Don't get me started on that Jackwagon

ARs are to Texas as Communism is to the Soviet Union...

Good in theory, but doesn't really work in real life. I haven't seen any improvement in the overall health of the deer herd in the six years since the ARs were implemented. That's an entire whitetail deer life cycle! If there were good results from the ARs, we would be seeing them by now. I mean, they hurt little kids and the elderly the most... Terrible.

This one's at five pages. I think the last epic AR battle made it 8. Let's break that record.

Deer hunting is now as it is with life under the Obama administration, we must learn to tollerate and embrace the alternative lifestyle of the antler restriction lovers.
Change is good.

Screw obama and ar rules and regs! I hope we can vote em both out!

Guess you never saw a mass starvation due to over population followed by a draught. And we are helping Mother Nature whether we like it or not when we shoot many more bucks than does, and let the sex ratio get out of whack and let the population in excess of the carrying capacity.

Mother nature controlled these in her own way before man intervened.

So now AR Counties are facing mass starvation due to overpopulation if the AR's are lifted. How long did it take you to come up with that pointless and ridiculous tidbit? Do you even hunt in East Texas? Or any AR County for that matter?

How about you tell me what County you hunt in and I'll make you a management plan for your property. I'll tell you how many doe to shoot and help your buck to doe ratio even though I have no idea what it currently is.

The only place I have seen a die-off of deer was in West Texas and there are no AR's in place there so I'm not sure what your point is. But I do know this, the deer herd that is left after the die-off is still healthy. That's what I'm telling you, Mother Nature takes care of the health of the herd. Man just tries to alter their appearance.

If you can tell me one reason AR's improve herd health I'll eat my hat. You say they are to allow bucks to mature so there is a balanced age structure and yet in AR Counties you can shoot 2 yearling bucks legally. If you don't see the flaw in that theory there's nothing I can type that will make you understand.

I've seen unhealthy herds, but most of them were behind a fence and not taken care of.

If you wanted to see unhealthy herds all you had to do was drive around the state last year and height of the fence was not the issue.

Wow. That's quite an inductive leap from the statement that overpopulation can lead to die off to the conclusion that I believe every AR county is in danger.

I'm speaking in generalities because I don't know what the situation is in your area.

Being concerned with the health of the herd does not mean that we are concerned about individual animals not getting the sniffles.

Being concerned about the overall health of the head means that we need to ensure that the poplation is within the carrying capacity. That the sex ratio is where it should be, and yes it helps if the age structure is "Normal". (This is the way things were prior to man's intervention.)

I have not and will not try to tell you how you should manage your deer, because proper management starts with baseline data.

This is why I suggested, and you discounted my suggestion, that you speak with your local game biologist. If your goal was REALLY to improve your local situation, that would be the place to start. If your goal is to "enjoy" long discussions on the internet, you are doing very well.

I'm still waiting on the county figures document these massive doe slaughters I keep hearing ARs are causing....

Well, the discussion was about how AR's improve herd health. I'm still waiting for you to answer that. So far we've covered carrying capacity, buck to do ration, over-population, and and wealth of other things that have nothing to do with the question. Let me seperate the question from everything else so you will understand what I'm asking....

HOW DO AR's IMPROVE HERD HEALTH?

I don't know how you define herd health but a herd of zillions of does with a few goatheads and spikes mixed in doesn't appear very healthy to me.

And allowing the killing of 2 yearling bucks improves that problem how?

Many, if not most, yearlings have at least one branched antler. Thus, they are protected until they are at least 3 1/2. That's how.

BTW in my county only one yearling buck is allowed-and only if he has an unbranched antler.

So those older bucks get something to eat...

You better read your rules again. If you are in an AR county you can kill 2 unbranched antlered bucks if you want to.

One more time, slowly.....ready?

IT DEPENDS ON THE LOCAL SITUATION

that's why, if you REALLY want an answer. You need to ask your local biologist. He might conceivably say : "Hey, you have a unique situation here, unlike most of the county and AR's would not help in your situation". But you would have to follow them anyway, of course.

I can think of situations where AR's might not help any. But there are many more where they can.

But if you really believe crap like:

"every herd in the state is healthy"

"that's mother nature's job and she does it well"

Then I can understand why you are struggling...

One more time, slowly.....ready?

IT DEPENDS ON THE LOCAL SITUATION

that's why, if you REALLY want an answer. You need to ask your local biologist. He might conceivably say : "Hey, you have a unique situation here, unlike most of the county and AR's would not help in your situation". But you would have to follow them anyway, of course.

I can think of situations where AR's might not help any. But there are many more where they can.

But if you really believe crap like:

"every herd in the state is healthy"

"that's mother nature's job and she does it well"

Then I can understand why you are struggling... [/quote]

I'm not struggling one bit. You are the one trying to argue a point that you know nothing about.

Taking a County that was allowed 1 buck before to a County that allows 2 should greatly help the already out of whack buck to doe ratio I suppose. Do you work for TP&W? If you don't know the answer to the question, and you obviously don't, then why jump in the thread?

You guys in East Tx. I'm from over in your area and learned to hunt probably before most of you were even concieved..but I've lived in So. Texas for many yrs..and hunted, guided, and cull shot about as big a ranches as there are...all with different theories, ect..I can tell you that I watch literally 100's of deer dye of starvation on the Rafter S in Batesville during the
late 70's early 80's because Pet would not let anyone kill a doe
or spike and she never allowed baiting or feeding or blinds..and
the deer would come to the tanks in the 100's for water and fall
dead all around them..There is a better use for meat..DD

So you really do believe that every deer herd is healthy, and nothing man can do will have an impact?

I do believe that if left alone nature will do what nature does. If they get above carrying capacity some will die. Still not sure what that has to do with AR's.

I'll take your word on killing two littleuns. Never thought about it since I'm not interested.

I hear all these tales of woe of how ARs have led to massive doe and yearling slaughters-but no proof. Just speculation-speculation I don't buy.

Notice you also ignored the rest of my response.

I didn't ignore it, just didn't put much stock in a reply to a thread about AR's from someone that doesn't even know the law.

Still ignoring....