How about you don't know what your talking about, but seriously you just say what you have read.

any of em cold hammer forged?

in that range id get a savage model 384

No future modifications then the A-Bolt, good out of the box for years. If you think there may be future upgrades then I'd prolly go with the 700 it'll be awesome for along time and about the most flexible bolt gun out there.

LOVE MY A-Bolt 7-08, $500 BUCKS at Bass Pro and I think Browning is paying sales tax this month....hard to beat! Want to spend a little extra buy the Tikka...my next out of the box rifle!

I have the Browning White Gold Medallion in 7mm Rem Mag and it is the finest bolt action rifle that I have ever owned. It came near custom in a nice wood glass-bed stock and the action is amazing.

I own several Rem 700s as well and while very nice, they just don't compare.

If I had to choose between the two I'd choose Remington because it doesn't use a polymer magazine. Browning also changes the design of their rifle once in a while making continued widespread aftermarket support for their rifles and eventual concern since the old models eventually will become obsolete. Remington have remained essentially unchanged for a long time now so continued and widespread aftermarket support is a certainty.

Recently though I have passed them both over for Weatherby Vanguard/Howa rifles because they represent all of the quality of either rifle at a much lower price. The fit and finish of the Vanguard is superior in my estimation to any Remington in the same price range and their continued popularity means that aftermarket support for things like stocks is even greater than that for the Browning.

I am also seriously looking at some of Savage's new products since I've recently seen them take a REAL big step up in quality.

Interesting video. I wonder if and/or how the maker eliminated certain scientific variables. I looked at the youtube page and it didn't look like he explained much. I wonder if he controlled for variables including chamber wall thickness, caliber, condition of the bore, standard maximum pressure, etc.

Most notably none of the rifles "disassembled" at the action but instead split barrels. That was what made me wonder if perhaps the Remington and Browning were shooting larger bore or magnum calibers and perhaps, making chamber walls thinner, and perhaps the others were shooting calibers leaving more chamber wall.

I'll see if I can't dig out any more specifics but, even though I have largely begun to prefer Vanguard rifles for the value and features they offer, I wouldn't let this put me off purchasing a Browning or Remington if I really had my heart set on one, unless I knew that the video was produced in a controlled scientific manner.

It's funny I have a Browning medallion abolt in 300mag and its the worst gun I own accuracy wise. My best friends 270wsm abolt is a shooter. Browning as one of the smoothest action in a mass produced rifle IMO, My issue with Browning is the terrible trigger and lack of aftermarket stocks. Unfortunately all my rem. Will out shoot my 300mag abolt and 2 out of three will out shoot my buddies abolt.


As far as vangaurd good gun/value for what it costs. It's not my favorite but I've never shoot any $400 rifle of the self and been overwelled by it.

The sleeper of the mass produced is the new fn made Winchester. Hell of a gun.

On any of the upper end mass produced guns, you might as well spend a touch more and get a custom or Cooper IMO. You will be much happier in the long run

I really like the rem 700's.

I have two A-Bolts and I have never been disappointed. Ultra smooth bolt, both shoot way better than I ever will. I almost grabbed another one last week- Buds has the composite stalker for $497 delivered.

I like both, but will always go with Remington from now on. Because, if your Father in Law drops a Remington out of a 16-18 foot tripod and breaks the stock in half, the Remington won't cost you a minimum of $450 (and up) for a new stock.

If you paid $450 for a browning stock, you got suckered. I can get White Medallion stocks for less than $250 and that is the highest gradeof wood browning uses on bolt actions.

The problem with a Browning comes if you ever want to change the barrel. Browning puts barrels on with some kind of stickimus maximus that make removing the barrles very difficult. There are instances where removing the barrel actually end up twisting the action.

Remingtons are decent actions and there are a lot more add-ons availible.

Browning actually gave me a really good deal at the end of the day (I did not pay that much).

BUT, the $250 stock is probably only semi-inletted (right?). Add in the time to inlet and bed the stock to a magnum caliber (if the person knows how), or the money to pay a good gunsmith to do it, and the price is no longer $250.

On the other hand, when I posted a while back for a few weeks looking for a stock, why the heck didn't you speak up?!?

I buy stocks mainly from Gunbroker and Boyds, you can find alot of take offs that are ready to go on gunbroker.

Boyds had some semi-inletted ones I saw. I could only find one Browning stock on Gunbroker. I bought it to try to inlet and refinish it myself. When I started to strip the finish, a 5" long crack raised up in the checkering. I said "forget it" but not in such nice of terms and called Browning.

If you rifle is the stock rifle, Boyd's inlet is often really dang close. I have done 3 boyds stocks and it never took anything more than wrapping the right size socket in sand paper and 10-15 minutes of work.