Same thing happened to a buddy of mine out north of Bracketville when he bought 250 acres on the northside of subdivision. He thought since his neighbor was 9,000 acres+ he would have some great hunting even though he was in a subdivision. Managment minded and not shooting anything that walked was he wrong. The neighbor was leased for a company lease and they hunted so hard that he had to HF is place just to have deer to see much less hunt. He had to HF out a 10 acre strip between his HF and the 9,000 acres so they would not shoot across the fence. You are right it sucks but it works both ways.

I have an issue with the mentality that the "big" guy can push out the "little" guy because he has more land or more money. I understand the concept, but just because he has less land, it doesn't mean that he deserves a lessor deer. HF is an easy way out and seems selfish in this situation.

Seems like a selfish thing to do...like a kid "I am going to take my toys and go home" because you couldn't play with fire truck. You don't like that they shot "your deer", so you HF em.

Told you it was coming

Maybe one day we will argue about something important...until then, these will keep me occupied.

That was me just being a SA

I'm not gonna point fingers or call names, everyone has thier own reasons for doing what they do and for thinking what they think. Several years ago I hunted on a property that was owned by a coporation, which allowed employees and there family only, it was bordered by at least 5 other landowners. Now I never set a feeder up on this property several other did, we had some landowners putting up makeshift HF for hunderds of yards whenever they could see a feeder, some came to us and complained about how their leasee's were watching a particular deer but haven't seen it in awhile and demanded that we start letting them know what was killed. Skirmishes like this went on for the entire 25 years I hunted this property, the biggest rant and rave baby fit I ever saw was when during one of these conversations I told the neighbor hunter that I figured there were enough deer around for all of us to have what we needed. In his case it was nothing more than greed and envy. So personally I wouldn't spend to much time trying to "get my head wrapped around what people think" it's been my experience that they're gonna think what they want no matter what you or I do or say.

I love the HF/LF debates the best......it seems hunters are like truck owners.....90% think there brand is the best and the other brand is 100% crap.

Is this a HF/LF debate?

I would venture to guess that most P&Y bucks (sorry, HF doesn't qualify for some reason???) are killed on tracts of land that are less than 700 acres. Bet the highest percent are killed on tracts less than 200 acres.

If we hunted that way there wouldn't be a deer left... Let's no repeat our fathers mistakes

I think greed and envy are a good way to sum it up

Why do you think that?

You guys were talking about adding post count on subjects that didn't mean much....IMO HF/LF debates fall into the same category...will never be settled on a forum, that is

Most P&Y bucks are killed up north where land is sectioned in 640 acreas.....only makes sense

Most 640 acres sections are owned by multiple different owners

And, when looking at a mile section, 20% of the land holds 80% of the deer, imo

up north, that is, not south texas

And if as a hunter I could care less about P&Y or B&C score how does this effect the acreage size where deer are taken?

This is actually why we HF, we have no outside genetics at all but we started to see people spliting and buying 10-20 acres on our fence, putting 3 feeders on the lot as shooting deer as soon as the jump the fence. They obviously had no resident deer as you can see every inch of the lot and were just drawing them off our place with various attractants and scents. Although the state owns the deer We are still the ones feeding them and caring for them all year long IE: water, feed, irrigated fields brush control ect, And when you see someone bring in a 160" deer you have been watching since birth and feeding and bragging about it jumping over the fence and getting shot around town it make you a little mad. So we game fenced on all sides that had these small lots and kept it LF around the rest. Then we just HF the other side of the ranch completely for our exotics.

Yeah the guy next to us had blinds up and down every fence it was crazy. Sounded like a shooting gallery on opening day

Your talking a completely different environment, urbanization, densities and deer.

On top of that your talking a 125" deer. And in the places your mentioning is most likely a 3.5 year old

I would venture to guess that MANY deer that make P&Y don't make it into the record books. But I would agree that MANY deer that make P&Y are taken off smaller acreage up north, because most the places up there are smaller acreages.

Bobo who said they were shooting everything that walked? Where did you see that in my post?

I don't quite understand what your question is, but, since most deer hunters are not "rich", they can't afford to hunt large tracts of land (cost per acre). I don't believe pooling with 30 others hunters to rent a 30 times larger tract (when I am 1/30th of the hunters) gives me a better chance to harvest a deer.

This is not a hf/lf thread, it is a thread focused on why people think that us small land hunters have no right to hunt as a big land hunter is.

You didn't but the good ol days and today don't mix. Between over harvest, a severe deprivation mind set, and screw worms...those good ol days really weren't that good... Some what of a fictional mind set.

We have more deer now then we have had in over 100 years.
I fought all my life to change that mindset I too was once a part of.