To fully manage their land, don't they have to fence out the neighbors?

Lol has every thing to do with the emporer in your mind. What's the differance in hunting the king ranch then a native herd hf... 99% of the places out their your probably going to shoot a bigger deer on the king then the hf. In face probably a lot easier to do.... the difference in pressure. Temple inland boggy slough is another great example up until recently 21k under fence...but not near the top end deer or success percentage of the King.

But you know that... The issue is both require $$$ to hunt....and there lies the issue

Yes you said it correctly...."fence out" not "fence in"

If habitat were the same and deer could put it to antler I'd venture a guess that Boggy would blow the King out the water.

The neighbor isn't hunting your place, no need to fence them out

Off to the gym yall have fun

Ahhhh...I was just getting started

Exceptions that prove the rule Bobo. $$$ don't have squat to do with it. I know alot of guys who hunt and are very skilled that don't have a pot to piss in. Some kill some great bucks. But the smallest basket rack they kill is more impressive to those that know what hunting is than the biggest buck ever killed in a pen.

Goldy appreciates your determination to be in shape to pack out his elk

And my problem is not with HF or LF. My problem is when somebody takes a deer for some venison someone tries to say that they are an unethical hunter. If they eat what they kill then how is it unethical? Now to LP point yes the guy that day leases his land and run as many hunters through there to make a buck is not a good steward of the land in my book.

Said I would get started in a month. I will win. I have done it before. Neighbors will hate me when the buzzards start to fly and the hogs slowly go away.

The problem is with the mindset. There are certain folks that think the herd has to be managed, let the bucks age, if you want meat, shoot a doe, etc. They don't appreciate the idea that it is ok to go into the woods, enjoy the peace, and take a 4 pointer. That 4 pointer might have been trophy and you took that away from them.

If you aren't into management, feeding programs, herd control, selective harvest...you are a poor steward of the land and a disgrace to hunters everywhere. You should only be allowed to take doe and should not be issued a buck tag.

But isn't that what TPWD is doing with AR's

Now would it create an issue if a person is filing out the kids, wife, cousins to their place to shoot whatever unfortunate deer shows up on the property?

When I grew up we were told to shoot a fork buck over a doe because that buck can't have fawns next year and the doe can. All you need is one buck to take care of many does.....a lot of 3 and 4 year old bucks die in Kansas due to getting their butts kicked by bigger bucks during rut. Might as well bag them as a trophy...

The main problem is East Texas people eat everything with a pulse including coons and possums.

Wow, no stereotyping there, lol

Yes. Because they are tired of everyone fencing in "THEIR" deer

Perhaps we think those people are poor stewards because their practices can and do result in unhealthy deer, over grazed flora, increased soil erosion, depletion of favorable plants, negative impacts on many other types of wildlife, increased water pollution, etc. etc.

We ARE stewards of the land, like it or not. And whatever we do has an impact. Maybe positive, maybe negative. I prefer positive.

And people from East Texas venture out into other parts of Texas and serial-eat everything out of existence.

It's ridiculous. Stop it, East Texans.

You must not have met cameron yet

it's okay..... he's talking about himself too.

Got any good recipes? I am on coon trapping kick again with 4 in the last 2 days. I hope they don't put AR's on coons and possums or I will have to switch to armadillo (possum on the half shell)

So by letting bucks get older and not killing them at a young age, we are avoiding these problems? Don't kid yourself, the management of deer is in place to create bigger bucks, not stop water pollution.

I thought they were "our" deer?