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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: Texas Dan]
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05/29/15 07:05 PM
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Stratgolfer
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Only problem we have is some of the booze bottles have been drained this summer without anyone signed in. Our portion of the lease is up for sale so I think we are calling it low priority.
"I was called by the Yorkers a outlaw, and later by the english a rebel" Ethan Allen
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: Texas Dan]
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05/29/15 07:35 PM
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Navasot
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wait did someone bring this back to life or something.... I already responded to this lol glad im consistent
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: Texas Dan]
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05/30/15 05:38 AM
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Mathp
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I brought on 4 hunters in addition to my son and I. We agreed before they signed up that we had our own areas to hunt unless permission was given. I feed protein and corn year round and have spent countless hours cutting shooting lanes, etc. I made the mistake of showing them pics from my TC.
All of a sudden one tells me he shot and missed a deer under my son's feeder. I looked at TC pics and of course it was a buck I passed on for two years and figured he was 3 1/2 and needed more time. Then while corning a shooting lane I found a ground blind and a portable bow blind about 50 yards off of a shooting lane. And of course one of the members sent pics of another very wide buck I had passed on. Of course I can't prove it but where do you think he was when he shot the buck, when his only bow blind was in my pasture?
When I informed him that I did not want him hunting in my pasture and to remove his blinds from my area, he started making arguments why we should change the rules from what we agreed upon when they joined the lease. I had no choice but to be very blunt to get my point across. So now a great lease is tainted and I'm not sure where it will go from here. I am reluctant to go through the process of finding new members again, but it will likely come to that.
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: Mathp]
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05/30/15 05:48 AM
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Shotgun Willie
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When I informed him that I did not want him hunting in my pasture and to remove his blinds from my area, he started making arguments why we should change the rules from what we agreed upon when they joined the lease. We had a guy do that one year, he was a real good friend of mine. Things weren't going his way, so he thought the rules needed revising. I let him know that he was made aware of the rules when he signed up, and he was more than welcome to make up all the rules he wanted on the lease that he was the foreman for. He pulled his stuff off the property and I haven't spoken to him since. Funny thing is, his absence didn't have a negative effect in the slightest. Been running like clockwork ever since. Sometimes you gotta trim the fat.
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: Shotgun Willie]
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05/30/15 12:48 PM
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tlk
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We have community blinds and first come first serve - it works well and allows each hunter to hunt all of the ranch. We also have a clear set of rules that is signed each year prior to the season so there is no backtracking or misunderstandings on what is expected.
As the guy running the lease I spend a lot of time up front before a new member comes on. Meet with them, talk to references, and try to make sure they are a fit for us but also that we are a fit for them. I try to be realistic about what to expect to see when they hunt.
Our group respects each other and we keep drama out of the equation. Last thing any of us want is to get away to the deer lease only to have drama in camp. We share video and information on deer openly without the fear that another hunter will cut your feet out from under you. I also think it is important for the lease boss to pay what everyone else pays and to abide by the rules the same as all other members.
Not perfect but has worked well for our group for 8 years.
You can't fix stupid
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: Texas Dan]
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05/30/15 12:58 PM
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Creekrunner
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The short answer to the question at the top of the resurrected thread: Because you won't do it "their" way. Lots of suggestions come at the lease manager/lead lessee. Not all of them are good or worth changing for.
We have a guy that I know wanting on the lease that we just committed to. He's tolerable, but, due to his occupation, assumes he's the natural-born leader of any group. Because of this, and the fact that his grown son is a screw up and a mean drunk, he will not ever be on this lease while I'm on it.
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: tlk]
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05/30/15 02:03 PM
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DQ Kid
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We have community blinds and first come first serve - it works well and allows each hunter to hunt all of the ranch. We also have a clear set of rules that is signed each year prior to the season so there is no backtracking or misunderstandings on what is expected.
As the guy running the lease I spend a lot of time up front before a new member comes on. Meet with them, talk to references, and try to make sure they are a fit for us but also that we are a fit for them. I try to be realistic about what to expect to see when they hunt.
Our group respects each other and we keep drama out of the equation. Last thing any of us want is to get away to the deer lease only to have drama in camp. We share video and information on deer openly without the fear that another hunter will cut your feet out from under you. I also think it is important for the lease boss to pay what everyone else pays and to abide by the rules the same as all other members.
Not perfect but has worked well for our group for 8 years. This, open blind access with fully understood and agreed upon rules cuts the ambiguity down and gives everyone a fair and equitable chance at the chase. I think a lot of problems occur when hunters feel they are "confined" to only a small piece of acreage pie, "wrong, right or indifferent".
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: Texas Dan]
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05/30/15 02:19 PM
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allterrain
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It sucks when the lease manager makes rules for every one else but rules do not apply to him. Now I am lucky to have been on the same lease for 14 years and have become the lease manager. I have a good group of hunters where we respect each other and take care of our own hunting area and have our own campers to take care of. One advantage that I and the LO have is a yearly contract. In the past there were a couple of hunters that were on a different page from the LO and could not follow common sense policies and respect the few little rules that are in place. LO caught said hunter bringing guests without permission more than once so with the yearly contract we just let the contract expire then inform the hunters that a new contract will not be offered.The hunter that broke the most simple rules then threatened to sue for the money and time he put in to the lease. Idiot and good riddance to knuckle head hunters.
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: allterrain]
#5766315
05/30/15 04:43 PM
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tlk
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It sucks when the lease manager makes rules for every one else but rules do not apply to him. Now I am lucky to have been on the same lease for 14 years and have become the lease manager. I have a good group of hunters where we respect each other and take care of our own hunting area and have our own campers to take care of. One advantage that I and the LO have is a yearly contract. In the past there were a couple of hunters that were on a different page from the LO and could not follow common sense policies and respect the few little rules that are in place. LO caught said hunter bringing guests without permission more than once so with the yearly contract we just let the contract expire then inform the hunters that a new contract will not be offered.The hunter that broke the most simple rules then threatened to sue for the money and time he put in to the lease. Idiot and good riddance to knuckle head hunters. Each member signs our rules and they specifically state there will be no refunds of any kind. Willingly or knowingly breaking rules and you are off lease - pretty straight forward and simple. I will never risk our entire lease agreement with our LO for one person who cannot follow the rules that they clearly know about when they sign on. We have had members ask about adding or deleting certain rules and we always are willing to listen and if it makes sense run it by the LO. For example we initially had no bow hunting at all but have gradually changed to allowing it under certain circumstances.
You can't fix stupid
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: Texas Dan]
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05/30/15 06:15 PM
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blackcoal
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They can be cheaper but I've been hunting in NM for the last 17 years. Now that my son is getting older and wanting to hunt, I had thought about finding a place to take him with me where we can have good mano y mano time. Just don't know if it's worth the hassle or not. I would rather be some place where I know I won't get someone upset because my son is with me. I will see if I can him drawn on a state hunt this year. Any lease that gets upset because someone brings their child is not a lease worth being on. They probably dance naked around the fire and worship the devil. Yes, but some view the lease as a place to "let go" a kid that cannot be controlled at home. True that, or the kid that starts bellyaching about everything. Course some wives and girlfriends fall into this category.
The Greatest Enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.--Stephen Hawking
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: ETXbuckman]
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05/30/15 06:28 PM
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blackcoal
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There is only two of us on this lease and the only grumbling is not getting to go enough or having to leave and come back to work. That one might just take the cake. Yep, too much haggling!!!
The Greatest Enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.--Stephen Hawking
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: COWDOG]
#5766438
05/30/15 06:42 PM
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blackcoal
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I bought a newish Travel trailer last year. It is the �Hilton� compared to everyone�s 80�s era trailers. I guess when im not there they make them selves at home and track mud for me to clean up when I get the chance to come down.
Gets old but I really don�t care� my mind set changes as soon as I pull in the gate.
I did make some new rules
1. Leave it like you found it 2. No rocking an deuces in the bath room PERIOD 3. No rocking your old lady in my bed
So far so good�Although I can�t verify rule number 3� Security cam, live feed !!! 
The Greatest Enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.--Stephen Hawking
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: Stump_jumper]
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05/30/15 06:43 PM
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blackcoal
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We have few problems with the 8-9 that we have with the exception of one. The one never comes out without the wife and young kids. Not a problem except they take over the cabin. I get back from hunting and I want to cook breakfast and get whatever chores need down before the mid day or evening hunts. She is always in there cooking and the kids are hogging the TV and table. They have a trailer and do not sleep in the cabin like the rest of us. Also, she will run on the lease roads. She wears the pants in the family and the dad has no control over her or the kids. On top of this these people have money and we have to listen about complaints about nannies and such. Sounds like this gal runs the cabin and the lease??
The Greatest Enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.--Stephen Hawking
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: Texas Dan]
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05/31/15 12:50 AM
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spg
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The guy that only provides a gun and truck for himself to hunt, provides no stands, no work, etc.
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: Texas Dan]
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05/31/15 02:53 AM
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Simple Searcher
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My biggest issues with leases: Everyone knows more than everyone else, and everyone thinks that they should be in charge because everyone else is an idiot. Everyone thinks thinks they are doing more to improve the lease and doing more chores than everyone else.
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: Simple Searcher]
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05/31/15 03:12 AM
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tlk
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My biggest issues with leases: Everyone knows more than everyone else, and everyone thinks that they should be in charge because everyone else is an idiot. Everyone thinks thinks they are doing more to improve the lease and doing more chores than everyone else. Does not have to be that way - get the right hunters, have defined guidelines, show common respect and it can be good for all - we have done it for 8 years and have a great time and great hunting. Put one person in charge and either the other hunters agree or they don't - if they don't then go somewhere else to hunt - use common sense
You can't fix stupid
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: rifleman]
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05/31/15 03:48 AM
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rifleman
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me always killing the big one..... Just to reiterate...^^^ It's already the cause of grumbling for the 2015-2016 season bc "someone" knows a certain wide deer won't just get its pics taken by me this year. Already bad mouthing me to my kids, telling them how mean and hateful I am.......
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: Texas Dan]
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06/01/15 01:21 PM
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bigjoe8565
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I'm lucky to be on a lease with a good group of guys. My only complaint is member is more into bird hunting and wants to hunt the entire lease vs. his section. We've straightened him up and he still whines a bit, but he's come around to our way of thinking.
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: rifleman]
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06/01/15 02:00 PM
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Erathkid
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me always killing the big one..... Just to reiterate...^^^ It's already the cause of grumbling for the 2015-2016 season bc "someone" knows a certain wide deer won't just get its pics taken by me this year. Already bad mouthing me to my kids, telling them how mean and hateful I am....... Hmmm. I wonder who"someone" is? Let me guess.  Hahahaha
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: Texas Dan]
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06/01/15 03:08 PM
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rifleman
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Yes. If that deer looks like I hope it does then she'll just have to forgive me.
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: DQ Kid]
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06/01/15 03:57 PM
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passthru
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We have community blinds and first come first serve - it works well and allows each hunter to hunt all of the ranch. We also have a clear set of rules that is signed each year prior to the season so there is no backtracking or misunderstandings on what is expected.
As the guy running the lease I spend a lot of time up front before a new member comes on. Meet with them, talk to references, and try to make sure they are a fit for us but also that we are a fit for them. I try to be realistic about what to expect to see when they hunt.
Our group respects each other and we keep drama out of the equation. Last thing any of us want is to get away to the deer lease only to have drama in camp. We share video and information on deer openly without the fear that another hunter will cut your feet out from under you. I also think it is important for the lease boss to pay what everyone else pays and to abide by the rules the same as all other members.
Not perfect but has worked well for our group for 8 years. This, open blind access with fully understood and agreed upon rules cuts the ambiguity down and gives everyone a fair and equitable chance at the chase. I think a lot of problems occur when hunters feel they are "confined" to only a small piece of acreage pie, "wrong, right or indifferent". It would be if every stand/feeder set up were created equally. But they aren't. I was on a community lease where each member had a location they were responsible for maintaining. Each location is used on a first come first serve basis. I had three stands and two feeders (throwing 300 lbs each every 3 months) set up (two bow and one rifle) and going year round. The guy who used it the most barely got corn going before season at the set up he maintained. Feeder throwing 3 seconds twice a day. One pop up set up that only worked with a north wind and no one wanted to hunt that set up. Second issue is work. Some members have the time and wanna to go to the lease and work on things that need attention or to just improve things for the lease experience. Others don't. But they don't mind enjoying the fruits of others labor. Personally I like having my own area with reasonable restrictions on how far I need to be from another hunter's set up. If I wish to hunt in another area occasionally it is up to me to cultivate relationships with my fellow lease members and possibly create a reciprocal use agreement with them. Fortunately this lease I'm on has the best of both worlds. Individual areas with some family/community set ups as well. I don't know that I would go back to a community stand set up again.
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: huntincoach]
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06/02/15 01:52 PM
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Curtis
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Gonna have to just get over that one. Especially with cattle prices as high as they are right now. a 500 lb steer will bring easily $1000-1300, maybe more right now. It used to be different when cattle prices were sixty cents to the pound. Farmers and ranchers needed the money from hunting. But with the way it is right now they really don't need it at as much if they have cattle.
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: passthru]
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06/02/15 01:55 PM
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tlk
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We have community blinds and first come first serve - it works well and allows each hunter to hunt all of the ranch. We also have a clear set of rules that is signed each year prior to the season so there is no backtracking or misunderstandings on what is expected.
As the guy running the lease I spend a lot of time up front before a new member comes on. Meet with them, talk to references, and try to make sure they are a fit for us but also that we are a fit for them. I try to be realistic about what to expect to see when they hunt.
Our group respects each other and we keep drama out of the equation. Last thing any of us want is to get away to the deer lease only to have drama in camp. We share video and information on deer openly without the fear that another hunter will cut your feet out from under you. I also think it is important for the lease boss to pay what everyone else pays and to abide by the rules the same as all other members.
Not perfect but has worked well for our group for 8 years. This, open blind access with fully understood and agreed upon rules cuts the ambiguity down and gives everyone a fair and equitable chance at the chase. I think a lot of problems occur when hunters feel they are "confined" to only a small piece of acreage pie, "wrong, right or indifferent". It would be if every stand/feeder set up were created equally. But they aren't. I was on a community lease where each member had a location they were responsible for maintaining. Each location is used on a first come first serve basis. I had three stands and two feeders (throwing 300 lbs each every 3 months) set up (two bow and one rifle) and going year round. The guy who used it the most barely got corn going before season at the set up he maintained. Feeder throwing 3 seconds twice a day. One pop up set up that only worked with a north wind and no one wanted to hunt that set up. Second issue is work. Some members have the time and wanna to go to the lease and work on things that need attention or to just improve things for the lease experience. Others don't. But they don't mind enjoying the fruits of others labor. Personally I like having my own area with reasonable restrictions on how far I need to be from another hunter's set up. If I wish to hunt in another area occasionally it is up to me to cultivate relationships with my fellow lease members and possibly create a reciprocal use agreement with them. Fortunately this lease I'm on has the best of both worlds. Individual areas with some family/community set ups as well. I don't know that I would go back to a community stand set up again. To me the issue above was that each member was assigned an area to keep up with. That alone seems to lend itself to the hunters taking "ownership" of a stand or area. Any lease out there will have members who are willing to work and those who don't. I for one would get really tired of seeing and hunting the same area over and over. Just my thoughts
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: Texas Dan]
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06/02/15 02:01 PM
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titan2232
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This will be my first year dealing with a lot of non-family hunters, but I would think having your "own" spot to keep up with and hunt from would have the least issues. We set up our own equipment (pens, feeders, cameras, and stand) so there should be little problems if you stay at your spot.
Discussions on moving to another location should be made after the season IMO.
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Re: What's the #1 cause of member grumbling on your lease?
[Re: Texas Dan]
#5770415
06/02/15 04:46 PM
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QuitShootinYoungBucks
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My dad keeps making comments about me killing the 'big ones'. Well, he shot one 3.5 yr old 120" deer that I had seen and TOLD HIM SPECIFICALLY NOT TO SHOOT, and then he did it again two years later. Also, I give him the pick of the stands, I can't help it if the mature buck shows up at the stand I am hunting. Once, he even told me 'You should hunt stand X', and sure enough, big boy 6.5 yr old shows up at stand X right on cue that morning.
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