I doubt anybody gives a d*** about d***ed Belguim! We The People!

You should go back to your xbox

Chital-

Your are a very smart kid, with above average intellect... So do not degrade your self and up bringing with words that make you look a fool..its pointless and uncalled for..

By using those words you destroy any point your trying to make, and no one will ever think of you as nothing but a smart arse kid..

It's a discussion so disagree or agree...but don't ruin any respect you have earned with childish cuss words.

My 2cents.

Those Belgium's are pretty darn good weapon manufacturers, they are the parent company to FNH USA which makes a darn good portion of the US military's small arms. They just so happen to own Winchester and Browning as well.

And as far as the .30-06 being pretty old and efficient it is as is the equally as old or older .303 Brit or 6.5x55 Swed. that are still used quite a bit these days too.

Great round, can be handloaded to just about .300 win mag factory Ammo levels or shot with much milder loads as in factory fodder! Factory ammo for the 06 is a little watered down to many old rifles still in use!

some of the finest rifles i've ever handled were made in belguim.

Yup, like Bobo says. We wanna raise you right.


Keep the shiny side up!

Yeah, I shouldn't have said that. Sorry. I just don't like that people are comparing the American 30-06 with Mauser, Belguim, and Germany. Please American calibers only. Only reason......

I agree, shouldn't have said what I said

Chital, It is obvious that your passion outweighs your knowledge of where and when certain calibers and weapons were invented and why.

For a little more knowledge than you have now I suggest that you find a copy of a book called "Mr Rifleman", written by Colonel Townsend Whelen and Bradford Angier, and published by Deseret News Press in 1965.

This book will help you understand where and how the Springfield 30 Cal Gov 1906 came to be. Colonel Whelen was a guiding light in the development of the 30'06 from it's inception, the initial rejection by the US Army and the War Department in 1903, and the eventual acceptance of the highly modified 1906 version, plus the ongoing modifications that became obvious and necessary after the 30'06 became the standard line rifle of the US Army and it's inferior standing when compared the M98 Mauser that had had the benefit of several wars of battlefield testing before we entered WW I. The book will also outline the reasons why the contract for a replacement of the Army's standard rifle as of about 1895 was deemed necessary and outline the deficiencies of the 30-40 Krag black powder rifle that got so many US troops killed by the Spanish 7x57 Mausers with it's 4th generation of smokeless powder ammunition in the Spanish American War of 1899, how the Springfield Armory attempted to address those deficiencies, the trials and failures of the early Springfield Armory 30'03 and 30'06 rifles, and the changes made to correct those failures.

FYI Colonel Whelen was also insturmental in the development of smokeless powder from a single base extruded powder to a multi base nitrocellulose flake,and later a ball powder, and the original development and acceptance of non corrosive primers by the US Army.

If you want to learn more about what a lot of us are passionate about, and gain knowledge from me and others who are even more knowledgeable than I am, or those folks who are willing to pass along personal experiences, and frequent this and several other 'net outlets I can direct you to, you will have to learn to use the 2 eyes and 2 ears God gave you to learn with and shut the single mouth that you just have used to embarrass your self with.

People and responses like your's tonite are why I no longer offer personal knowledge very often that I have spent the last 50 years collecting, including 13 years working professionally in the Firearms Industry.

I wish you well...but you need to grow up and re read what you are complaining about before you write more of the kind of language you wrote to me. Have a nice life.
Ron

Might want to read a little history bud the famed 30-06 first appeared in a Rifle the US had to pay Mauser royalty's on the design for (1903 Springfield). Also Belgium didn't start out building weapons for Nazi Germany they started after they occupied Belgium then took over the FN plant.

The Europeans have contributed far more to our firearms industry than we have contributed to theirs.
Even our beloved 30-06 was our response to the Germans 8mm which was kicking our butts ballistically.
When they fielded I beleive a 154 grain bullet at 2700fps we had nothing to to compete with it.
The 30-40 Krag was a weak second.
The 30-06 equaled or even bettered the German round and then went on to become arguably the greatest civilian hunting round ever developed.
My history is not what it could be so don't quote me please, but I do know for a fact that much of what we are shooting even today owes its roots to firearms developed across the sea.

A little different history that FN is a huge part of. The Browning Brothers primarly lead by John, who was quite possibly the greatest firearms designer in history and certianly one of the most prolific. If the history I have read serves correctly the Browning brothers started making muzzle loaders, then John designed and they started building the Browning 78. A falling block action that became the Winchester 1885 Highwall, after selling the patent to Winchester a long string of fine arms were then developed by John Browning with Winchester buying the patents.

That relationship came to an end when instead of selling the patent to the Auto-5 to Winchester Browning wanted royalties to the gun and Winchester acuatomed to getting his designs outright said no. Browning wound up getting into an agreement with FN for the production of that shotgun and it was sold under the Browning name. Other designs followed and at some point FN aquired the Browning company.

Now fast forward.... FN purchased Winchester and some years later closed the doors on the manufacturing facility in Newhaven, and now sells Winchesters manufactured in the FN owned FNUSA facility and some that are made in Japan where they had moved the manufacture of Brownings to.

Ironic that the company that made tons off the Browning patents they bought would one day be owned and closed down by the comapany that would give Mr. John Moses Browning what he wanted.

That's why folks should stick with Remington

chital shicari ,were all tired of your bull @#$^ ,go sneek a beer at arkys and shut up

best hunting round for North America, other than dangerous game a good choice for Africa.....

I'd gladly take an FN built rifle over a Remington, overall fit and finish is better and you get an accuracy guarantee.

fully agree with you Dee.

I'm not there yet but I agree the FN built winny's are excellent.

I dunno too much about Mauser and FN but out of the little Call of Duty games I would pick the FN FAL.

The FN FAL is kinda like a refined AK it's just as reliable a little more accurate and fires a better round.

I know

No you dont

Thank you, brain