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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: rifleman]
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08/06/12 10:32 PM
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Nightbird
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Now to LP point yes the guy that day leases his land and run as many hunters through there to make a buck is not a good steward of the land in my book. Now would it create an issue if a person is filing out the kids, wife, cousins to their place to shoot whatever unfortunate deer shows up on the property? I will never have a problem with any child taking any game..they are our future..no problem with a spouse either.. But if you are having all your aunts, uncles, cousins, brothers, sister in laws coming out and slaughtering everything then I guess when you have no more deer the there won't be a need to have them over anymore..
James
"That which does not kill us makes us stronger" Friedrich Nietzsche
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: txshntr]
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08/06/12 10:35 PM
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stxranchman
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If you aren't into management, feeding programs, herd control, selective harvest...you are a poor steward of the land Perhaps we think those people are poor stewards because their practices can and do result in unhealthy deer, over grazed flora, increased soil erosion, depletion of favorable plants, negative impacts on many other types of wildlife, increased water pollution, etc. etc. We ARE stewards of the land, like it or not. And whatever we do has an impact. Maybe positive, maybe negative. I prefer positive. So by letting bucks get older and not killing them at a young age, we are avoiding these problems? Don't kid yourself, the management of deer is in place to create bigger bucks, not stop water pollution. So that is what AR's are doing, stopping water pollution since they are letting bucks get older! That is the answer to the million dollar question.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: txshntr]
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08/06/12 10:36 PM
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I'm not kidding myslf. I realize the motivations. But look at what happened to some parts of the Hill Country. Gazillions of doe. Not enough bucks, All kinds of problems result. Including plant degradation, increased erosion, etc. The same thing results if a landowner puts too many goats or cattle in a pasture. If you own land, or use land, you ARE a steward. And your actions have consequences.
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: stxranchman]
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08/06/12 10:36 PM
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txshntr
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I thought they were "our" deer? Nope. You own no deer...unless you HF'em, then they might as well be yours.
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: Pittstate]
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08/06/12 10:36 PM
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Personally, I believe that the vast majority of owners and hunters are ethical and good stewards. You seldom hear of a lease that allows you to fill all of your tags with no restrictions. In fact most leases allow you a trophy, a cull/management and a couple of does. Many only allow one buck.
I think the issue is with a few poor stewards that shoot all they can and sell the rest. Is it their right to do that? Yep. But don't they also have a moral obligation to their neighbors to not do that? Yup.
And this is where the quandary begins.
Good fences make good neighbors, so they say.
Mike Buda, Tx Hunt near Freer
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: stxranchman]
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08/06/12 10:36 PM
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txshntr
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If you aren't into management, feeding programs, herd control, selective harvest...you are a poor steward of the land Perhaps we think those people are poor stewards because their practices can and do result in unhealthy deer, over grazed flora, increased soil erosion, depletion of favorable plants, negative impacts on many other types of wildlife, increased water pollution, etc. etc. We ARE stewards of the land, like it or not. And whatever we do has an impact. Maybe positive, maybe negative. I prefer positive. So by letting bucks get older and not killing them at a young age, we are avoiding these problems? Don't kid yourself, the management of deer is in place to create bigger bucks, not stop water pollution. So that is what AR's are doing, stopping water pollution since they are letting bucks get older! That is the answer to the million dollar question. I can't wait to tell Curly!!!!!
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: Nightbird]
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08/06/12 10:37 PM
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stxranchman
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Now to LP point yes the guy that day leases his land and run as many hunters through there to make a buck is not a good steward of the land in my book. Now would it create an issue if a person is filing out the kids, wife, cousins to their place to shoot whatever unfortunate deer shows up on the property? I will never have a problem with any child taking any game..they are our future..no problem with a spouse either.. But if you are having all your aunts, uncles, cousins, brothers, sister in laws coming out and slaughtering everything then I guess when you have no more deer the there won't be a need to have them over anymore.. He is from East Texas and has a large extended family. Sorry for sterotyping again.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: Nightbird]
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08/06/12 10:37 PM
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rifleman
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Now to LP point yes the guy that day leases his land and run as many hunters through there to make a buck is not a good steward of the land in my book. Now would it create an issue if a person is filing out the kids, wife, cousins to their place to shoot whatever unfortunate deer shows up on the property? I will never have a problem with any child taking any game..they are our future..no problem with a spouse either.. But if you are having all your aunts, uncles, cousins, brothers, sister in laws coming out and slaughtering everything then I guess when you have no more deer the there won't be a need to have them over anymore.. if you feed them, they will come. Things might have to die down, but something will find it at night and get hungry during the day.
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: txshntr]
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08/06/12 10:38 PM
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rifleman
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I thought they were "our" deer? Nope. You own no deer...unless you HF'em, then they might as well be yours. no milk deer, will ever be our milk deer.
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: stxranchman]
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08/06/12 10:39 PM
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Pittstate
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Those armadillos are getting so bad around my Dad's place in Kansas that he now rides around the sections with his 22 mag and shoots them in the morning and evenings. He likes it more than coyote hunting now.
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: LandPirate]
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08/06/12 10:39 PM
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txshntr
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Personally, I believe that the vast majority of owners and hunters are ethical and good stewards. You seldom hear of a lease that allows you to fill all of your tags with no restrictions. In fact most leases allow you a trophy, a cull/management and a couple of does. Many only allow one buck.
I think the issue is with a few poor stewards that shoot all they can and sell the rest. Is it their right to do that? Yep. But don't they also have a moral obligation to their neighbors to not do that? Yup.
And this is where the quandary begins.
Good fences make good neighbors, so they say. I agree. Most folks try to do what is right, but there are a few jack wagons that mess it up for the rest. There are also a few that don't buy into the management system and are ridiculed for it.
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: LandPirate]
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08/06/12 10:41 PM
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rifleman
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Personally, I believe that the vast majority of owners and hunters are ethical and good stewards. You seldom hear of a lease that allows you to fill all of your tags with no restrictions. In fact most leases allow you a trophy, a cull/management and a couple of does. Many only allow one buck.
I think the issue is with a few poor stewards that shoot all they can and sell the rest. Is it their right to do that? Yep. But don't they also have a moral obligation to their neighbors to not do that? Yup.
And this is where the quandary begins.
Good fences make good neighbors, so they say. The new thing in ETX are the small timber tracts that the timber companies can;t sell so they are leasing. A person can lease 40-150 acres at $7 an acre and basically do as they wish in terms of shooting deer.
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: txshntr]
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08/06/12 10:41 PM
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Pittstate
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And a few that don't do their part and feed protein all year
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: Pittstate]
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08/06/12 10:43 PM
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rifleman
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: rifleman]
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08/06/12 10:52 PM
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stxranchman
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He out of the closet on feeding so to speak in Kansas now.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: stxranchman]
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08/06/12 10:54 PM
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txshntr
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He out of the closet on feeding so to speak in Kansas now.
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: txshntr]
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08/06/12 10:57 PM
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Pittstate
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ok, 10 pages on a Monday is pretty good. I am outta here...got to get on the bike and exercise.
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: Pittstate]
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08/06/12 10:58 PM
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txshntr
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ok, 10 pages on a Monday is pretty good. I am outta here...got to get on the bike and exercise. You should use the treadmill instead
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: txshntr]
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08/06/12 11:04 PM
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Come on guys y'all can get to 400 posts in this thread in 5 hrs if you hurry. You got about 24 mins, ready go. Oh yea, as far as the topic goes I got nothing to added except butter and salt.
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Re: I just don't get it.
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08/06/12 11:07 PM
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txshntr
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Come on guys y'all can get to 400 posts in this thread in 5 hrs if you hurry. You got about 24 mins, ready go. Oh yea, as far as the topic goes I got nothing to added except butter and salt. Everyone just gave out...I was giving it a heck of an effort though.
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: txshntr]
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08/06/12 11:08 PM
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LandPirate
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You were just stirring the pot. Trying agitate Stxranchman.
Mike Buda, Tx Hunt near Freer
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: txshntr]
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08/06/12 11:09 PM
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rifleman
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I honestly feel this thread was directed at Stxweishuhn
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: LandPirate]
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08/06/12 11:09 PM
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txshntr
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You were just stirring the pot. Trying agitate Stxranchman.
I would like to think that I succeeded...and to be honest, I think that I have gotten pretty dang good at it
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Re: I just don't get it.
[Re: rifleman]
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08/06/12 11:11 PM
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txshntr
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I honestly feel this thread was directed at Stxweishuhn What would give you that idea??? I'm sure this was meant for stxrancher or whatever his name is..He is like Larry Weishan or whatever his name is and thinks if its not on his place or a deer he shot its not worth pulling the trigger on.
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