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Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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05/31/12 05:42 PM
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westexbuck
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For years, my hunting buddys and I have laughed at each other about the giant bucks we killed that hit the hard Texas gorund and fell victim to ground adjustment or ground shrinkage. We had a problem as do many hunters of accurately scoring a deer on the hoof. We came up with different formulas and strategies to get an accurate rough score, but they all had flaws. Years of this made us very frustrated. Then I had an idea that has worked amazingly! I let my friends that do and don't hunt test it out to see if anyone can use it and to my suprise they nailed it. I spoke with Boone and Crockett and got there approval and licensing, now its being turned into an app for iphone and android markets. This system quickly allows any hunter to get a gross Boone and Crockett score on the hoof. It should be on the market by mid-late June. The name of this app is Antler Metrix. Just got the first build on it and it is easy to use, not distracting and allows the user to score a deer accurately in 15- 30 seconds. This is designed for hunter's in mind. This is a tool, not a game, scam or money making scheme. There aren't extra gadgets that don't apply to everyday hunting. You see a buck, pull it out and get a gross score in seconds. You don't have to take a picture of the deer. It uses facial characteristics, antler characteristics and tine length. I'm really pumped about this app! I want to share a tool that will help hunters/managers alike. I think it will give the average hunter who doesn't guide those 5000 acres in the Golden Triangle an opportunity to gauge deer of all sizes without killing the deer first. On the otherhand, it will help guys who hunt/guide those 5000 acre raches a solid reinforcement when judging deer on the hoof. I think this tool can better aide all hunters who are managing their herd to get to whatever trophy size they are after along with distinguishing mature culls.
ANTLER METRIX Conquer Ground Adjustment!
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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05/31/12 07:39 PM
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: Kingpin]
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05/31/12 07:50 PM
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While on this thread, I'm also selling some oceanfront property in Arizona, heck of a deal if anyone wants it.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: Kingpin]
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05/31/12 07:51 PM
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I'd be interested in seeing this.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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05/31/12 07:55 PM
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Please move your ad for this app to the classifieds section.
BTW.. I can't imagine pulling out my IPhone and keying in numbers to gross score a live deer in the field.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: dkershen]
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05/31/12 08:40 PM
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I could see using the app to score game cam pictures, practice to train the eye, I'm not using it in the field.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: nsmike]
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05/31/12 08:52 PM
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So, it is a calculator with directions
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: txshntr]
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05/31/12 08:54 PM
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How does it adjust to say a 100lb buck to say a 200lb buck?
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: rifleman]
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05/31/12 08:58 PM
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How does it adjust to say a 100lb buck to say a 200lb buck? Don't think it does. Sounds like it walks you through the scoring process, not scores it for you by judging the picture
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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05/31/12 11:18 PM
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I would have to see it. I would love it if it worked like you say.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: bigbuck1]
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05/31/12 11:27 PM
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I would have to see it. I would love it if it worked like you say.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: chital_shikari]
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06/01/12 01:57 AM
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How about you recommend Aging and Judging Trophy Whitetails by James Kroll instead?
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: MogulRanch]
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06/01/12 02:32 AM
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How bout shoot for age, the hell with score. If I kill a 3 yo 150 and you shoot an 8 yo 140 I say you got the better trophy, but that's just me. If you can't tell the difference between a 3 and 8 yo or even a 3 and 5 yo within a few seconds on the hoof, you should hang up your gun and do some research before you pick it back up. I look for age and broken tines and if all checks out I'm looking for a dead deer.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: 8pointdrop]
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06/01/12 02:45 AM
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/01/12 03:13 AM
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Im surprised its taking this long for someone to come out with something. If they can do a sonogram on a preborn baby why cant you take a picture of a deer and let an i-phone or gadget score it for you? The ears are x-length or the nose is x-long and the rest of the numbers would fall in place.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: dkershen]
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06/01/12 03:16 AM
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You would see doing it, if your paying by the inch on a deer you were going to kill.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: bigdavehunting]
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06/01/12 04:22 AM
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: stxranchman]
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06/01/12 04:24 AM
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Deer size comes into play too much.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: rifleman]
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06/01/12 04:43 AM
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Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: stxranchman]
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06/01/12 04:44 AM
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East Texas Math
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: txshntr]
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06/01/12 04:47 AM
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East Texas Math I think it is East Texas Math with a West Texas Phone App Chaching
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: stxranchman]
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06/01/12 04:51 AM
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: stxranchman]
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06/01/12 04:59 AM
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150 in of antler looks huge on a Shetland txhntr deer, not so much on a 200lb(field dressed) rifleman deer.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: BMD]
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06/01/12 05:06 AM
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: rifleman]
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06/01/12 05:24 AM
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150 in of antler looks huge on a Shetland txhntr deer, not so much on a 200lb(field dressed) rifleman deer. We have already determined that you are the same height as me...guess that would make you a bowling ball
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: txshntr]
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06/01/12 05:34 AM
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Hmm... Could say that, but I'm not hvy & round.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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06/01/12 04:34 PM
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For years, my hunting buddys and I have laughed at each other about the giant bucks we killed that hit the hard Texas gorund and fell victim to ground adjustment or ground shrinkage. We had a problem as do many hunters of accurately scoring a deer on the hoof. We came up with different formulas and strategies to get an accurate rough score, but they all had flaws. Years of this made us very frustrated. Then I had an idea that has worked amazingly! I let my friends that do and don't hunt test it out to see if anyone can use it and to my suprise they nailed it. I spoke with Boone and Crockett and got there approval and licensing, now its being turned into an app for iphone and android markets. This system quickly allows any hunter to get a gross Boone and Crockett score on the hoof. It should be on the market by mid-late June. The name of this app is Antler Metrix. Just got the first build on it and it is easy to use, not distracting and allows the user to score a deer accurately in 15- 30 seconds. This is designed for hunter's in mind. This is a tool, not a game, scam or money making scheme. There aren't extra gadgets that don't apply to everyday hunting. You see a buck, pull it out and get a gross score in seconds. You don't have to take a picture of the deer. It uses facial characteristics, antler characteristics and tine length. I'm really pumped about this app! I want to share a tool that will help hunters/managers alike. I think it will give the average hunter who doesn't guide those 5000 acres in the Golden Triangle an opportunity to gauge deer of all sizes without killing the deer first. On the otherhand, it will help guys who hunt/guide those 5000 acre raches a solid reinforcement when judging deer on the hoof. I think this tool can better aide all hunters who are managing their herd to get to whatever trophy size they are after along with distinguishing mature culls. sure will make it easier judging the 13inch rule.. have let several bucks walk that were close actualy seeing more deer
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: txshntr]
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06/04/12 02:58 PM
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I know there is some disbelief and I would have been the first in line give to my opinion on this issue until I came up with this system. I have read Aging and Judging Trophy Whitetails, studied the deer studies at Kerr Wildlife Management Area, read every article I can get my hands on about managing whitetails and practice them on our west Texas lease. We manage our herd to raise trophy whitetails and harvest only mature deer. We harvest 4.5+ yr trophy Bucks only, we cull out inferior bucks starting at 2.5 if they meet our managment criteria, we harvest does when our 1: 1.5-2 ratio gets off and the best way to get kicked off our lease is to kill a 130 class 3.5 yr old. We manage our herd to harvest mature bucks regardless of score. This tool I came up with is from years of looking at antlers, their characteristics and patterns in score. As for deer size, the characteristics of a deer's body change throughout the hunting season. We've had bucks loose roughly 20% of their preseason weight harvested in late December, judging by our trail cam photos. So, using body size would only help early season and pre-rut, especially during a drought or a herd with 1:1 -1:2 ratio where the bucks move and compete more. The characteristics that don't change during the year or region are their ears and head. The face might thin out to make a 5.5 yr look like a 3.5 yr, but the ears and the facial length never change. I am from East Texas, I do hunt on West Texas lease, I also fish the coast and married a south Texas girl. My passion is whitetals! This system was approved by Boone and Crockett and was meant to help you get a quick gross score to back what already thought/knew up or help you with what you didn't. Give it a chance.
ANTLER METRIX Conquer Ground Adjustment!
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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06/04/12 03:02 PM
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So what about deer with ears for a 13" spread and those that are more in the 15" range?
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: rifleman]
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06/04/12 03:05 PM
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Sounds like a calculator with directions
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: txshntr]
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You look at said Buck, choose options and give a rough estimate on tines and it gives you a low, actuall and high gross score. You may have a buck that's score is 136-139-142. Giving you a range this buck from what you see in his characteristics will score. It's actually pretty handy, especially on thoses 3.5 yr bucks that are all moving through the brush alone and look like a mature 150 class because thier aren't any other deer for reference. You shout him and he turns out a to be a 3.5 yr 135. Body size is great for judging unless their all alone and you have no other deer to compare. This app doesn't age deer because that takes a hunter knowing his deer at each particular time of the season. Nobody can tell you that in an app.
ANTLER METRIX Conquer Ground Adjustment!
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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06/04/12 03:29 PM
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During my research on this system, I used the most common charateristics of a sample size to determine the formulas.
ANTLER METRIX Conquer Ground Adjustment!
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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06/04/12 03:32 PM
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There is no calcultor envolved. Not a simple you fill in some numbers and it gives you a score that you could have written down and done yourself. The calculations are done through the apps programming by choosing a combination off antler characteristics. I've seen the calculator type apps and feel the same as you.
ANTLER METRIX Conquer Ground Adjustment!
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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06/04/12 03:56 PM
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Or you could look at alot of deer...score as many as you can...do that ten times over and then you got it
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: rifleman]
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That suckers got some rolls
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: Navasot]
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What do you think that magnificent 8 scores?
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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06/04/12 04:08 PM
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There is no calcultor envolved. Not a simple you fill in some numbers and it gives you a score that you could have written down and done yourself. The calculations are done through the apps programming by choosing a combination off antler characteristics. I've seen the calculator type apps and feel the same as you. So how does it work then...I don't get it
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: txshntr]
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06/04/12 04:11 PM
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takes a pic then sends it to stx. might get 2 or 3 answers though
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: bigdavehunting]
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Im surprised its taking this long for someone to come out with something. If they can do a sonogram on a preborn baby why cant you take a picture of a deer and let an i-phone or gadget score it for you? The ears are x-length or the nose is x-long and the rest of the numbers would fall in place. It hasn't! Buck Score was out a couple years ago and was actually done through a graduate research project and real scientists. If anyone wants an app that is more mature (2 years old), has research scientists behind it, and available today look at Buck Score. After I harvested some deer I went back to the game cam pics and it was +/- 3". http://www.buckscore.com/
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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06/04/12 05:15 PM
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You look at said Buck, choose options and give a rough estimate on tines and it gives you a low, actuall and high gross score. You may have a buck that's score is 136-139-142. Giving you a range this buck from what you see in his characteristics will score. It's actually pretty handy, especially on thoses 3.5 yr bucks that are all moving through the brush alone and look like a mature 150 class because thier aren't any other deer for reference. You shout him and he turns out a to be a 3.5 yr 135. Body size is great for judging unless their all alone and you have no other deer to compare. This app doesn't age deer because that takes a hunter knowing his deer at each particular time of the season. Nobody can tell you that in an app. So it still an educated guess then. You don't kill the bucks and know the actual score.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: BuckRage]
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You may have a buck that's score is 136-139-142. takes a pic then sends it to stx. might get 2 or 3 answers though Read the quote above buckwheat.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: Rob Lay]
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Im surprised its taking this long for someone to come out with something. If they can do a sonogram on a preborn baby why cant you take a picture of a deer and let an i-phone or gadget score it for you? The ears are x-length or the nose is x-long and the rest of the numbers would fall in place. It hasn't! Buck Score was out a couple years ago and was actually done through a graduate research project and real scientists. If anyone wants an app that is more mature (2 years old), has research scientists behind it, and available today look at Buck Score. After I harvested some deer I went back to the game cam pics and it was +/- 3". http://www.buckscore.com/ They take in regional variations for body size also, correct?
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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I'll walk you through this 8 point. Ok first step, you choose inside width from 4 illustrated options( inside ears, even with ears, just outside ears and way outside ears). I choose just outside ears. Step 2, choose where the beams land on the side profile of the deers face if you will( at the eye, half way between the eye and the tip of the nose, at or past the nose). I choose halfway, although not a good side profile pic. Step 3, choose how close the beam tips come from touching looking head on( distance between eyes, width of the head, width of ear tips and way outside ears). I choose width of ear tips. Step 4, choose the antler base measurement(thin 3"+, good 4"+, Outstanding 5"+ or Gigantic 6"+ bases). I choose 4"+ bases. Tines have a 2 inch span. 1-2" covers 1"-2 7/8", 3-4" cover 3"-4 7/8" and so on. So I put on the right 5-6",7-8", 7-8" and on the left the same since he is pretty symetrical. giving me a score of low-actual-high 127- 130 -133
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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So with all those estimations you just did why not estimate the actual way the deer is scored?
In the field I estimate: 1's = ___ 2's = ___ 3's = ___ 4's = ___ Extra = __ MB = ___ Width = ___ H = ___
Then just add it up in your head. Or on the calculator on your phone..
If its definitely a shooter I squeeze the trigger first and go down for actual measurements and high fives second.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: Coach W]
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what if I were to say BW on that buck was 125?
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Im right there with you for sure!
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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The main idea here is to give people a tool that will assist them in making sound management decisions. Granted, if I see a shooter, then he's a shooter and BOOM! Not everyone can look at at deer and say oh he's 145- 150 type deer and this is were this system can help. It isn't intended for trailcam pics because you are so limited in viewing a 360 degree field like you need.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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I still want an explanation on how it works...doesn't work off a picture and doesn't work as a calculator
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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I would say that I gave him to much for tines then!
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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I'm betting so & on the mass. STX, can I guess on that deer?
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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It works off of your judgement. It takes the hardest part of judging a deer out of the equation which is beam length and circumfrence by using simple picture options. By working through the first four steps, a number is produced and then added to what the hunter estimates the tines to be.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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It basically cuts the time in half and doesn't get all scrambled in your head.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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I went back and looked at the tines on that deer and I had put 9-10" for his right G-2 and I looked on the forum and I wrote 7-8", so with what I wrote on here the score is actually 125-128-131. Still high, but it's still in the low range. I was probably a little generous in the brows too, no looking at it.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Well it is basically what I have been using for the last 20 yrs then. I take the bucks killed or from sheds on a particular ranch and average the mainbeams, mass and spread for an avgerage frame score then use that to with the estimated tine length. Gives you a range of 5" + or -. Very fast and accurate for those deer on the same ranch.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: rifleman]
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I'm betting so & on the mass. STX, can I guess on that deer? Fire away.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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Im not scoring that deer because that deer would never be scored using this system. The hunter might drop his phone to pick up his gun/bow, but that would be it. Plus, I would have to kill him just to remove a piece of my fence. We can't let the livestock get out on our lease, so i'de need it to mend our fences.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Yeah kind of the same concept, just with a bigger sample size.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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I'm thinking I'll have one for you to give a waffle on in a cpl months. I think something is going to have to be called gimpy 6/7/8
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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I'm betting so & on the mass. STX, can I guess on that deer? Fire away. 248 +/- 5
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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I'm thinking I'll have one for you to give a waffle on in a cpl months. I think something is going to have to be called gimpy 6/7/8 If If If....
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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I'm betting so & on the mass. STX, can I guess on that deer? Fire away. 248 +/- 5 By my score or the other guys score? Mine you are high
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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I'm thinking I'll have one for you to give a waffle on in a cpl months. I think something is going to have to be called gimpy 6/7/8 If If If.... Na, pretty sure it was him with that pointy head & big white eye rings.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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I'm going with the official other guys gross score
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: rifleman]
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I'm going with the official other guys gross score Well do you want to add in the 2 broken or missing tines also then?
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Sounds very useful interested to see how it works. I used to just take a 160 classic 5x5 muledeer frame and subtract or add depending on what he had extra or less of and can usually get within a few inches from 300 yrds away but there are so many variables in judging some I'm interested in how it handles the variables.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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This is how I do it. If it's a buck I would put on the wall then I try and take him.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/04/12 07:47 PM
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If you purchase this APP, please IM me so I can de-friend you. Oh wait, this isn't Facebook. I have wasted 5 minutes of my life that I will never get back trying to read three pages of nonsense.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Wow that seems a little harsh! If you are an expert scorer than you may be right this may be nonsense to you! But it's meant to be an affective hunting tool to everyone who might benefit from it. It's not a gimic or scheme. It works, it just may not be for you. It's not flashy, hard to use or have extra stuff you'll never use. It's fast, easy, simple to navigate and helps hunters better themselves as scorers.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Wow a lot of scrutiny on a guys good intentions. It received the approval of B&C so they must figure it to be a useful tool. Like he says it may not be useful for everyone, if you are able to score on the hoof within +/- a few inches thats great. But for those who still need assistance with that, then it could prove to be another useful tool for them. It's not even out and so many disbelievers. Variables will affect the results such as entering correct information with the given settings but its still another tool to use if needed. Not everyone see's B&C type bucks on a regular basis so field judging isn't the "norm" as it may be for others. Doubtful everyone here was a pro at field judging since their first ever hunt.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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what if I were to say BW on that buck was 125? So what does that buck score, Rifleman?
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Hell guys we are just talking about an app for your phone. Lighten up a little. I know I might try it. If it helps a little then cool. If it dont, what I have wasted a few $$. Not really a big deal.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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what if I were to say BW on that buck was 125? So what does that buck score, Rifleman? You have to buy that special Rifleman App to get the score
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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That's exactly why I made it into an app because it helped our hunters at our lease lay off deer that weren't what they initially thought. It's an awesome tool to have and I can't wait for deer season to roll around so I can rough score bucks and then check them against the app and see how close I am.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Here ya go sir, now I know exactly what this buck measures, give it a shot with your system.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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I love y'alls since of humor. Man, if I hadn't come up with this system then I would be tearing into some poor guy too! I have bought apps and been like seriously how did this get published? Get your score by entering number of points.....um 10, width.....17,"BAM" 142! What? Or my favorite age by poop! In inches! Umm 4 inches of poop= 3.5yr. What? I can't stand them. I just wanted to build something easy to use, but still handy. Believe me I fully appreciate your disbelief and am glad there are people like me who know enough to doubt things that sound to good to be true.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/04/12 09:34 PM
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Hey at least give it a shot, your not going to find one much easier to score than the one in the pic.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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is there a side profile of that buck?
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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oh im on it if you got a side profile!
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/04/12 09:39 PM
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no i need a side profile picture to know where the beas stop
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/04/12 09:41 PM
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You've got a better picture of him than I did before I took him and I only missed him by three inches.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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And yes if you search long enough you'll see what that buck scored, but you've already taken too much time.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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well then what are we discussing? You shot a deer before you saw the whole antlers and some how managed to get a score that was 3 inches off? Oviously you don't need the app and need to teach seminars to the top deer authorities in the world. It's a system that aides hunters to score deer on the hoof. Having your gun in one hand and the app in the other knowing your gonna shoot the deer defeats the purpose really. I feel like this is a lose-lose for me. A. you seem like someone who would never need this app and B. you are out to prove something. I'll guess from what I see leaving the app out of it 148
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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They take in regional variations for body size also, correct? yes velvet or not angle of deer etc
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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There ya go gang 148 and 3/8ths, Ya think he's right? And he designed the app?
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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no i need a side profile picture to know where the beas stop
www.buckscore.com can do straight on, 1/4 angle, or profile.
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Here ya go sir, now I know exactly what this buck measures, give it a shot with your system. www.buckscore.com came in 165... AND 3/8ths!!!
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You thought what? That you can get the answer to e=mc2 without having the formula and all its parts? You are correct that you don't need the app obviously and that's what you already knew! It's a scoring system that scores deer alive, walking, eating, or whatever they do alive. Not to have a gentlemen hold one pic of a deer in the back of his truck and say here what is it? The side profile shows the deers beam length and therefore is important to the scoring system. I don't know what you were after here but you win! But i can't use the app until i get a side profile, sorry.
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Here ya go sir, now I know exactly what this buck measures, give it a shot with your system. www.buckscore.com came in 165... AND 3/8ths!!! My guess would be 162
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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You and Rex google too dang much
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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I would of guessed high 150's- low 160's but that wouldn't have been as fun as under scoring a deer that this gentlemen obviously was being rude about.
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Nice deer though! Heck of a deer!
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I would of guessed high 150's- low 160's but that wouldn't have been as fun as under scoring a deer that this gentlemen obviously was being rude about. No you guessed high 140's, my work is done here.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/04/12 10:21 PM
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/04/12 10:24 PM
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haha! If I was serious with the 148 then i'm doomed cause that would mean we've got a lease full of 90-120 class bucks and that protein that costs $13 bucks a bag ain't workin!
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06/04/12 10:26 PM
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Yep cause it would prove if his app has merits.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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06/04/12 10:27 PM
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I feel like Obama at a Tea Party rally! I think that the point of this is being overseen with craziness! Does it matter if a 200 deer that weighs 250 walks out what an app says? No we're all shooting it!
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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06/04/12 10:32 PM
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I feel like Obama at a Tea Party rally! I think that the point of this is being overseen with craziness! Does it matter if a 200 deer that weighs 250 walks out what an app says? No we're all shooting it! What if it ain't old enough?
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/04/12 10:33 PM
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06/04/12 10:36 PM
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That would be Gumby's grandson there rifleman.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: stxranchman]
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06/04/12 10:39 PM
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What a toad, I score him as mine!
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/04/12 10:40 PM
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My work here is done!!!! Don't even have to touch that one
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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That would be Gumby's grandson there rifleman.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/04/12 10:54 PM
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That's a big a deer!!!
What exactly is this thing called you are selling? How much does it cost?
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/04/12 11:06 PM
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It is called Antler Metrix. It will be on both iphone and android markets.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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You guys suck!!! No wonder hunting is dying out. We attack our own!!! Good job guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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There's kinks with everything new...trying to help out with QC.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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You guys suck!!! No wonder hunting is dying out. We attack our own!!! Good job guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well help the guy out and buy his app then but pardon me if some of us would like to find out if it's actually worth it. So far he's shown us nothing but don't let that stop you.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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You guys suck!!! No wonder hunting is dying out. We attack our own!!! Good job guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe it is dying out because people are getting thinner skins? FYI, westexbuck seems to be a good sport so far.
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You guys suck!!! No wonder hunting is dying out. We attack our own!!! Good job guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alan Warren did a little piece on how to kill hunting and fishing...... Check it out....you can ind it on his facebook page and I bet you can google it as well.
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You guys suck!!! No wonder hunting is dying out. We attack our own!!! Good job guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! An attack on "you guys" about attacking our own... Ironical ain't it?
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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You guys suck!!! No wonder hunting is dying out. We attack our own!!! Good job guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well help the guy out and buy his app then but pardon me if some of us would like to find out if it's actually worth it. So far he's shown us nothing but don't let that stop you. He told you several times that his program needs a side profile view to work. You didn't provide it, how can you say it doesn't work?
If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/05/12 09:26 AM
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You guys suck!!! No wonder hunting is dying out. We attack our own!!! Good job guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well help the guy out and buy his app then but pardon me if some of us would like to find out if it's actually worth it. So far he's shown us nothing but don't let that stop you. He told you several times that his program needs a side profile view to work. You didn't provide it, how can you say it doesn't work? Well stxranchman gave him everything but a rectal view of that big buck, why didn't he try that one. He was given a perfect chance to demonstrate his product in front of his target market. Wish I would have had the chance to demonstrate my products in front of 40,000 customers at one time instead of spending two years and 100,000 miles going to every TXDOT office in TX. You put a new product on the market your going to get questions and you better be ready to answer them. If you'll listen to the people in the field they'll tell you what they need.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/05/12 12:38 PM
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To be honest, it's hard for me to judge this deer because i've never seen a deer this big in real life. I'll throw a guess at it, but the tine section of this system is up to the hunter to determine and use their best judgement. I'm thinking wow score=HUGE!Plus velvet throws his mass off, but with me guessing on tine length im getting 187-191-196. I wasn't dodging HWY_MAN's deer yesterday, the system has to have all it's parts to work and a side profile is critical in that. I'm not saying I can score any deer on the hoof and nail it's score. If that were true I wouldn't have made an app to aid me and others like me to score deer. The system takes a lot of the guessing out, but you still have to get close with tine length. I enjoy the feedback and discussion. In all honesty the best way to determine if the system is accurate is to see the picture go through the first 4 steps and then put in the deer's actuall tine lengths since the tine section is up to the hunters judgement. Me scoring a deer and it being high or low is due to my poor judgement and not the system. Meaning I need to sharpin up my ol scoring skills and not so much that the app doesn't work.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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06/05/12 12:49 PM
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Take a guess at the deer on the left.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/05/12 01:00 PM
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ok will do. Im at work and it's busy so you'll have to give me a second.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/05/12 01:17 PM
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how can you say it doesn't work? First off neither I or anybody on this thread said the app didn't work, we just gave him an opportunity to show it's function and accuracy. Whats wrong with wanting to see how a product performs before purchasing it?
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: DiverTexas]
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06/05/12 01:17 PM
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/05/12 01:22 PM
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Absolutely nothing! I appreciate the fact people do care enough about hunting and whitetails that they would question something as this.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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06/05/12 01:58 PM
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If I was pushing a product and put it on here, I wouldn't mind feed back and to see what I was going to be up against before I put it on the market...never know, might get some ideas on a way to improve it. Good luck with it westexbuck
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/05/12 02:07 PM
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The buck actually scored 138 3/8. So you were close.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: DiverTexas]
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06/05/12 02:13 PM
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I think i choose the wrong width option because his ears weren't fully erect so choose a narrower option let me see what that scores him at
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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06/05/12 02:17 PM
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/05/12 02:17 PM
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ok with the correct width option we're at 132-135-139
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/05/12 02:19 PM
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yeah thats what got me. when he ran from the feeder he never put his ears up and I should gone with what I saw and not second guessed myself
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/05/12 06:36 PM
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The buck actually scored 138 3/8. So you were close. Actually it was off 10"... With most pay to shoot places 10" could cost you 500-1500 bucks in a trophy fee... That's scary. You stepped up a class from a mid 120 class cull... Into the start of the "trophy deer prices" at most places... I'd say that's a big fail.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/05/12 07:31 PM
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I would agree except, i'm looking on a work computer that only has a freakin like 10" screen from 1815. Again you guys aren't understanding this, your asking me to score deer from all these pictures and videos, then your like ha it doesn't work. This system is meant for hunter's to be able to look at a deer in real life through binoculars or under your tree and follow the steps as they go and get a score. I misscored the deer because I didn't give him the correct width. Is that possible? Yes if you don't pay attention to what the deer is showing you. If you have a deer that walks in and you run through the app and think man he's wider than I originally though, then guess what I had them put back buttons on there so you can rescore the same deer with the different width. You guys are making this like try this one! nope you suck! If your holding the app you can adjust the tines to certain lengths and after you have seen the deer another couple of minutes and your thinking they actually look longer, you can adjust them. I agree with what Coach W is saying 100%, but if I were hunting a place like that i would be darn sure of what i was fixing to shoot and based on the video clip I saw earlier with the deers head down the majority of the time and his ears never fully erect, I wouldn't risk $1500 bucks. The point i'm making is if I was looking at this deer I would have adjusted the width option once I was able to get a view that changed my mind or changing tine length if need be. The app doesn't evaporate as soon as it shows you a final score like the mission impossible phone. You can adjust it until what you see is what you have a score for, whether its the first time through or the fifth.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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06/05/12 07:38 PM
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It sounds like it is a tool that will help, not a do it all app. Still requires guesstimates from the hunter and will have a margin of error. So, from what I am reading, you put in the tine length,width, MB's, and mass and it adds them up? Still sounds like a calculator with direction Westtx...there will always be folks that doubt everything, but I think it is a good idea and would like to actually see how it works. Again, good luck
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06/05/12 07:47 PM
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I think it would be worth giving a shot. How much is the app going to cost?
James
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/05/12 07:50 PM
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It sounds like it is a tool that will help, not a do it all app. Still requires guesstimates from the hunter and will have a margin of error. So, from what I am reading, you put in the tine length,width, MB's, and mass and it adds them up? Still sounds like a calculator with direction Westtx...there will always be folks that doubt everything, but I think it is a good idea and would like to actually see how it works. Again, good luck You don't need it, you'll just photoshop it to your estimates anyway.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: txshntr]
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06/05/12 07:56 PM
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I talked to the developers today almost done still some things there getting ironed out. txhntr I think you will be suprised it's not a calculator. You actually type zero numbers in until you get to the tine length and then it's a scroll down for speed. You can seriously run through it in 5-10 seconds making it possible to adjust as you see diferrent angles of the deer and rescore it.
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[Re: westexbuck]
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06/05/12 07:58 PM
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Not sure on cost yet. Have to see what the developers have to say.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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06/05/12 08:01 PM
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I talked to the developers today almost done still some things there getting ironed out. txhntr I think you will be suprised it's not a calculator. You actually type zero numbers in until you get to the tine length and then it's a scroll down for speed. You can seriously run through it in 5-10 seconds making it possible to adjust as you see diferrent angles of the deer and rescore it. So you type in the tine length and then adjust based on the width and MB length with the information that is provided in the app?
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[Re: rifleman]
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06/05/12 08:05 PM
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It sounds like it is a tool that will help, not a do it all app. Still requires guesstimates from the hunter and will have a margin of error. So, from what I am reading, you put in the tine length,width, MB's, and mass and it adds them up? Still sounds like a calculator with direction Westtx...there will always be folks that doubt everything, but I think it is a good idea and would like to actually see how it works. Again, good luck You don't need it, you'll just photoshop it to your estimates anyway. Dang right I will.
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[Re: txshntr]
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06/05/12 08:11 PM
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that is a darn nice buck ther sir
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: txshntr]
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06/05/12 08:11 PM
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www.buckscore.com you don't have to enter a single measurement! you pick which reference you want to use like eye to eye, eye length, or ear width. you then mark the tines & width, it automatically calculates. If you have to guess any number then your entire result is based on accuracy of that first guess. Buck Score was written by scientists that know different states and parts of the country very closely what the references will measure.
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[Re: westexbuck]
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06/05/12 08:13 PM
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that is a darn nice buck ther sir It is the same buck that is in my sig...on the left. I slightly modified the one I posted But thanks
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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06/05/12 08:14 PM
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you have 4 steps to complete before you add the tines. each step has 2D easily recognizable images with lines indicating antler orientation, with 3-4 options in each step.
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06/05/12 08:17 PM
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www.buckscore.com you don't have to enter a single measurement! you pick which reference you want to use like eye to eye, eye length, or ear width. you then mark the tines & width, it automatically calculates. If you have to guess any number then your entire result is based on accuracy of that first guess. Buck Score was written by scientists that know different states and parts of the country very closely what the references will measure. You should start another thread instead of jumping in on this one. I would be curious to see what the reviews on this are and if it really is accurate within 3% as it claims.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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www.buckscore.com you don't have to enter a single measurement! you pick which reference you want to use like eye to eye, eye length, or ear width. you then mark the tines & width, it automatically calculates. If you have to guess any number then your entire result is based on accuracy of that first guess. Buck Score was written by scientists that know different states and parts of the country very closely what the references will measure. I also don't see where there is an app available for this...did I miss it?
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Buck score isn't an app its a computer program that scores trail cam images. It takes certain measurements from the deers face and head to set the distance away from the camera the deer is then that sets the scale for the measurements that follow. it is really a cool tool for trail cam photos. It isn't an app though. It would be pretty complicated and hard to use without a mouse to move a cursor when tracing the antler measurements.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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That is what I was thinking...pretty tough to carry a computer in the field with me, take a picture, download it, start the program, calculate it, then shoot But I am sure someone is smarter than I am and could come up with a way
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I would be first in line for that!
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Maybe for an Ipad or tablet could it work, but I think that 2"x3" phone screen would be hard to manpulate any kind of cursor.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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How would you get the picture though? Those things don't take the best long distance pictures. And think of the time involved...
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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just call stx!!! you make it so complicated Rex
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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I still say good job !!! It may not be used by field judging pro's but the average joe will probably benefit! Let's commend him taking done initiative and using some creativity, ambition and I'm sure helping hunters. After all that's what THF is all about!!! And just like ole redsnake send out some promotional codes when it's finished so we can review it and help advertise it! At the very very least it'll be fun to play with and master in the stand !
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just call stx!!! you make it so complicated Rex I am just helping him get his post count up And Dr. Waffles would say he was either a 3.5yo or a 5.5yo and scores close to 130" but might go 150"
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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just call stx!!! you make it so complicated Rex I am just helping him get his post count up And Dr. Waffles would say he was either a 3.5yo or a 5.5yo and scores close to 130" but might go 150" and he would probably be right
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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I know this and that's why I came up with Antler Metrix. It's not as easy as download a picture and it scores it by any means, but I think that being the first generation of this type of system it will definetly be judged hard but hopefully people can see the potential it has as a field application.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Most the ones out right now are calculators. I still don't understand what exactly yours does though
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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all kidding to the side.....westexbuck....it seems like everyone is confused with your "product". Unless it is a very simple solution that makes sense and shows a value I think your gonna have a tough sell. I'm not saying that it isn't the next biggest thing but unless people can understand it....it won't fly.
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It is simple to use and believe me I had the same trouble explaining it to the app developers who don't hunt.
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Not saying it doesn't work, just can't understand how it is different than what is out there and how it isn't a calculator...where do the other figures come from? Pre-entered figures based on images?
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Im going to give the best description I can. May take a sec though.
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I think he may be afraid of giving away the secret to his puddin but thats going to keep people away as well.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Step 1) Width: a) a simple picture of a deer facing straight ahead with the inside spread inside the ears, b) same picture with the inside spread at the ear tips, c) same picture with inside spread just outside the ear tips, d) same picture with the inside spread way outside the ear tips. You choose the option that best resembles the buck your looking at.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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It is simple to use and believe me I had the same trouble explaining it to the app developers who don't hunt. the app developers don't hunt? oh my.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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The same goes for steps 1-3( width, beams and beam tips). Step 4, is mass and you choose: a) 3"+ bases, b) 4"+ bases, c) 5"+ bases, d) 6"+ bases
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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You should start another thread instead of jumping in on this one. I would be curious to see what the reviews on this are and if it really is accurate within 3% as it claims. there have been several threads for several years on THF about Buck Score. I just used the beta version over a year ago and I found 5% accuracy at worse, a few times it was better than 1%. I know they have improved it since, but I'm also to the point I don't need an app to judge deer.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Then you select the appropriate tine length for each tine. Say the tine is 5" you select 5-6" and move to the next, if the next tine is 8" you select 7-8". after you put all the tines in you select score and it gives you a low mid and high score meaning your buck sill score between these numbers as long as you gave accurate numbers.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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You should start another thread instead of jumping in on this one. I would be curious to see what the reviews on this are and if it really is accurate within 3% as it claims. there have been several threads for several years on THF about Buck Score. I just used the beta version over a year ago and I found 5% accuracy at worse, a few times it was better than 1%. I know they have improved it since, but I'm also to the point I don't need an app to judge deer. So you can judge them, from a picture to within 1-3% everytime? Impressive...Care to play a game?
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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You are among the few that most look up to. People sometimes need help to get a feel for what they are seeing. For someone as yourself it wouldn't do more than back what you already knew.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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So you can judge them, from a picture to within 1-3% everytime? Impressive...Care to play a game? I didn't say that did I. Two years ago I couldn't judge them to 20%. Playing with Buck Score through the season and more experience elsewhere I got to the point I didn't need it. I don't need to judge deer in the field to 1-3%, I need to know 100-120-140 or THAT THING IS GOING ON MY WALL!
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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now if you could tell me how to find the THAT THING IS GOING ON MY WALL! I would buy one for each day of the week
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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So you can judge them, from a picture to within 1-3% everytime? Impressive...Care to play a game? I didn't say that did I. Two years ago I couldn't judge them to 20%. Playing with Buck Score through the season and more experience elsewhere I got to the point I didn't need it. I don't need to judge deer in the field to 1-3%, I need to know 100-120-140 or THAT THING IS GOING ON MY WALL! 3% on most the deer I hunt is 4" (+/-). I am pretty sure I can get within that range on the deer on the ranch I have been on for years. Problem I have is with the Kansas deer or other new areas that I go to hunt.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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I wasn't trying to bust your balls... Just trying to figure out what this thing is all about. Seems like it gives you a low, avg, and high guestimates... A good hunter shooting for a certain deer should be able to eye ball these estimates. If I were you id make sure I included a disclaimer... I don't want to be sued.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Problem I have is with the Kansas deer or other new areas that I go to hunt. yep, I judged several 115-125 and outfitter seeing my video said they were 130+. at least this year I will have an inventory of game cam pics for a better idea ahead of time. until I get my first Kansas deer on the ground I'm not convinced I'm underscoring them 10-15 inches.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Problem I have is with the Kansas deer or other new areas that I go to hunt. yep, I judged several 115-125 and outfitter seeing my video said they were 130+. at least this year I will have an inventory of game cam pics for a better idea ahead of time. until I get my first Kansas deer on the ground I'm not convinced I'm underscoring them 10-15 inches. x10000 I am the same way. Everyone tells me I am judging them low, but until I see a few hit the ground, I am sticking with my judgement.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Well I just want to help people out. I came up with this system to help the hunters at our lease know what they were looking at and it has really helped end the ooooops! deer. The goal is to look at a deer and know what your looking at, but it's nice to have something to guess and check with.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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For the record, I bout the dang buckscore.com thing and it hasn't got one right yet
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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For the record, I bout the dang buckscore.com thing and it hasn't got one right yet how far is it off? a couple times I had to use a different reference point, ear width or eye to eye usually worked best. also zoom in to be more accurate on the measurements. I would ask you to post one for me to try, but my version is over a year old and dif computer.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Its nice to see some are coming around to this man's product. It seems as it will be a helpful tool to hunters who haven't perfected scoring on the hoof. Myself included, I don't see trophy class bucks on a regular basis to make that judgement with ease. The exceptions are WHOLY $%*! thats a big ^$$ buck. Good job for developing something that average hunters can use to assist them to score a buck. Some good thought was put into it and making it user friendly is a bonus. Depending on the final cost of this app I'm already considering it to help myself become more proficient at scoring in the field rather than from a pic at my computer.
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there's nothing wrong with it if it'll help folks out and make him a little money as well. That will forever be a good concept.
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there's nothing wrong with it if it'll help folks out and make him a little money as well. That will forever be a good concept. there is something wrong with it if the marketing is puffery, it doesn't work, and people lose money.
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If it gets close that's all you can ask; too many variables involved for it to be exact. Ppl have a hard time getting it exact and they can use reasoning and account for some of those variables.
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In my opinion, buck score sucks. I bought it years ago and have tried scoring numbers of bucks I already knew the score too. 3% accuracy is a fairytale.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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For the record, I bout the dang buckscore.com thing and it hasn't got one right yet how far is it off? a couple times I had to use a different reference point, ear width or eye to eye usually worked best. also zoom in to be more accurate on the measurements. I would ask you to post one for me to try, but my version is over a year old and dif computer. Only ran three through it and it was short about 10" on one, 6" on another and over 11" on the last. I will play with it tomorrow to see if I can get better at it
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I'll post up a deer for you to try tomorrow... symmetrical 10 with 1" of cheater, he should be a real easy one.
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Think the accuracy has alot to do with the position of the head on that program
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Think the accuracy has alot to do with the position of the head on that program This just might be sig worthy
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Well I have one of a buck sniffin' the cam if it's that important.
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Think the accuracy has alot to do with the position of the head on that program This just might be sig worthy And I have done so well at staying out of the sigs
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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Only ran three through it and it was short about 10" on one, 6" on another and over 11" on the last. I will play with it tomorrow to see if I can get better at it For someone new to the program that isn't too bad. I would expect better, but that is only 3-7.8% off on 140 deer. junk in junk out. start with good clear picture straight on or quartering (profile doesn't work as good). take your time at first, you will get faster the more you do. zoom in and don't just throw the marks on there, take your time to do accurately. experiment with different references to find which one works better for most of your deer. Your accuracy will improve 2-3% just with attitude adjustment.
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3% +/- really is pretty good on a 120 class deer your looking at 116.4 low end 120 mid and high end 123.6, on a 140 class 135.8 low end 140 mid and high end 144.2, on a 160 class 155.2 low end 160 mid and high end 164.8. 7% +/- on a 120 class is 111.6 low end 120 mid and high end 128.4, on a 140 class 130.2 low end 140 mid and high end 149.8, on a 160 class 148.8 low end 160 mid and high end 171.2. I would like to think that Antler Metrix would be able to beat a 22.4" inch range on a 160 class buck with heck just an average user and that's in the wild, on the hoof and not sitting still smiling for the camera. Call me crazy, but 7% +/- is pretty poor results. If someone said well that deer is going to be a high 140 to low 170 type deer, I would be like wow! Really? So that buck will cost me $4000 up to possibly $12,000? Good deal! I'll just leave the check blank then.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
[Re: westexbuck]
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06/06/12 03:29 PM
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Rob Lay
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3% +/- really is pretty good on a 120 class deer your looking at 116.4 low end 120 mid and high end 123.6, on a 140 class 135.8 low end 140 mid and high end 144.2, on a 160 class 155.2 low end 160 mid and high end 164.8. 7% +/- on a 120 class is 111.6 low end 120 mid and high end 128.4, on a 140 class 130.2 low end 140 mid and high end 149.8, on a 160 class 148.8 low end 160 mid and high end 171.2. I would like to think that Antler Metrix would be able to beat a 22.4" inch range on a 160 class buck with heck just an average user and that's in the wild, on the hoof and not sitting still smiling for the camera. Call me crazy, but 7% +/- is pretty poor results. If someone said well that deer is going to be a high 140 to low 170 type deer, I would be like wow! Really? So that buck will cost me $4000 up to possibly $12,000? Good deal! I'll just leave the check blank then. let's not have double posts and two threads talking about same thing. BuckScore on the other one, your whatever here.
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Re: Accurately Scoring deer on the hoof
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06/06/12 03:37 PM
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westexbuck
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It applied to both! And I believe the last few posts were about buckscore on this one. Sorry, I didn't mean to stomp on toes!
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