Couple of questions for the HF'ers (since y'all just had to make this into a HF debate)

(I will state that I am doing this for arguments sake and the following statements in no way reflect my opinion of HF ranches or people that hunt them )

1. I have read the argument that HF doesn't really work that well. Then what is the point?

It the best option when combined with a trigger finger, plus its their money and land

2. I have read the argument that HF is a deterrent and does not stop the deer. Then who in their right mind would put a $50k deer behind a deterrent?

As deterrent only the owner can determine if the ROI is worth it. And most don't put a 50k deer in any thing other then a 1 acre pen

3. I have read that some HF places can barely manage to grow 150" deer. How and why do you justify the cost?

You can't but its their money, and if they feel that's the best way for their deer to get old enough and healthy enough to expresses their genetics then so be it. As with anyway in Texas you either have the genetics or you dont.

4. I have read that a HF does not effect the normal travel of a deer. Same pattern on 1200 acres as 12k. If this is the case, you have not hunted where I hunt. No matter the size of the ranch, you are limited some of the deers mobility...maybe not all, but without a doubt, some.

its not effecting their normal core area its effecting the dispersal in and out of they young deer

5. I have read that someone shot a deer on 300 acre HF that no one has ever seen. Someone needs to spend more time on that property because they have no idea what the herd is. just because it was shot their doesn't mean it grew up their..see deterrent


6. If HF is no different than LF, then explain why so many HF places offer a 100% oppurtunity in a 3 day hunt. How many LF places will do that?

this is a funny one, Hunter success is due to pressure and % of mature deer... More mature deer higher %. I hunted a well managed hf for 4 days never saw a mature buck. Several lf ranches have three day hunts...infact their success is equal to hf,
7. If HF hunting is just as hard as LF places, why are people willing to pay $10k plus to hunt one instead of just hunting LF places?price hf is cheaper per inch the lf---fact

8. How can the hunting world expect the views of HF places to change when you can go on many websites, pick your price, pick your deer and get a call from the rancher to come on down, spend 3 days in a 5 star lodge and shoot your deer when you feel like it?
You can do the exact same on a well managed lf ranch, in any state in the us.
9. I am sure I am missing some points, but feel free to fill in the blanks or answer these

One thing we know:

HF hunters are typically more skilled and successful than LF hunters.

We can agree on that, right men?

Define successful-

If your talking mature deer then- then it doesn't mature if its lf/hf matters on acerage and the % of mature deer living their.

If your talking b/c then its determined by geographical location.

If I took the top three deer in the last 4years taken at my lf place ranch in Oklahoma it would smoke most native herd wts lf/hf ranches between the red and hwy 10 of equal acerage or less.

It's like hunting elk in AZ vs CO..you either have the genetics or you dont

You HF guys act like the vast majority of HF places are 5000-10000 acres places with native,undisturbed, natural herds.

Problem is:that is bunk. The vast majority of such places are antler factories for people who either can't or won't actually hunt to shoot 'em a big head to put on the wall. For a nice,hefty price,of course.

Everybody knows that. Denying it in the name of "landowners' rights",citing the few exceptions to this rule,making stupid arguments that the HF doesn't really matter,etc.,etc.,etc. just ignores the truth of what HF "hunting" is really all about.

And it ain't hunting-but little green paper squares.

The non-hunters who will decide the fate of hunting know this and they don't like what they see. I don't blame them. Eventually,this crap will end up hurting real hunters.

Well there ya have it. NP has spoken and told us all how it is. The HF'ers aren't really hunters and are going to ruin hunting for everyone.

I guess we can end this debate now.

NP question,
It seems that you make a lot of assumptions about HF but really do not have any facts to back it up. Just my perception.

Would my perception be correct if I assumed based on your position and responses that everyone from Corsicana (or even East Texas) is closed minded and argumentative?

See my point. You can't lump everyone in the same category just because of one or two similarities.

BOBO, don't even start on this guy, he is a moran! His "skills" as a hunter consists of sitting in a truck and honking the horn for the deer to come looking for feed.

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BOBO, don't even start on this guy, he is a moran! His "skills" as a hunter consists of sitting in a truck and honking the horn for the deer to come looking for feed.

Well your wrong fact is most hf are native genetics.


Why do you hunt in Illinois?