he might cut you some slack if you are feeding protein.

I'm with you on supporting the "true meat hunter" and the day hunter. But the landowner should explain the rules on what can be taken. But if he limits the hunters to only does, he gets less $$$.

Does anyone HF that does not also sell hunts or lease out?

Why would I if he is feeding enough for the herd?

At what point did I say that we don't practice game management on our place???? We have the same problem as any other low fence ranch and people next door but I'm still not a fan of HF unless you are running exotics but hey thats just me. Last time I checked we didn't own any of those deer running place to place.

Nice try but I will bite anyways. Reread my post again. I said and I quote "nothing wrong with that". That HF comes from abusing the resource and shooting over what the 100 acres will support. If the land will support killing 3 bucks per 100 acres then no problem. The problems starts when the 3 turns to 13 or more. If I am doing what my personal goals are for management and you are working with them then no problems. If they don't then a HF should not be a problem with you either.

oh and yes i feed corn and protien. do not feed corn year ropund just protien. also if i see a cull buck i shoot it, if i see an injured deer i shoot it. So why, if a big deer shows up can i not shoot it?

I would not even want to wager a guess but I will say I bet the vast majority of HF ranches do not sell any hunts or lease.

So, as long as they are doing what you want, then you are fine with them? What if they have different ideas? You win because you have more land and the money?

All the big deer are theirs because they have more land than you. That pretty much sums it up.

Because you just shot a cull and a crippled buck and you are out of tags in a 2 buck county

BINGO



Folks we have a WINNER!!!

Ok lets put the shoe on the other foot. You own 100 acres next to 3,000 acres that is not hunted. Been your honeyhole for 10 yrs. You feed protein, food plots and keep numbers down to CC or as close as you can. You only kill mature bucks and not go overboard. The 3,000 acres sells and now is hunted. They put in 30 blinds and 30 corn feeders with 3 along your fenceline. They are now shooting every legal buck that walks and no does. How has your opinion changed?

the big ones around us put up fences to keep out ppl & their dogs many, many moons ago. They fenced in the inner sections for years to keep out hogs and to keep in the deer from Kansas to maintain those genetics.

should have bought the 3000 acres.

If you have 1 acre, 10 acres, 100 acres or 10,000 acres, there are things you can do to help manage the deer herd. The first and foremost is to provide food or protection. The difference between leaving 2 acres alone to grow out and provide cover Vs. stripping the land and putting in a sod farm (sorry, don't mean to bash this type of farm) is HUGE.
Sometimes a small 2 acre stretch of land is used heavily by deer to cross from one place to another. If you are lucky and have access to this strip of land and purchase a deer license, you are able to harvest 5 deer in most counties. If you don't need 5, please don't kill 5.

Now, in the same situation, sometimes the deer need the food and cover from both places the deer are traveling to (between the 2 acre patch) survive. If one or both of the neighbors hf their land, they may actually do hard to the herd. I know this is an extreme case, but it could and probably does happen more often than we think.

Had that happen to me in Young county and it sucks but its life.

Nope no one wins. The issue then becomes I can do what I want on my land and they can do what they want on theirs. That is where you seem to have the issue.

You say this but I have owned one 30 acre track for 5 years and shot 3 deer. One doe, one basket rack 8 pointer that was 7 yo and two years ago I let my wife shoot her first deer a 3 year old spike. There are bigger deer out there just not taken one YET!

This is fun. I get to add to my post count and argue mute points with txshntr.

If that is true, then you are the exception not the rule, and I doubt your neighbor his really upset with you.

If you have that 100 acres, you are not "managing" that 3000 acres, you are drawing deer off of it. No way you can control the herd on 3k acres by hunting 100 of it...even if it was in the middle of it.

If it was the honey hole, it was because of the unhunted land. HF'ing it will not make a difference, the deer still aren't there. 30 hunters on 3k acres will make a bigger difference than what 30 hunters on 100 acres could ever make.

Isnt there a saying... something about fighting with a hog is fun till you realize your both covered in chit or somethin like that..

Not in the same year. I figured that was understood.

I do not like over regulating, certain amount is needed though!

Target these type of abusers.

1.Owners/managers of day hunts that way overharvest.

2.Lease privilige abusers, I hear it to often where they bring different friends out all the time and taking way to many animals.
3.A small amount of land owners that allow everybody and there dog to harvest every animal in sight, weekend and weekout.

There needs to be some type of law targeting these type of abusers!

Of course Hang or Castrate Poachers depending on the severity!!


The above have No regard for the land and its resources!!

Star light, Star bright get rid of these dirt balls tonight!