and 17HMR in the place of the 22H, and pick up the slack with a couple of 223's. I stand by my original comment. A 223 is a far better round than a 22H.

your dies must be crap i can get as many loads out of a hornet case as i please, 10, 15, 20 i dont even count , i have had one case split in about 5k loads, i run a full case of lil gun, 13 gr, getting 2950fps out of a 45 gr and 2830fps out of a 50 gr.

we all know a 223 is better at the cost of twice the powder and twice the noise, for that ill just carry a 243. i can get over 500 loads out of a pound of powder in the hornet, its a small caliber we all know that, it is what it is, i dont want a 22 cannon , i want the 22 hornet

heres a rem case which holds 1 more gr of powder than a win case

14 gr of lil gun and a 50 gr bt

50 gr bt, i was aiming for the throat patch, i believe it entered the mouth cause i had no entrance wound and just an exit behind the ear, 165 yds and was lights out

Fan of the Hornet here, have 2 of them. The Hornet never was and never will be equal to the 223 or lots of other rounds. But what the hornet does it does well with a lot less fuss than the 223. My 3 favorite centerfire 22's

22 Hornet in Browning Low Wall and Ruger 77-22H
223 CZ 527, Remington 788, TC Contender and SIG 556
22-243 Custom Remington 700

All fill their own unique place and cover about anything that should ever be done with a 22 Centerfier IMO.

Got me scratching my head s little, I guess the brass is so thin the Hornet could never be necked up to oh lets say to accept a .277 diameter bullet. Sure you loose a few pieces of brass but the 270 Ren does have a following.

One of my favorite rounds for hide hunting was the 22 Hornet and keeping the velocity down. My little Ruger #3 more than paid for it'self in that department. My next favorite was the plain Jane 22 mag in a tube feed Marlin Bolt action.

13 gr. of Lil Gun is exactly what I run with a 45 gr. Sierra. Good load.

nice Shoots !! outsatandings shoots!!

I mean nice pictures !! Shoots well placed !

Well I never had a problem splitting cases but then I didn't try to flatten the primer with high pressure loads. I've seen some of the loads he's posted and I will not run them through a quality rifle but then I notice he doesn't either. My purpose for the Hornet was in getting the velocity down due to hide damage and in that area it worked like a champ. To do the same with my 223's I had to run fillers and never did like that.

Lil Gun and small Pistol primers are your friend when loading for the Hornet

And I can get 3450 with the 50 grain and 3600 from the 45 grain in my 223. The day I have to worry about the cost of powder is the the day I take up knitting. My favorite big varmint load for the 223 is a 35 grain at about 4200 fps. If y'all want to shoot weak anemic rounds streched to the limit y'all go ahead but I'd rather keep the Hornet around stock and use it for what it was designed to do and thats small game.

I just like my Hornet. I have a good rifle that's accurate, dependable and fun. Within it's intended purposes and situations, it's a good one. I've never tried to push it to where it was going to approach .223 performance, because that's just not a realistic or safe expectation. The round is what it is. Bigger game, bigger cartridge. Use the right tool for the job. Then again, that's the beauty of having choices. You use what you want, I will use what I want.

The only choice I would be really critical about would be use of .22 rimfire (or .17 for that matter) on deer.

The Ruger in my safe saw years of use as the main varmint killer at the Parents house for several years. Used within its capabilities it is a very good cartridge. Very good shots can get away with pushing those limits but that is not the best use for a fine old cartridge

Vanguard I think it needs to be said that you could probably kill an elephant with your 22 Hornet! Not that I want you to try, but I don't doubt for a minute that you could do it. Nice kills there brother!

ever shot a rabbit with a hornet ? yuck, not very good for small game, even a 22 mag will split them in threes.

Why in the world would I shoot a rabbit with a Hornet, had you paid attention my purpose in using the Hornet was to protect the hides of fur bearers and it worked quite well. As far as the picture I'll say congratulations on the taking of game but the fact it was done with a Hornet I find unimpressive. I've got pictures of several hog's taken with a 22 mag pistol, even have one of 300 + lb boar taken with a lung shot from a 223, he went 5 yards.

Great pix, vanguard.

well you said small game, fur bearers like yotes would be medium game ?

anyway i like the hornet for what i do, 60 yds doesnt require anything more, at that distance its head and neck shots period, whether i have my 7 or not, but i choose the hornet for those situations, i took a buck at a meer 11 yds one time.
in my early years it was a 22lr, i killed everything with it.
the hornet is quite a step up for me. i already said a 223 is a fine caliber and quite a bit more powerful, 60 yds ehh not for me, maybe if i was shooting long distances at yotes but i dont so i dont need a 223. i have probably shot two yotes in my life, its just something i dont desire to do. we like the yotes around, were a firm believer in natures balance. anyway hers a vid for those who are interested.

If I hunted that place Id be breaking out the 300 wby and some barnes boolits and get 6 in one shot.

owner here says you kill it you clean it and eat it, i aint cleaning six in one evening. lol

No problem with that at all, I would happily clean 6 sweet meat little pigs like that.

sorry for the cell phone pic, 2nd kill with my new ruger 77 hornet.
156 yds to the throat patch 45gr sierra hornet with a pass through. prone position on a bipod laying on a corn fed sendero. this morning

HWY_MAN....what rifle do you use to get velocities in the 4200 range with a small 35 grain bullet in 223? what twist rate is on that barrel of your gun?

got this yesterday morning he was an old deer wasnt gonna get anybetter, hes nice to me, ear holed him at 85yds 22 hornet.

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Thought that looked like the Ruger Hornet

Is there a reason you deer hunt with a 22 hornet? Why not step up in power a bit so you don't have to shoot everything in the damn head?

My thoughts exactly. The only reason to have one is for the "cool factor", not everyone has one like a .223

i hate tracking

I would not even compare a 22 Hornet to a 223. They are simply in two different leagues.

As for hunting… While you can kill a hog even with a 22 LR headshot, It’s not a good practice.
-Headshot is not a good hunting practice
-The caliber is not adequate.

the hornet is 10 times more lethal than a bow, but yet the bow is never questioned.
not adequate ? tell that to the 34 animals i never tracked , not one wounded, 100% success rate.
the 223 in a different league ? really ? its the same darn bullet but one is 400fps faster. bout like a 7-08 to a 7mag
sorry its the exact same league

its not the arrow its the indian
heres an adequate caliber ( ya right) 7mm-08 and my friend shooting or trying should i say. same weekend

now i understand why your pigs don't run very far after they here a gunshot....that sound doesn't associate it to death just near misses..at least in your buddies hands..

nah we just dont pressure this place.
my buddy finally scored minutes after the last shot on that video, we had a huge boar come in and circled the feeder he ended up 40 yds in front of the blind, to dark to video i told him aim high as i thought his gun was shootin low, he heart shot him and crashed 20 yds away

Vanguard, what county are you hunting in? looks like a fine place.

live oak county close to kenedy tx.

lol nice

the hornet hand loaded is the cheapest centerfire you can shoot it makes 4/5 the power of a 223 with half the powder.
the 17 hmr or 22 mag cant hold a candle to the hornet, nor can be reloaded.
this was at 200 yds the hornet almost makes it through the steel the 17 just took the paint off.

That's a big reason why I like the Hornet. Good write up, vanguard.

I'm scope shopping for my new hornet. Should I get a larger objective 50 or magnification up to 12? It's either or. Vortex diamondback most likely.

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That is up to you. I have a 6X fine cross hair Leupold on one and a 4-12X40 Tasco on another. Both work fine, it is not a real long range gun but it really depends on what you want to do with the gun.

check out the vortex at academy , i think its 6x18x44 with iluminated reticle its either 6x18 or 4x18 either way thats the one i want. its 259.00 i believe

love my ruger hornet i bought off od the site... taken 4 hogs(one over 200lbs) and 3 coon and no issues so far!